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I don't know if that's fair. The Strange pick is pretty much the most universally questioned pick league wide and was literally the only selection in the first round where every network covering the draft didn't have tape on the player qued up because it was massive reach. Curran is in line with over 95% (made up number) of the assessments on that pick. He's not being a contrarian like Felger looking to manufacture the narrative to be negative. It is just a straight up negative. The Pats passed up one of the top CB's in the draft, another highly touted CB, two offensive lineman who were projected far higher than the one we got, and the first two LB's selected in the draft in the spots they lost from the trade down. Then took a guy that by all indications was viewed as closer to 3rd roun pick.

Multiple longtime draft analyzers have been very down on that pick. You can't blame Curran for his take. Even if Strange turns into a Mankins, we could have likely just taken McDuffie and then Strange in the second.
That wasn't based on the draft, it was based on the last year of his 'work'.
 
Here's Super Cole dominating this scrub in the Senior Bowl....his chin is rock hard!!

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"A little help here..."
 
I don't know if that's fair. The Strange pick is pretty much the most universally questioned pick league wide and was literally the only selection in the first round where every network covering the draft didn't have tape on the player qued up because it was massive reach. Curran is in line with over 95% (made up number) of the assessments on that pick. He's not being a contrarian like Felger looking to manufacture the narrative to be negative. It is just a straight up negative. The Pats passed up one of the top CB's in the draft, another highly touted CB, two offensive lineman who were projected far higher than the one we got, and the first two LB's selected in the draft in the spots they lost from the trade down. Then took a guy that by all indications was viewed as closer to 3rd roun pick.

Multiple longtime draft analyzers have been very down on that pick. You can't blame Curran for his take. Even if Strange turns into a Mankins, we could have likely just taken McDuffie and then Strange in the second.

I don't blame anyone for questioning it. What I will say though is it seems more teams had a higher grade on him (over the consensus) than just the Patriots, so there was no guarantee he lasts to 54. And if he does turn into a Mankins like you say, and they got cute and missed out, that also would have been a bad move. Ultimately, as always, the intelligence of the pick will be based on how the player turns out, not on whether they MIGHT have been able to get him somewhere else, because that's impossible to know for sure.
 
...Ultimately, as always, the intelligence of the pick will be based on how the player turns out, not on whether they MIGHT have been able to get him somewhere else, because that's impossible to know for sure.

But that's also part of playing the draft.
 
****ing hilarious seeing the media use ****ing practice reps at the senior bowl as evidence of something
 
You’re going to suffer the shock of playing against large athletic defensive linemen, not guys who will be running Hertz counters.

Steep learning curve, skinny butt
 
I don't know if that's fair. The Strange pick is pretty much the most universally questioned pick league wide and was literally the only selection in the first round where every network covering the draft didn't have tape on the player qued up because it was massive reach. Curran is in line with over 95% (made up number) of the assessments on that pick. He's not being a contrarian like Felger looking to manufacture the narrative to be negative. It is just a straight up negative. The Pats passed up one of the top CB's in the draft, another highly touted CB, two offensive lineman who were projected far higher than the one we got, and the first two LB's selected in the draft in the spots they lost from the trade down. Then took a guy that by all indications was viewed as closer to 3rd roun pick.

Multiple longtime draft analyzers have been very down on that pick. You can't blame Curran for his take. Even if Strange turns into a Mankins, we could have likely just taken McDuffie and then Strange in the second.
When there is a "reach", it means the media draftniks failed to forecast correctly. If they had known what they were doing, they should have said something like "we believe most teams had [3rd round] grades on [player], but some teams might have him as high as a [1st round] grade on him because [reasons]". When they are surprised (like with Strange) it means they failed in their forecast, and cover it up by blaming the team that made the surprisingly early pick.

Doubters would feel different about the Strange pick if the media draftniks had forecast it correctly.

It's even worse when there is a "steal", because in that case a draftnik touted player is publicly passed over by every team, completely invalidating the draftniks consensual hallucination. To cover their failure, they claim that the team that eventually picks the player as having made a "steal" when it was instead a massive forecasting failure by draftniks. The correct analysis would have been something like "we believe the highest any team will take [player] is round [n] but we also believe the player should actually be picked in round [n + m] for [reasons].

"Reaches" and "steals" are just indicators of failures to forecast draft day. True "value" of players picked and the true opportunity cost can only be determined years later based on actual performance, and even then there is uncertainty because of semi-random factors like injury and the difficulty to even retroactively assess team specific fit.

This is not to say the draftnik efforts are useless; they are hugely entertaining to us the public and provide us very interesting detailed introductions to players (even more so if they are team specific like BGC's) And the draft scoring game is fun just like fantasy football is fun.

But draftnik efforts are not particularly relevant to teams. I believe the only teams that factor in media pre-draft consensus about "value" are teams that have ownership, management or coaching running scared about fan opinion because of a record of poor actual team performance.

To illustrate the level of BS involved, consider Mike Mayock's fate: he was highly respected by the public as a media draftnik and hired because of that -- but was a joke as an actual general manager. Now he can't show his face in public.
 
The next OG selected was by Tampa... At 57.

The next OLman of Any Kind selected was by Philthy... At 51.
Stop bringing reality to the mix.

We had to draft the third round guy in the first round… because.

He was going to be drafted in the first round.

Even though it would have been the third round.

Belichick is a gawd.
 
There's a lot more footage of Strange winning some of the battles against Jones. At best, it was 50/50 for Jones.

But whatever.

Do you know how easily the Patriots could've taken Jones in the 3rd round? The trades up in that round were not that costly, especially for a team with multiple fourths and 6ths. If they wanted Jones at all, it would've been easy to grab him. Clearly, the Patriots did not want him.
Gawd wanted Travis Jones in a Patriots uniform.

