Henry Anderson

[PATSYLICIOUS]

He could have easily been cut prior to his restructure for a pretty decent savings I believe, so something tells me bb is a fan

 

[Family]

Can you link what you are referring to?

So apologies. I did read the rule wrong. It's three times you can be elevated without going through waivers, not unlimited.

So they can cut Anderson on the 53 where he never has to go through waivers, can resign with the practice squad, and be moved up 3 times without having to go through waivers.

Basically the same as last year, but just one more time and an expanded practice squad to 16.

Still Anderson's contract is made for this. He costs the same, dollars and cap, if he's cut and kept.

 

[Ring 6]

So apologies. I did read the rule wrong. It's three times you can be elevated without going through waivers, not unlimited.

So they can cut Anderson on the 53 where he never has to go through waivers, can resign with the practice squad, and be moved up 3 times without having to go through waivers.

Basically the same as last year, but just one more time and an expanded practice squad to 16.

Still Anderson's contract is made for this. He costs the same, dollars and cap, if he's cut and kept.

Pretty sure that doesn’t apply to cutdowns. In other words they can’t cut Anderson and put him on the practice squad without being exposed to waivers.
But if he is on the practice squad during the season you can activate him for a game then put him right back without going on waivers. 3 times.
It’s not that big a deal though because players on the ps are pretty much in waivers any way. The only difference is if you pluck them off a ps you are required to keep them on the 53 for a period of time (3 weeks I think).
So this rule has almost zero real impact, other than the ability to activate your ps guys without cutting someone.

 

[Family]

Pretty sure that doesn’t apply to cutdowns. In other words they can’t cut Anderson and put him on the practice squad without being exposed to waivers.

A vested veteran (four years) does not have to go through waivers before the trade deadline.

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It happened previously with Hoyer and Folk.

The only difference this year is they expanded the number of promotions to 3 and the practice squad to 16.

 

[mgteich]

One reason I did is that the new rule says three veteran players who don't have to go on waivers can be stashed on the practice squad.

The Patriots reworked Anderson's contract, so he fits perfectly with that rule.

I think that's the plan for Anderson and maybe a few other vets.

Sort of a shadow roster that's being overlooked.

???
Why would Anderson work for $8K or so a week, when he might sign for much more to join another team for a weak.

 

[patfanken]

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Why would Anderson work for $8K or so a week, when he might sign for much more to join another team for a weak.

because 8K a week beats a sharp stick in the eye

 

[Family]

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Why would Anderson work for $8K or so a week, when he might sign for much more to join another team for a weak.

The idea is a way to protect more players like Ray/Roberts/Nixon/Wilkerson by keeping one of them, cutting Anderson, and then promoting Anderson on game day.

 

[Ring 6]

A vested veteran (four years) does not have to go through waivers before the trade deadline.

What's the Difference Between Waived and Released? Everything to Know About NFL Roster Cuts and How the Waiver Wire Works

While many NFL fans and even media members use terms like "waived" and "released" interchangeably, there is actually a distinct difference.

www.profootballnetwork.com

It happened previously with Hoyer and Folk.

The only difference this year is they expanded the number of promotions to 3 and the practice squad to 16.

They don’t have to go through waivers but they are immediate free agents. Totally different thing.

 

[Ring 6]

The idea is a way to protect more players like Ray/Roberts/Nixon/Wilkerson by keeping one of them, cutting Anderson, and then promoting Anderson on game day.

But you risk losing Anderson if another team wants him

 

[Family]

But you risk losing Anderson if another team wants him

Of course, but my point has been that Anderson's contract is set up as if this has been the plan.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course, but my point has been that Anderson's contract is set up as if this has been the plan.

How so?

 

[Family]

How so?

Anderson received a 1 million signing bonus (close to the vet minimum) that becomes dead cap if cut, and a base salary of 1.2 (again close to vet minimum).

So the team is only on the hook for 1 million if cut, and can pay a per game salary, while Anderson is guaranteed the million and can be most available down the stretch at his own pace.

It seems a shadow roster plan was in place to me.

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[Ring 6]

Anderson received a 1 million signing bonus (close to the vet minimum) that becomes dead cap if cut, and a base salary of 1.2 (again close to vet minimum).

So the team is only on the hook for 1 million if cut, and can pay a per game salary, while Anderson is guaranteed the million and can be most available down the stretch at his own pace.

It seems a shadow roster plan was in place to me.

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How is that different than any other player that is a veteran reserve?
There is no vet minimum signing bonus.
And your information was wrong, he signed a 2 year contract in 2021. Then after missing most of last year he agreed to a pay cut. You seem to be arguing the contract anticipated that he would be injured in 2021 and they designed it because of rules that were not in effect with no real characteristics that even are advantageous of those rules.

 

[Family]

How is that different than any other player that is a veteran reserve?
There is no vet minimum signing bonus.
And your information was wrong, he signed a 2 year contract in 2021. Then after missing most of last year he agreed to a pay cut. You seem to be arguing the contract anticipated that he would be injured in 2021 and they designed it because of rules that were not in effect with no real characteristics that even are advantageous of those rules.

