2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[upstater1]

Just saw this ...

These are the kind of stats that could really really hurt a team that follows them.

The sort of thing that made Aaron Maybin a top 15 pick.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think jermaine Johnson and Charles cross are long gone by the time it gets to us. They will go even before Davis. I'd look at the Chiefs as a possible trading partner. If they give us #29 or 30 AND #50 or 62 for #21, then I'd go for it if I were BB. KC is desperate to replace Tyreek Hill and could be looking at jumping ahead of GB, who is also wants a WR.

I think that trade would be great. Did you look at the trade value chart to see if the trade is close to balanced in points for each side?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think that trade would be great. Did you look at the trade value chart to see if the trade is close to balanced in points for each side?

2026 NFL Trade Value Chart | Drafttek

According to this chart, it's close:

NE - #29, 62 = 924

KC - #21 = 800

To even it out a bit, Bill may have to offer our third (#85). I would still do it.

 

[PWRxWLF]

If everyone is wanting to trade down, I gotta imagine it is going to lower the cost to trade up vs other draft years. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

2026 NFL Trade Value Chart | Drafttek

According to this chart, it's close:

NE - #29, 62 = 924

KC - #21 = 800

To even it out a bit, Bill may have to offer our third (#85). I would still do it.

Yes we might have to offer a 4th if KC is really interested, but most likely a 3rd like you suggest. I would still do it as well, but it is not as attractive as I first thought trading down was. Trading with Detroit from #21 to #34 nets a 3rd, #66, so we end up with no Day 1 picks but four Day 2 picks. I would do that too. But going from #21, #53, #85 to #34, #53, #66 and #85 does make it very unlikely to pick a true difference maker like Williams, Davis, or the like.

 

[50-yard-line]

Yes we might have to offer a 4th if KC is really interested, but most likely a 3rd like you suggest. I would still do it as well, but it is not as attractive as I first thought trading down was. Trading with Detroit from #21 to #34 nets a 3rd, #66, so we end up with no Day 1 picks but four Day 2 picks. I would do that too. But going from #21, #53, #85 to #34, #53, #66 and #85 does make it very unlikely to pick a true difference maker like Williams, Davis, or the like.

And then the Pats zag instead of zig, hold fast at 21 or move up a couple of spots to get a CB, Davis, or someone they love…then move up AGAIN in Round 2 to grab a Gordon, Jones, or Brisker?

Is the draft really “deep” or is it mediocre? Looks like some teams are trying to trade down, and most fan bases seem to want to collect bodies.

Maybe that’s the time to move up to get the 1 or 2 guys you really like, then take some shots further down the board.

Are there really a lot of guys in round 3, 4 who are going to knock off people they already have in place? Maybe for that guard spot, but where else?

Consider that top-heavy teams need to backfill a ton of rookies, but the Pats aren’t top-heavy at all and have a solid “middle class already and have lots of players still on rookie deals.

 

[captain stone]

...Sometimes you watch guys play or girls in other sports. You watch them and see "OK they know what to do" but the competition shows up too, technique isn't quite there, they might just be limited in certain areas.

With Waletzko it's a little bit of everything above...

He's a bit of a project in pass pro and has to get stronger and play with more discipline in the run game. He's a nice project in the 6th-7th RD imo.

I fear he won't make it that far.

 

[captain stone]

I think jermaine Johnson and Charles cross are long gone by the time it gets to us. They will go even before Davis. I'd look at the Chiefs as a possible trading partner. If they give us #29 or 30 AND #50 or 62 for #21, then I'd go for it if I were BB. KC is desperate to replace Tyreek Hill and could be looking at jumping ahead of GB, who is also wants a WR.

If I'm Bill the first thing I do is offer to swap 21 with GB for 22 & 140, or if they wanna give me 28 & 59 for 21 I'll take it;

then I'd offer to swap 22 with Dallas for 24, 176 & their 5th-rounder next year;

then at 24 I'm on the phone with Jacksonville & Houston, both of whom have a ton of picks like KC, for 33 & 70 or 37 & 68 respectively, or maybe the Vagiants for 36 & 67... If Little Nicky won't budge from 68 then I'll accept 80 & 107/108... Detroit doesn't have the extra Day 2 capital I want... And oh yeah, **** Chumley, the Punk & the Entire Kans-ass Sh!tty Queefs organization, from top to bottom.

 

[Sciz]

Is the draft really “deep” or is it mediocre? Looks like some teams are trying to trade down, and most fan bases seem to want to collect bodies.

Peter King's anonymous GMs were pretty unanimous that the third and fourth rounds will be stronger than usual. I think the depth of the second round is a little overstated, and that it's really weakness in the mid-late first that makes the early-mid second look more attractive.

Peter King's Football Morning In America - 12 People In NFL Draft Rooms Compare Notes

Peter King's Football Morning In America column begins with a look at the very mysterious 2022 NFL Draft, through the lens of 12 NFL people in power.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[50-yard-line]

If I'm Bill the first thing I do is offer to swap 21 with GB for 22 & 140, or if they wanna give me 28 & 59 for 21 I'll take it;

then I'd offer to swap 22 with Dallas for 24, 176 & their 5th-rounder next year;

then at 24 I'm on the phone with Jacksonville & Houston, both of whom have a ton of picks like KC, for 33 & 70 or 37 & 68 respectively, or maybe the Vagiants for 36 & 67... If Little Nicky won't budge from 68 then I'll accept 80 & 107/108... Detroit doesn't have the extra Day 2 capital I want... And oh yeah, **** Chumley, the Punk & the Entire Kans-ass Sh!tty Queefs organization, from top to bottom.

