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By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

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Last year wasn't that bad and we still made the playoffs with a rookie qb. The year before with Cam was bad, in fact I remember two Cam late turnovers that cost us games. I'm not sure how you can blame coaches if players fumble like Agholor did two times this year. Hopefully, we cut down on these and if we do, we'll have a chance to win.
More evidence of poor coaching by this team. They've gotten worse at ST and they were pretty bad last season. It's been a constant theme the last 3 seasons. Unless we just want to blame the players, every single one of which were hand picked by Bill. Either way, Bill is slipping.

 
I thought the Rams were badly coached last year too. Everyone I watched the SB with last year thought it was a stinker. Total lack of hitting.
Interesting. What did everyone you watched the WC game think of that one, with the total lack of punting.
 
According to Greg Bedard's analysis, only the last interception was Mac's fault. The first one he blamed on the play call -- play-action on second and seven, linebackers disregarded the fake and immediately dropped into coverage; Mac had nowhere else to go with the ball and forced it. The second (in end zone) he put on Parker not adjusting to coverage (Mac blew his top at Parker on the sideline afterward).
Now i understand why everyone is upset with BB, we could have had Bedard as our OC instead of MP.
 
Now i understand why everyone is upset with BB, we could have had Bedard as our OC instead of MP.

Bedard's explanations make sense on what happened with those interceptions, especially re. Mac blowing his top on the sideline at Parker.
 
More evidence of poor coaching by this team. They've gotten worse at ST and they were pretty bad last season. It's been a constant theme the last 3 seasons. Unless we just want to blame the players, every single one of which were hand picked by Bill. Either way, Bill is slipping.

Interesting. What did everyone you watched the WC game think of that one, with the total lack of punting.

You've got other things to worry about ...

 
He won the super bowl last year. That’s pretty impressive. He also won a super bowl with the same quarterback that Patricia couldn’t win with

It was a completely different team, and one with a lot more talent, but don't let that basic truth stop you from posting something as ridiculous as "He won with that QB!".


You know, I get that you want to troll. I also get that there is plenty to bag on Patricia about with regards to this offense. But, given that pairing, why the hell did you go to what's probably the lamest available avenue for trolling?
 
I thought of you being depressed over the Tampa loss.
Tampa didn't lose the WC game but it's ok if you don't want to answer the ? since it doesn't fit your narrative.
 
You've got other things to worry about ...

I don't worry about the results of of teams I don't follow. I'm a Pats fan and pretty dissapointed in our teams performance: many mistakes in all 3 phases of the game. Sorry but this is a poorly coached team. Very un-Patriot like.
 
I don't worry about the results of of teams I don't follow. I'm a Pats fan and pretty dissapointed in our teams performance: many mistakes in all 3 phases of the game. Sorry but this is a poorly coached team. Very un-Patriot like.

You don't follow and root for the Buccaneers? OK, what happened to @venecol -- you know, that guy who regularly frequents Lord Dis Array's Tampa Bay fan thread.
 
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You don't follow and root for the Buccaneers? OK, what happened to @venecol -- you know, that guy who regularly frequents Lord Dis Array's Tampa Bay thread.
Are you talking about the thread where you are top 10 poster? You tell me.
 
Someone show me evidence that this is all Patricia's fault? There are plenty of examples that we've all seen that show Mac Jones is making the wrong reads/throws and causing turnovers.

I'd love to be shown examples of Patricia's catastrophic playcalling.... I will, however, admit that I think he needs to get his head out his *** when it comes to Kendrick Bourne, who has seized every opportunity he's been given this year. get him on the field.
It's been talked about by every Patriots journalist this week. Radio / TV / Articles..... If you don't bother to look for it that's on you. Here's ex-Patriot Ted Johnson talking / diagraming some of the bad play calls.



Here's Fauria talking about how a lot what's happening with Mac falls on the coaches


Bedard

 
Are you talking about the thread where you are top 10 poster? You tell me.

Heh, no way my ombudsman duties there put me in the top 10. Top 25, maybe. But since you're dodging the question it's fair to conclude you bleed pewter and red.
 
Tampa didn't lose the WC game but it's ok if you don't want to answer the ? since it doesn't fit your narrative.
What narrative?

