PFT: Belichick sees Dramatic Improvement in Mac

[SHOWTIME15]

Stafford is waaaay too low. Should be top 5 minimum. Watson, who hasn't played in over a year, is too high.

Stafford arguably had the best overall season last year, including playoffs

 

[Wozzy]

It's an honest ranking. Why are you always crying?

lol honest ranking from one of the biggest Patriot hating whiners here… funny stuff.

Best to worst quarterback heading into the season.

Lamar at 10… okay.

37-12. NFL MVP. TD% of 6.3%. 98.1 passer rating. 6 yards per rushing attempt. What's the problem? He in fact is of the more likely to move up the rankings.

Yeah, Lamar’s only been getting better and better…

Year QBR
2018 84.5 (not better than Mac)
2019 113.3
2020 99.3
2021 87.0

In 2021 career low TD's, career high INT's, career high sacks, career low yards from scrimmage as a starter... becoming worse as a passer as teams got film on him.

Lamar's career playoff totals: 1-3 Record, 56% Completions, 3td's/5 INT's, 6.62 Yards Per Passing Attempt, 19 Sacks, 68.3 QB Rating... and oh yeah, 5 Fumbles.

Yeah... “better” and more likely to move up your arbitrary rankings.

Allen wasn't "horrid" in his second season. He accounted for 29 TDs (9 rushing). Right now, he's a beast, hence the top spot heading into the season. Allen and Mahomes are debatable for the top spot but they're above everyone else.

For the first three years Allen was called a bust by both the media and fanbase in Buffalo. But Mac has “peaked” after his rookie season…. sounds legit.

 

[bormio]

Looks right.

Jones has a long road ahead to be at 5 or 6. Last season Allen threw 36 TDs, rushed for 750 yards and 6 TDs and took his team down to the wire in KC post season.

That KC game was a bad loss for Buffalo - really bad. Allen is entering his 5th year.and hasn’t made the big show. Most of the QBs that end up great at least get there early. KC was ripe to be beaten last year and a primed Buffalo team failed. It took a Cincy team that is not yet peaking to do it. If Buffalo fails this year it could begin to go sideways for them.

 

[Triumph]

That KC game was a bad loss for Buffalo - really bad. Allen is entering his 5th year.and hasn’t made the big show. Most of the QBs that end up great at least get there early. KC was ripe to be beaten last year and a primed Buffalo team failed. It took a Cincy team that is not yet peaking to do it. If Buffalo fails this year it could begin to go sideways for them.

Let me get this straight.

KC lost the 2019 AFFC just like Buffalo lost the in OT last season and KC won the Super Bowl the next season.

 

[bormio]

Let me get this straight.

KC lost the 2019 AFFC just like Buffalo lost the in OT last season and KC won the Super Bowl the next season.

Mahomes was in his 2nd year starting. Allen was in his 4th. And that KC loss to NE is one of the reasons this KC team will likely be viewed as underachievers when all is said and done.

 

[Wozzy]

That KC game was a bad loss for Buffalo - really bad. Allen is entering his 5th year.and hasn’t made the big show. Most of the QBs that end up great at least get there early. KC was ripe to be beaten last year and a primed Buffalo team failed. It took a Cincy team that is not yet peaking to do it. If Buffalo fails this year it could begin to go sideways for them.

Good post, Buffalo is well past their window of winning with a QB on his rookie deal.

He signed a massive deal last year but the team deferred his massive cap hit until 2023, they kicked the majority of his cap can down the road.

His 10 and 16.3 million cap hit the on his new deal becomes a 39.8 million dollar cap hit in 2023. Then it goes to 42 then 51 million in 24’ and 25.’

Any advantage of a QB on a rookie deal is gone and they have to start cutting good players to fit him under the cap.

By the end of Mahomes rookie deal he had one ring, Allen has none… Brady had three… and we’re inundated with posts here how BB sucks at his job. Welcome to weird world.

 

[Bill Lee]

Mac has the right attitude, work ethic and is going to be a fine QB, but it all comes down to the players surrounding him. I look forward to seeing how he and Parker mesh. Hoping that Thornton's speed is noticed in camp.

If it all came down to the players around him, can we put Hoyer in instead of him and expect the same outcome? Or sign Cam off his couch? C'mon, man...

 

[venecol]

Bill's going to let Mac call his own plays. I like it.

