Ringer Article: Will Bill Belichick’s Big Coaching Gamble Backfire?

[Zuma]

Backfire

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Pats have used zone blocking schemes in the past. Are you saying they can't do that again?

Clearly something isn't working. They've used it in the past, but not exclusively like they were/are trying to do (supposedly). And the O-line isn't built for it. They are better as a gap/power team.

I was all for the change, but you need to have the right teachers and players if you want to run it effectively.

 

[All3Phases]

I don't think they've gone all in on a new scheme, and we won't see much zone blocking unless they start practicing it better.

Agree there

They can run a similar scheme from last year with new verbiage and be just fine, they were fine in the preseason. The offense should look like those 2010-2012 offenses with Hernandez.

This would be a leap imo. That’s asking a lot of this group. That era had totally different personnel then this group from a skill set POV. This team is missing a HOF caliber slot receiver, a HOF TE and a HOF QB, other than that, I know you will make the Jonnu and Hernandez comparison, but id say thats a leap as well

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, it will backfire.

Imagine teaching people about something you don't have any experience with?

They have run these concepts for many years. It isn’t rocket science. Anything done on a football field can be seen on film.

 

[Ring 6]

Clearly something isn't working. They've used it in the past, but not exclusively like they were/are trying to do (supposedly). And the O-line isn't built for it. They are better as a gap/power team.

I was all for the change, but you need to have the right teachers and players if you want to run it effectively.

How can anything be clear before playing a single game?

 

[Pats1971]

I don't think they've gone all in on a new scheme, and we won't see much zone blocking unless they start practicing it better.

They can run a similar scheme from last year with new verbiage and be just fine, they were fine in the preseason. The offense should look like those 2010-2012 offenses with Hernandez.

Yeah this offense is not going to look like it did when hernandez was here, mainly because the talent here is not what it was then. If all it took was a scheme then the worst offense in football could run a scheme and be great, you have to have the players to make anything work, if you dont, it wont.

 

[PATS16N0]

We’re already a few years deep into a backfire, if you didn’t notice.

 

[Pats2000]

Clearly something isn't working. They've used it in the past, but not exclusively like they were/are trying to do (supposedly). And the O-line isn't built for it. They are better as a gap/power team.

I was all for the change, but you need to have the right teachers and players if you want to run it effectively.

It's the totality of installing the new offensive language. Running the zone blocking and getting everyone in the same page. They will have something worked out by September

 

[PScottman]

not exclusively

Exclusively means every running play based on the zone concept. The Patriots have not (and haven't even hinted at) run zone concepts exclusively.

 

[TomPatriot]

Exclusively means every running play based on the zone concept. The Patriots have not (and haven't even hinted at) run zone concepts exclusively.

Exclusively? Never. But they zone blocked a lot in the early SB years when Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal were on the OL.

 

[All3Phases]

They have run these concepts for many years. It isn’t rocket science. Anything done on a football field can be seen on film.

Edelman said he went to practice and didn’t recognize much, and wasn’t familiar with concepts they were running. If “they” is the league, then sure…but not them.

 

[Ring 6]

Edelman said he went to practice and didn’t recognize much, and wasn’t familiar with concepts they were running. If “they” is the league, then sure…but not them.

Watch the games.

 

[All3Phases]

Watch the games.

Tell that to Julian

 

[State]

The offense would improve running more gap blocking. When a team has Onwenu why the hell wouldn’t you? He’s the anti-Stephen Neal at RG.

When Andruzzi was playing RG we power gaped like methheads on a midnight stroll. That is to say a lot.

 

[Ring 6]

Tell that to Julian

Don’t need to, I have eyes.

 

[All3Phases]

Don’t need to, I have eyes.

Not sure what that has to do with a receiver who was here for over a decade saying he doesnt recognize many of the concepts theyre practicing

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure what that has to do with a receiver who was here for over a decade saying he doesnt recognize many of the concepts theyre practicing

Here is his actual comment
A lot of them are very vanilla, which is very procedural with preseason, they want to throw vanilla stuff out there and see mano-y-mano can the kid get open, can he make the catch. Let’s not try to scheme anything up. Those are things I’ve never seen, and it’s going to be interesting.”

 

[All3Phases]

Here is his actual comment
A lot of them are very vanilla, which is very procedural with preseason, they want to throw vanilla stuff out there and see mano-y-mano can the kid get open, can he make the catch. Let’s not try to scheme anything up. Those are things I’ve never seen, and it’s going to be interesting.”

No, heres his actual quote "I went to a practice recently, the joint practice with (Las Vegas) and New England, and I saw a lot of concepts that I didn't really recognize. So it looks potentially like they could be trying to trickle in some of this West Coast Flair"

Again, because it looks the same to you on TV, doesnt mean it is

 

[Ring 6]

No, heres his actual quote "I went to a practice recently, the joint practice with (Las Vegas) and New England, and I saw a lot of concepts that I didn't really recognize. So it looks potentially like they could be trying to trickle in some of this West Coast Flair"

No game planning, trickle in, yada yada
As I have been telling you for months, the offense will be the same it has been for 20 years with the typical variations they make every season. You se to want to die on that hill a few days before the proof is on film. I guess it’s your last chance.

 

[All3Phases]

No game planning, trickle in, yada yada
As I have been telling you for months, the offense will be the same it has been for 20 years with the typical variations they make every season. You se to want to die on that hill a few days before the proof is on film. I guess it’s your last chance.

You and I never disagreed that the offense will mainly be the same...I said the difference this year was the streamlining of the verbiage and simplifying, which hasnt happened before (New coaches) and that they're adding in a new scheme, which they havent done in at least this decade. Thats two things that arent done every season. Nothing I have said has been wrong, you keep spinning it to say its the same as every year, except all the players are telling you its different, along with everybody who has watched practice.

If you know the scheme better than Edelman, then god bless you