Pats Rebuild Intermittent View of Progress

[Boomer B]

Mac Jones is the greatest QB talent this franchise has ever had, and we were fortunate enough for him to fall into our lap without trading a single thing for him.

Yet people are still doubting the kid.

Doubt the 85th best player in the entire league after only his rookie season at your own peril.

You’re either from Alabama or in need of help

 

[BB8XSBW]

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You’re either from Alabama or in need of help

I'm sorry if the truth is uncomfortable for you.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

For a narrative to be spread through local Boston sports radio would be held in a court of law as evidence that it more than likely not true.
If that's your source for Pats information, everything you say should be considered 180 degrees wrong.
We'll never know what was really going on for all those actors involved in the Brady decisions. NEVER. Because even years from now, if/when they start to talk about it, it'll be through their own normal human self-delusions and time will have eroded even that much.

Well first off sports local radio is not just hosts speaking from opinions for ratings. Theses are reports coming back from reporters in the lock room. You gonna tell me someone like Tom Curran isn't reliable now?

Well we may never know the full true, but there's enough reports and stories out there that you can safely say the head coach didn't want the QB back..

 

[Boomer B]

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I'm sorry if the truth is uncomfortable for you.

Are you related to MAC10?

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Yeah and I don’t think there was really an alternative to picking Mac at 15 anyway. Pats needed a QB and Mac was theirs for free. He was the guy no matter how it turns out.

Picking Mills in the first round wouldn’t have quite been a Jordan Richards type of reach but it wouldn’t have been that far off. Also most likely it’s another Cam Newton season and once was enough.

I don't have a problem with Jones, but they could of definitely traded up and got Fields .


Way after the fact..and i am no Mel Kiper. Yea, you could of drafted a Mills in a later round and kept the other QB here as well and went that route.

Like I said before a rebuild is Inevitably. Have no problem with that, but how it's being done right now is just one big head scratcher..

 

[203Pat]

I don’t doubt Mac’s intelligence or ability. I doubt the current coaching staff’s ability to put him, and by extension the rest of the offense in a position to succeed.

I think they are setting Mac up to fail. By they I basically mean Bill.

 

[sb1]

I don't have a problem with Jones, but they could of definitely traded up and got Fields .

Would have been interesting to see the reaction around here if they did that anyway to watch Fields take sacks and put up a rating in the 70s like he did last year or more likely to sit for another season of Newton and no playoffs.

 

[Boomer B]

I like Mac and he is the guy I wanted them to draft, but like others I question if he’s being put in the best position to grow and reach his potential. I’m not big on Patricia or Judge and the line is a mess. Not a good recipe for a 2nd year QB looking to become a franchise player.

 

[Toofy]

I don't want us to be jets or browns or cardinals tossing out qbs every alternate year. Finding a polished QB straight outta draft is like finding a diamond in the rough.

We will need to provide the best team and tools for Mac to succeed.if he manages to be a version of Kirk cousins or better version we wuld be set for next 5-10 years.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Are you related to MAC10?

my guy's trolling the Pats fans. Come on now. Bama or no, nobody's that stupid.

So basically now it's a 2-week prayer period before we open the season, right? No news, no camp, no nothin. Just cross our fingers and hope for different results.

Welp, BB's act never was one to follow in a media-roundup herd mentality. More like "okayyyyyy let's see what Rick built in the garage this episoder." With the caveat, of course, that that makes us Morty.

We now have a lot of leeway to decide/not decide on some skill positions, given the recent injuries. Yay for that. Mac look very mortal and not so quick to come up to that level. This is heavily influenced by our new notional blocking scheme. I've seen all sorts of answers... we need coaching help, Bill should call Scar, Bill should have cloned Scar in 2000 or so, Bill should replace the O-line's nerves with fiber optics and control them with an xbox or something, etc... everything I've read says an install like we're attempting takes time. So I'm hanging my hat on that, that the time between now and the first game will be enough to not get destroyed in game 1.

Look for me in the gdt, I'll be the one biting my fingernails. More specific? The old one. More specific? never mind, I'll be just like everybody else...

 

[festy1986]

2020 was going to be a lost year. Too many old players, no passing game, no money, no chance in hell.

2021 went as you'd expect with the influx of talent and a good rookie qb.

2022 to me is a wild card year. They can take a step back a la 2002, or they can scratch and claw their way a la 2001.

2023 and 2024 are the key years for me. Expecting at least an afccg appearance to signal their arrival as contenders.

2002 they took a step back from a Superbowl winning team and sat at. 9 and 7 record, essentially what Mac Jones and the Patriots accomplished last year.