Belichick says Jones will play role in molding new offense

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Whatever the New England Patriots’ offense looks like in the aftermath of former offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels’ departure, Bill Belichick is clear about one thing: Mac

www.recorderonline.com

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

At this point the D concerns me greatly. Could be some wild shootouts.

I Would rather watch us win in a wild shootout than 7-3 , these comments are exciting news i‘m pumped for the offense

 

[Rob0729]

That KC game was a bad loss for Buffalo - really bad. Allen is entering his 5th year.and hasn’t made the big show. Most of the QBs that end up great at least get there early. KC was ripe to be beaten last year and a primed Buffalo team failed. It took a Cincy team that is not yet peaking to do it. If Buffalo fails this year it could begin to go sideways for them.

One thing people were forgetting about last year was the Bills were wildly inconsistent last year until after they got embarrassed by the Pats losing to them when Jones only threw three passes. Allen also was inconsistent during this period too. That game and the post game ridicule seemed to motivate them and made them a different team. From that point on until the point they lost to the Chiefs, they were playing the best football in the league.

The question is whether they will go back to being inconsistent without that fire `or build on what they were post the Patriots loss.

 

[Kasmir]

One thing people were forgetting about last year was the Bills were wildly inconsistent last year until after they got embarrassed by the Pats losing to them when Jones only threw three passes. Allen also was inconsistent during this period too. That game and the post game ridicule seemed to motivate them and made them a different team. From that point on until the point they lost to the Chiefs, they were playing the best football in the league.

The question is whether they will go back to being inconsistent without that fire `or build on what they were post the Patriots loss.

Yep, the Bills had the highest DVOA variance in the league.

NE was also inconsistent with the 3rd highest DVOA variance.

2021 Team DVOA Ratings: Overall | Football Outsiders

www.footballoutsiders.com

And you are right, Josh Allen was also very inconsistent and was actually an average QB in most systems prior to the season ending streak.

As you point out, the idiot media mindlessly extrapolates from the season end conditions to the next season, which is especially dangerous with inconsistent teams and players. That -- plus roster changes -- is why there are so many surprises when they actually play the game.

 

[Wozzy]

I Would rather watch us win in a wild shootout than 7-3 , these comments are exciting news i‘m pumped for the offense

I mean... I'd rather win outright. But also know BB can coax a decent performance out of a "less than" defense and there's also the possibility the defense is much better than anticipated if young players step up and contribute. I'm pumped for this season, let's go!

 

[Ring 6]

Bill's going to let Mac call his own plays. I like it.

Belichick says Jones will play role in molding new offense

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Whatever the New England Patriots’ offense looks like in the aftermath of former offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels’ departure, Bill Belichick is clear about one thing: Mac

www.recorderonline.com

You really should have someone explain things you read to you before you post about them.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Bill's going to let Mac call his own plays. I like it.

Belichick says Jones will play role in molding new offense

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Whatever the New England Patriots’ offense looks like in the aftermath of former offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels’ departure, Bill Belichick is clear about one thing: Mac

www.recorderonline.com

The article says nothing about Mac calling his own plays...

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I mean... I'd rather win outright. But also know BB can coax a decent performance out of a less than defense and there's also the possibility the defense is much better than anticipated if young players step up and contribute. I'm pumped for this season, let's go!

I agree the Defense has some unknows esp at outside cb and LB, a lot of Young Players i am Interested in seeing how they perform especially the rookie cb and mcgrone/Wilson at LB. The additions of speed was a good Start imo.
I am glad practice finally starts

 

[Wozzy]

Josh Allen sucked until he got a top flight receiver. If he played in NE, he would still be putting up those same horrible numbers.

Josh Allen had basically the same receivers from year one to year two… he got substantially better. He got even better in year three.

A great WR doesn’t make a QB great… Randy Moss in Oakland in 2006 didn’t make QB Andrew Walter an All Pro… AJ Brown did nothing with Mariota but became a star the second they put Tannehill on the field.

QB’s make WR’s, until WR’s start throwing to QB’s that’s how it’s going to stay. WR’s can enhance QB’s stats, but they don’t make them “better.” Josh Allen got better on his own and with the help of his coaches.

 

[XLIX]

Josh Allen had basically the same receivers from year one to year two… he got substantially better. He got even better in year three.

Josh Allen sucked his first 2 years in the League. It wasn't until year 3 that he took his big step forward. By an amazing coincidence, the Bills picked up a top flight, legit #1 WR that season.