He agreed to rewrite his contract for less money, which made this strategy most possible for the team.

M Butler's contract was similar as is Justin Bethel's. Hoyer and Folk were similar last year when they used this strategy on them.

Disagree if you like, but if the rules allow for stacking veterans on a practice squad shadow roster, do you think that is something BB would not take advantage of and plan for?

 

[Ring 6]

He agreed to rewrite his contract for less money, which made this strategy most possible for the team.

M Butler's contract was similar as is Justin Bethel's. Hoyer and Folk were similar last year when they used this strategy on them.

Disagree if you like, but if the rules allow for stacking veterans on a practice squad shadow roster, do you think that is something BB would not take advantage of and plan for?

Rewriting his contract to take a pay cut has nothing to do with your made up “strategy”. If they are going to cut him and he will only make 8000 a week on the practice squad there would be no reason to give him a pay cut. Quote the opposite, his salary only matters if he makes the 53 man roster so giving him a pay cut says they expected he probably will.
How are Folk, Hoyer, Butler and Bethels contracts similar? And Bethel us a core special teamer not a guy who will be cut hoping he catches in the practice squad.

I’m not sure how you get that Bill belichick is smart and uses all the rules to help him is proof that something you clearly do not understand must be correct.
Yes, the Patriots will take advantage of the ability to have veterans on the practice squad.
No there is not a rule change that lets you “stash” players on the practice squad.
No there is not a trick that lets you cut players and put them on the practice squad without exposing them to waivers.
No you have no exclusive right whatsoever to a practice squad player.
No the contract if a player has no impact on this topic because to go on the ps you must be cut, voiding your contract.
Yes players who are less likely to make the team will typically have lower salaries. That has always been the case.
Yes, if the Patriots decide to cut Anderson, AND no team signs him, AND he agrees to stick around for $8000 a week, AND no other team ever offers him a contract he wold be a guy they consider putting on the practice squad and maybe call up if there is an injury. Like every other player they cut.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Rewriting his contract to take a pay cut has nothing to do with your made up “strategy”. If they are going to cut him and he will only make 8000 a week on the practice squad there would be no reason to give him a pay cut. Quote the opposite, his salary only matters if he makes the 53 man roster so giving him a pay cut says they expected he probably will.
How are Folk, Hoyer, Butler and Bethels contracts similar? And Bethel us a core special teamer not a guy who will be cut hoping he catches in the practice squad.

I’m not sure how you get that Bill belichick is smart and uses all the rules to help him is proof that something you clearly do not understand must be correct.
Yes, the Patriots will take advantage of the ability to have veterans on the practice squad.
No there is not a rule change that lets you “stash” players on the practice squad.
No there is not a trick that lets you cut players and put them on the practice squad without exposing them to waivers.
No you have no exclusive right whatsoever to a practice squad player.
No the contract if a player has no impact on this topic because to go on the ps you must be cut, voiding your contract.
Yes players who are less likely to make the team will typically have lower salaries. That has always been the case.
Yes, if the Patriots decide to cut Anderson, AND no team signs him, AND he agrees to stick around for $8000 a week, AND no other team ever offers him a contract he wold be a guy they consider putting on the practice squad and maybe call up if there is an injury. Like every other player they cut.

Thanks for the information. Can we release a veteran, and if they clear waivers, resign them to a new contract instead of the $8000 a week?

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks for the information. Can we release a veteran, and if they clear waivers, resign them to a new contract instead of the $8000 a week?

No because a contract puts them on the 53. We used to pay some ps players extra bit I believe (not sure) they don’t allow that now.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No because a contract puts them on the 53. We used to pay some ps players extra bit I believe (not sure) they don’t allow that now.

But the player could stay at home for 1 to 3 weeks and then have a contract on the 53. Not ideal for the player.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

But the player could stay at home for 1 to 3 weeks and then have a contract on the 53. Not ideal for the player.

Each player also has 3 game day elevations where they can revert back to the practice squad afterwards. If a player is elevated that week, they earn the applicable veteran minimum based on years of service for the week. So it’s possible someone like Anderson could be put on the practice squad, elevated 3 times, then an injury happens where someone is placed on IR and Anderson is signed to a veteran’s minimum contract on the 53 for the remainder of the year. And in that case, there’s no money lost (when compared to the option of just cutting now and signing to the 53 at the vet minimum for week 1).

Ring6 is correct that there is salary slotting for the practice squad now. In the past, the Patriots would actually pay a player they wanted to keep the same salary as they’d get on the active roster. Can’t do it anymore; players with under 2 years of service get a prescribed salary, while players with over that have an allowable range of salaries which is relatively narrow.

 

[Ring 6]

But the player could stay at home for 1 to 3 weeks and then have a contract on the 53. Not ideal for the player.

How is that any different than being cut and someone signs you later?
Everyone wee cut could be signed to a contract later by any team whether they are on a practice squad or not.