I'm fine with my 6 Super Bowl victories. I can put on my big boy pants without crying about a playoff loss during a rebuild. I was shocked we were even IN in the playoffs last year. But I'm a huge Patriots fan.
 
So, what happens if the Pats wind up beating Green Bay with Matt Patricia calling the shots and Brian Hoyer?

I recall watching Hoyer playing for the Browns many moons ago and he was not all that bad. This team has plenty of talent on it to win and not just against the slugs of the NFL like last season.
 
From Phil Perry (is he a clickbating media whore?).

"The circumstances at the moment aren't ideal, and it's worth looking at the coaching situation to see how much they're doing to help Jones develop.

The Patriots are at the bottom of the league when it comes to using quarterback-friendly concepts like play-action passes and run-pass option calls. They're last in play-action pass percentage this season (10.8 percent of Jones' throws) despite the fact that Jones is a top-10 quarterback when it comes to his yards-per-attempt figure when using play-action (9.8, 9th), according to Pro Football Focus. RPOs were a part of the plan in Week 2 -- Jones pushed for those to be incorporated into the offense in 2022 -- but he still hasn't thrown an RPO pass just yet, per Pro Football Reference.

How the staff has prepared Jones and the rest of the offense for opposing blitz packages is worthwhile, too. Last year, the rookie had a rating of 87.6 against the blitz, according to PFF. Jones had an adjusted completion percentage of 73.6 and a 7-to-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing 16 sacks on 196 blitzes faced (8 percent) in 2021. This year, Jones is last in the NFL with a 32.3 rating against the blitz. He has an adjusted completion percentage of 50.0 and a 0-to-3 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing four sacks on 31 blitzes faced (13 percent).

Taking a closer look at how Jones has been protected, he's faced pressure on at least 30 percent of his dropbacks -- blitzed or not -- in each of the last two games. Jones faced that much pressure in six games last season, four of which came with starting right tackle Trent Brown (now starting at left tackle) out injured. Jones left his Week 1 game in Miami this year with a back injury after taking a violent hit when faced with an all-out blitz. Jones left his Week 3 game with the Ravens with an ankle injury that could threaten his availability for Week 4 and beyond.

Jones is currently last in the NFL in quarterback rating across situations (76.2) due in large part to his league-leading five interceptions. But are those turnovers just the cost of doing business in an offense that has a "different philosophy," as Jones explained when detailing his Week 2 interception in Pittsburgh?

That change in philosophy is clear. Jones is third in the NFL this season in average depth of target (10.4 yards) and leads the NFL in yards on deep passes that have traveled at least 20 yards or more (309 yards). But to what end? In targeting the team's No. 1 down-the-field option DeVante Parker -- whose deep-threat role is about as well-defined as any wideout in the league -- Jones has now been picked off four times.

There's a give and take there that Jones alluded to earlier this week when I asked him about the emphasis on deep attempts this season.

"I think explosive plays are always good," Jones said. "I think a lot of the really good teams in the NFL make explosive plays. Just being able to do that and then also hold on to the ball and have a fine line between the two I think is really important."

But there are fair questions to be asked as to whether or not the personnel usage by the coaching staff has supported Jones sufficiently. Kendrick Bourne has found himself at the bottom of the receiver depth chart despite some advanced metrics suggesting he's one of the most underrated receivers in football. Patriots tight ends Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry have disappeared from a production standpoint.

And there are moments -- whether there's a player at the line of scrimmage who doesn't understand an audible, or ball-security problems (they're second-to-last in the NFL in giveaways with eight) -- when it's clear there's a lack of attention to detail on that side of the ball."

 
Agree. Production from the offense was fine. They showed improvement and lets be honest, BALs D is not very good but whatever.

Just bad, bad, bad mistakes at the worst possible times.
I thought Mac's arm looks weaker this year. There were some plays against the Ravens where he could have made it if he had more zip on the ball. Mac is just making dumb decisions, not sure why.
 
From Phil Perry (is he a clickbating media whore?).

"The circumstances at the moment aren't ideal, and it's worth looking at the coaching situation to see how much they're doing to help Jones develop.