We needed Jones.

That Jones.

Not that Jones.
 
Just heard Chris Simms saying the Strange pick definitely was not a reach, and he knows for a fact that Strange wasn't making it past the tenth pick in the second round. For what it's worth.
 
Just heard Chris Simms saying the Strange pick definitely was not a reach, and he knows for a fact that Strange wasn't making it past the tenth pick in the second round. For what it's worth.
Yes. And the Bucs (among other teams) were going to take him in the 2nd. The 2nd round was only 4 picks away but some snowflakes think that was still too soon. I'm fine with the pick.
 
52 pages. REALLY?????

Listen I was blindsided by the pick just like everyone else. AND....all the criticism of the pick is fully justified. BUT.... he's ours now and WHERE he was picked really doesn't mean a thing. I mean EVERYONE had Nakobe Dean going late first round early 2nd, and then we watched him slide all the way to the 3rd. How do you figure THAT happened?

The point is the Pats added 7 or 8 new picks and will do so again NEXT year, and we will spend hours before the draft trying to figure out who they will go with and then spend even MORE hours dissecting the results. But to what end? Come July a lot of us will trot down to Gillette and take a look at this team. And remember how this team is built and comes together (or not) will really determine how well they will do. All the talk and hand ringing means nothing to the ACTUAL results.

If 3 or 4 of these kids end up starting or playing significant roles over the next 5 years, it will be considered a successful draft, more and it will be a GREAT draft.

Bottom line, this draft is over who we took and who we didn't when we had the chance is now kind of irrelevant. Between now and July there will be a few more additions through FA. I'm hoping for Trey Flowers AND Hakeem Hicks before July, and questions about the DL will fade away, but we shall see.
 
52 pages. REALLY?????

Listen I was blindsided by the pick just like everyone else. AND....all the criticism of the pick is fully justified. BUT.... he's ours now and WHERE he was picked really doesn't mean a thing. I mean EVERYONE had Nakobe Dean going late first round early 2nd, and then we watched him slide all the way to the 3rd. How do you figure THAT happened?

The point is the Pats added 7 or 8 new picks and will do so again NEXT year, and we will spend hours before the draft trying to figure out who they will go with and then spend even MORE hours dissecting the results. But to what end? Come July a lot of us will trot down to Gillette and take a look at this team. And remember how this team is built and comes together (or not) will really determine how well they will do. All the talk and hand ringing means nothing to the ACTUAL results.

If 3 or 4 of these kids end up starting or playing significant roles over the next 5 years, it will be considered a successful draft, more and it will be a GREAT draft.

Bottom line, this draft is over who we took and who we didn't when we had the chance is now kind of irrelevant. Between now and July there will be a few more additions through FA. I'm hoping for Trey Flowers AND Hakeem Hicks before July, and questions about the DL will fade away, but we shall see.

Well of course there's 52 pages on our first round draft pick... what else is there to talk about right now? Kraft's girlfriend having an affair with Jimmy G?
 
Just heard Chris Simms saying the Strange pick definitely was not a reach, and he knows for a fact that Strange wasn't making it past the tenth pick in the second round. For what it's worth.
There was a report last week that he definitely would have gone in the 40’s if not before then. Those two reports overlap by three picks, and the Seahawks had two of them.
 
Players are castrated here without a single practice. A lot of snowflake ME ME ME now mentality and we see it from old and young.
 
But that's also part of playing the draft.
But players don’t all get picked at the spot the consensus drafts them. It takes 1 team to pick a player, it’s not a vote of 32. People either refuse to understand this or just can’t.
 
When there is a "reach", it means the media draftniks failed to forecast correctly. If they had known what they were doing, they should have said something like "we believe most teams had [3rd round] grades on [player], but some teams might have him as high as a [1st round] grade on him because [reasons]". When they are surprised (like with Strange) it means they failed in their forecast, and cover it up by blaming the team that made the surprisingly early pick.

Doubters would feel different about the Strange pick if the media draftniks had forecast it correctly.

It's even worse when there is a "steal", because in that case a draftnik touted player is publicly passed over by every team, completely invalidating the draftniks consensual hallucination. To cover their failure, they claim that the team that eventually picks the player as having made a "steal" when it was instead a massive forecasting failure by draftniks. The correct analysis would have been something like "we believe the highest any team will take [player] is round [n] but we also believe the player should actually be picked in round [n + m] for [reasons].

"Reaches" and "steals" are just indicators of failures to forecast draft day. True "value" of players picked and the true opportunity cost can only be determined years later based on actual performance, and even then there is uncertainty because of semi-random factors like injury and the difficulty to even retroactively assess team specific fit.

This is not to say the draftnik efforts are useless; they are hugely entertaining to us the public and provide us very interesting detailed introductions to players (even more so if they are team specific like BGC's) And the draft scoring game is fun just like fantasy football is fun.

But draftnik efforts are not particularly relevant to teams. I believe the only teams that factor in media pre-draft consensus about "value" are teams that have ownership, management or coaching running scared about fan opinion because of a record of poor actual team performance.

To illustrate the level of BS involved, consider Mike Mayock's fate: he was highly respected by the public as a media draftnik and hired because of that -- but was a joke as an actual general manager. Now he can't show his face in public.

Yeah, if Kiper and the rest of his type ever had to be accountable for their analysis and prognostications, they'd be assistant managers at Denny's. Those guys would have their lunch money taken repeatedly by the dozen or so really competent NFL personnel offices.
 
Well of course there's 52 pages on our first round draft pick... what else is there to talk about right now? Kraft's girlfriend having an affair with Jimmy G?
Yes, apparently.
 


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