Josh Allen, years 1 and 2: 440-781 (56.3%), 5,163 yards, 30 TD, 21 INT
Josh Allen, years 3 and 4: 805-1,218 (66.1%), 8,951 yards, 73 TD, 25 INT

The difference is night and day.

A great WR doesn’t make a QB great… Randy Moss in Oakland in 2006 didn’t make QB Andrew Walter an All Pro…

LOL!! That's your counter example? Andrew Walter...?

Randy Moss made an entire career of making the QBs he played with better. He turned 14-year veteran Randall Cunningham into an MVP candidate for Pete's sake.

QB’s make WR’s, until WR’s start throwing to QB’s that’s how it’s going to stay. WR’s can enhance QB’s stats, but they don’t make them “better.” Josh Allen got better on his own and with the help of his coaches.

You have a right to your ignorance.

 

[patsfan13]

This breakdown has his stats against man and zone. I'm not saying its all Mac, but there was a distinct difference in his stats when playing man. I also don't agree with everything in the video about stability, etc. But he does make a point about how he plays vs man.

Now go next level ie the separation of Pats WR vs other groups. You weill see the Pats had among the lowest separation of any team in the NFL. that also impacts performance in MAn vs zone.

 

[Rob0729]

For what it worth Zo and Beetle are raving about Mac's throws and technique. They said he throws were sharp. Zo says he sees improvements in his throwing technique.

Take it for what is worth since it is the first practice, but it is encouraging.

 

[crawhammer]

Stafford is waaaay too low. Should be top 5 minimum. Watson, who hasn't played in over a year, is too high.

I don't think Stafford is a quarterback who elevates the players around him like Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes can. He also throws too many untimely picks.

Statistically Watson has had an incredible start to his career. I think he can pick up where he left off and now he'll have a better team around him... the question is when will he play.

gotta win a superbowl before you go throwing around beast

I don't think that's entirely fair. His immense talent is undeniable. The last two seasons he's accounted for 87 TDs. He's been ridiculously good in the postseason... 6 games, 14 TDs, 1 INT... the Buffalo defense has had no answer for KC in the playoffs, surrendering 500 yards and 40 points per matchup.

Josh Allen sucked until he got a top flight receiver. If he played in NE, he would still be putting up those same horrible numbers.

This sounds like you're saying you prefer Mac Jones over Josh Allen. Is that accurate?

lol honest ranking from one of the biggest Patriot hating whiners here… funny stuff.

Because I think Brady was more valuable to the dynasty than Belichick? Because I think Josh Allen is better than Mac Jones?

You really think I fudged the order of the rankings because "I hate the Patriots"? That's pretty stupid.

Lamar at 10… okay.

Yeah, Lamar’s only been getting better and better…

Year QBR
2018 84.5 (not better than Mac)
2019 113.3
2020 99.3
2021 87.0

In 2021 career low TD's, career high INT's, career high sacks, career low yards from scrimmage as a starter... becoming worse as a passer as teams got film on him.

Lamar's career playoff totals: 1-3 Record, 56% Completions, 3td's/5 INT's, 6.62 Yards Per Passing Attempt, 19 Sacks, 68.3 QB Rating... and oh yeah, 5 Fumbles.

Yeah... “better” and more likely to move up your arbitrary rankings.

Jackson's talent is freakish. He's a lethal rushing quarterback who averages 6 yards per attempt. He missed 5 games last season so his totals were down however his completion percentage was at his career average (64%) and his yards per game (passing + rushing) was the best of his career. His picks were up last season but his career INT% is still a respectable 2.3% and he has the same career TD% as Aaron Rodgers at 6.3%. If Jackson's fully healthy this season then I expect him to fall somewhere in the range of his 2019/2020 production. The fun part is we're going to find out who's right about Jackson.

For the first three years Allen was called a bust by both the media and fanbase in Buffalo. But Mac has “peaked” after his rookie season…. sounds legit.

Firstly I never said Mac Jones has "peaked." Secondly your comment about Allen is entirely false. He was second in MVP voting in his third season. He had a terrible rookie season (if you ignore his rushing totals) but he's wasn't that bad in year two... his last 12 games he had 6 rushing TDs, 17 passing TDs, and only 5 turnovers. His rookie season he legitimately had 0 decent receivers and year two he had John Brown (mediocre) and Cole Beasley (a decent slot). Aside from all that, I'm talking about right now, heading into the 2022 season... Allen (or Mahomes) is the best quarterback in the NFL.