The Patriots are at the bottom of the league when it comes to using quarterback-friendly concepts like play-action passes and run-pass option calls. They're last in play-action pass percentage this season (10.8 percent of Jones' throws) despite the fact that Jones is a top-10 quarterback when it comes to his yards-per-attempt figure when using play-action (9.8, 9th), according to Pro Football Focus. RPOs were a part of the plan in Week 2 -- Jones pushed for those to be incorporated into the offense in 2022 -- but he still hasn't thrown an RPO pass just yet, per Pro Football Reference.

How the staff has prepared Jones and the rest of the offense for opposing blitz packages is worthwhile, too. Last year, the rookie had a rating of 87.6 against the blitz, according to PFF. Jones had an adjusted completion percentage of 73.6 and a 7-to-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing 16 sacks on 196 blitzes faced (8 percent) in 2021. This year, Jones is last in the NFL with a 32.3 rating against the blitz. He has an adjusted completion percentage of 50.0 and a 0-to-3 touchdown-to-interception ratio, absorbing four sacks on 31 blitzes faced (13 percent).

Taking a closer look at how Jones has been protected, he's faced pressure on at least 30 percent of his dropbacks -- blitzed or not -- in each of the last two games. Jones faced that much pressure in six games last season, four of which came with starting right tackle Trent Brown (now starting at left tackle) out injured. Jones left his Week 1 game in Miami this year with a back injury after taking a violent hit when faced with an all-out blitz. Jones left his Week 3 game with the Ravens with an ankle injury that could threaten his availability for Week 4 and beyond.

Jones is currently last in the NFL in quarterback rating across situations (76.2) due in large part to his league-leading five interceptions. But are those turnovers just the cost of doing business in an offense that has a "different philosophy," as Jones explained when detailing his Week 2 interception in Pittsburgh?

That change in philosophy is clear. Jones is third in the NFL this season in average depth of target (10.4 yards) and leads the NFL in yards on deep passes that have traveled at least 20 yards or more (309 yards). But to what end? In targeting the team's No. 1 down-the-field option DeVante Parker -- whose deep-threat role is about as well-defined as any wideout in the league -- Jones has now been picked off four times.

There's a give and take there that Jones alluded to earlier this week when I asked him about the emphasis on deep attempts this season.

"I think explosive plays are always good," Jones said. "I think a lot of the really good teams in the NFL make explosive plays. Just being able to do that and then also hold on to the ball and have a fine line between the two I think is really important."

But there are fair questions to be asked as to whether or not the personnel usage by the coaching staff has supported Jones sufficiently. Kendrick Bourne has found himself at the bottom of the receiver depth chart despite some advanced metrics suggesting he's one of the most underrated receivers in football. Patriots tight ends Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry have disappeared from a production standpoint.

And there are moments -- whether there's a player at the line of scrimmage who doesn't understand an audible, or ball-security problems (they're second-to-last in the NFL in giveaways with eight) -- when it's clear there's a lack of attention to detail on that side of the ball."

Phil Perry is pretty far from a click baiter or sh*t disturber. He’s one of the best football journalists out there.

He’s not the only one pointing out what you posted. There’s no way Mac just regressed this much on his own. Last in the league in QB rating. No way Patricia and Judge should be leading Macs development.
 
So, what happens if the Pats wind up beating Green Bay with Matt Patricia calling the shots and Brian Hoyer?
I have a better chance of winning the lottery next week. But let's revisit this question if that unlikely event happens! LOL
 
Phil Perry is pretty far from a click baiter or sh*t disturber. He’s one of the best football journalists out there.

He’s not the only one pointing out what you posted. There’s no way Mac just regressed this much on his own. Last in the league in QB rating. No way Patricia and Judge should be leading Macs development.

Feels more likely that they are behind his regression. A lot of people were concerned that Mac wasn't getting the proper coaching support in a very important year 2 that could have spurred on his development. Instead he has Matt Patricia, a defensive coach for 15 years, calling offensive plays, and a 'QB Whisperer' in Joe Judge who led the Giants to the 31st offensive ranking 2 years in a row, hint there are only 32 teams in the NFL so that's pretty damn awful!
 
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