A step back from last year would be a disaster.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Would have been interesting to see the reaction around here if they did that anyway to watch Fields take sacks and put up a rating in the 70s like he did last year or more likely to sit for another season of Newton and no playoffs.

I think he would of fair well here especially since he could run and throw on the run.

They don't have him set up well in Chicago right now either.


Imagine we could of had Fields throwing to Deebo or A.J. Brown...

 

[lancerman]

2002 they took a step back from a Superbowl winning team and sat at. 9 and 7 record, essentially what Mac Jones and the Patriots accomplished last year.

A step back from last year would be a disaster.

Idk if I agree with that. The Patriots in 2020 essentially dropped their QB, were rolling in with a washed Cam and back ups at QB, and they had pretty much no ability to make any real major signings. It was basically a wash to fix up the cap for next year. 2021 was a big leap because of the influx of talent and a better QB, but they really didn't improve much talent wise this off season and I think there is a stronger argument that they lost more than they gained. Depending on the schedule, I could absolutely see a step back before they can make improvements next off season.

Like last year, the schedule will determine our record more than our talent level imo. I can't see the offense taking control of games again, so it's going to be passive game management and wanting the defense to show up.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Of course, but I highly doubt we will see him throwing into an area with 6 guys very often.

Yep, that was a horrible decision. There had to be five guys open giving all the black Jin’s in the area he threw that,

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think he would of fair well here especially since he could run and throw on the run.

They don't have him set up well in Chicago right now either.


Imagine we could of had Fields throwing to Deebo or A.J. Brown...

I know it. I also imagine having Aaron Donald with Myles Garrett, T.J. Watt, Derwin James and Micah Patsons. I’ll never forgive Belichick passing on those guys.

 

[festy1986]

Idk if I agree with that. The Patriots in 2020 essentially dropped their QB, were rolling in with a washed Cam and back ups at QB, and they had pretty much no ability to make any real major signings. It was basically a wash to fix up the cap for next year. 2021 was a big leap because of the influx of talent and a better QB, but they really didn't improve much talent wise this off season and I think there is a stronger argument that they lost more than they gained. Depending on the schedule, I could absolutely see a step back before they can make improvements next off season.

Like last year, the schedule will determine our record more than our talent level imo. I can't see the offense taking control of games again, so it's going to be passive game management and wanting the defense to show up.

Except in one scenario the Patriots won a Superbowl and in the other they barely were in the playoffs.

If they take a step back from last year then heads are going to roll and rightfully so.

It's easy to swallow missing the playoffs when you've won the Superbowl 10 months before that but missing the playoffs after bailing in the first round the year before is a step backwards and NOT part of the process of what is to be expected.

 

[lancerman]

Except in one scenario the Patriots won a Superbowl and in the other they barely were in the playoffs.

If they take a step back from last year then heads are going to roll and rightfully so.

It's easy to swallow missing the playoffs when you've won the Superbowl 10 months before that but missing the playoffs after bailing in the first round the year before is a step backwards and NOT part of the process of what is to be expected.

It depends on if you accept that we are still in a rebuild and it's not going to be constant progress. We were able to improve the team last year. We were not this year when you consider people retiring, lack of cap, and a new offensive coaching staff. Next year we should have some cap and you would hope over this season and next season Mac and some of the younger players make the jump eventually.

It's not all going to be upwards progress. It wasn't the first few years with Belichick. 2000 was abysmal, 2001 was a big surprise where a lot went the right way, 2002 we went back to Earth, then in 2003 everything started clicking then 05 and 06 were down years again.

We have to look at context too. Back then we had an emerging all time great QB and we got really fortunate dice rolls on a lot of our home grown talent from those first couple of years. Even guys that came on later in their career like Rodney Harrison were big contributors where later on with guys like Ocho Cinco we found that wouldn't always be the case.

In 2020 we basically started from scratch.

 

[sb1]

If they take a step back from last year then heads are going to roll and rightfully so.

Depends what we mean by step back. 9-8 is my prediction and competitive right to the end whether playoffs or not. I don’t think Patriots need to blow it up in that scenario but I would like to see Mac take that second year jump.

Or if we mean a total collapse like 4 wins then yeah there are major problems and serious renovations are needed and I think that includes Bill being nudged a little toward retirement.

 

[Zuma]

The doom and gloom in here is fantastic

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's not all going to be upwards progress. It wasn't the first few years with Belichick. 2000 was abysmal, 2001 was a big surprise where a lot went the right way, 2002 we went back to Earth, then in 2003 everything started clicking then 05 and 06 were down years again.

Those were not down years. They were contenders.