Why would Green Bay jump one position? Are they thinking you want the guy they want? If that's the case, why would you trade?

My fear is that this recipe here will fill the team with more Wilsons, Uches, Perkinses...etc. - the kind of guys you have nothing good to say about.

Thus, my hunch is the Pats know 1 or 2 (of say, 5) players they really want and aren't afraid to move up to get them.

 

[ashley]

I think jermaine Johnson and Charles cross are long gone by the time it gets to us. They will go even before Davis. I'd look at the Chiefs as a possible trading partner. If they give us #29 or 30 AND #50 or 62 for #21, then I'd go for it if I were BB. KC is desperate to replace Tyreek Hill and could be looking at jumping ahead of GB, who is also wants a WR.

Yeah, could be...I have heard that Johnson is shooting up on teams boards.

 

[Clonamery]

Why would Green Bay jump one position? Are they thinking you want the guy they want? If that's the case, why would you trade?

My fear is that this recipe here will fill the team with more Wilsons, Uches, Perkinses...etc. - the kind of guys you have nothing good to say about.

Thus, my hunch is the Pats know 1 or 2 (of say, 5) players they really want and aren't afraid to move up to get them.

Green Bay might think you're trading down and want to be sure they get who they want. Hence, block your trading partner.

 

[50-yard-line]

Green Bay might think you're trading down and want to be sure they get who they want. Hence, block your trading partner.

Ah, good point.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Guys who will go before Jordan Davis / top ten ...

They're consensus when you look at PFF, Matt Miller, DJ, Lance etc ..

QB
Pickett/Willis? They're not in the top ten but positional value with drive them up a bit you figure??

RB
no

WR
London?
Wilson? ... both are top ten
Williams, Olave & Burks are close - top 21

Saf
Hamilton

Cross
Neal
Ikey
Possibly Penning he's right around 20. Again positional value comes into play here

CB
Sauce
Stingley
McDuffie

Rush
Hutch
Walker
KT

So I believe he'll make it until Balty. He's right up their alley but they absolutely could go WR for Jackson or add someone opposite Oweh. I think this is a little closer than you'd think. 40% chance

Philadelphia is a good spot considering they have so many picks and could use him. That said he's not a traditional IDL for them.

NO I'd say less than 50% they have a few real issues and are probably looking QB or to deal out. Maybe even into next year. Idk they're a tough read but you have to think they're thinking QB or WR.

Chargers are an obvious fit but I really believe some teams will prefer Jones > Davis so we'll see but this is an obvious fit.

Philadelphia - again lots of picks and Davis, although limited is an immediate starter, fills several needs and Davis is a big personality as well. It's an easy sell everyone loves him

NO again QB or WR imo.

Pittsburgh - like Balty, Davis is right up their alley and is an immediate starter. He'll do well in any city but would be very popular in Pitt's black & gold.

There's definitely a path for him to get there or very close to it. Obviously not comparing prospects but supposedly we loved Justin Jefferson who was selected one pick in front of us. I wouldn't mind using a 3rd to unsure we get our guy. Especially if by some small chance we get a shot at a guy like Cross or Hamilton or Stingley.

 

[Zuma]

And then the Pats zag instead of zig, hold fast at 21 or move up a couple of spots to get a CB, Davis, or someone they love…then move up AGAIN in Round 2 to grab a Gordon, Jones, or Brisker?

Is the draft really “deep” or is it mediocre? Looks like some teams are trying to trade down, and most fan bases seem to want to collect bodies.

Maybe that’s the time to move up to get the 1 or 2 guys you really like, then take some shots further down the board.

Are there really a lot of guys in round 3, 4 who are going to knock off people they already have in place? Maybe for that guard spot, but where else?

Consider that top-heavy teams need to backfill a ton of rookies, but the Pats aren’t top-heavy at all and have a solid “middle class already and have lots of players still on rookie deals.

It’s reasonable to expect the unexpected with BB. I’m looking forward to the draft.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

These are the kind of stats that could really really hurt a team that follows them.

The sort of thing that made Aaron Maybin a top 15 pick.

I'm not sure I follow. They're data points. How you value them is up to you.

 

[upstater1]

I'm not sure I follow. They're data points. How you value them is up to you.

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Like I said, if a team ascribes to these, it could be detrimental.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

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Like I said, if a team ascribes to these, it could be detrimental.

Let me ask again. What in the world do you mean by that? You haven't said anything about what's wrong with the stats -- which, again, are just numbers, not commentary on play -- nor have you provided any shred of evidence that they're detrimental. How about some examples beyond a player's name?

 

[upstater1]

Let me ask again. What in the world do you mean by that? You haven't said anything about what's wrong with the stats -- which, again, are just numbers, not commentary on play -- nor have you provided any shred of evidence that they're detrimental. How about some examples beyond a player's name?

It's not obvious?

I can think of dozens of things that are wrong with it. Scheme for one. Is the DE supposed to hold the point of attack. 3-4 defense. 4-3 defense. Blitzing. Is the player on a team that jumps ahead of the opposition a lot (Alabama?) and allows the D to pin its ears back as the opposition goes pass only.

There's a million ways this is useless.

 

[Vindicate]

Let me ask again. What in the world do you mean by that? You haven't said anything about what's wrong with the stats -- which, again, are just numbers, not commentary on play -- nor have you provided any shred of evidence that they're detrimental. How about some examples beyond a player's name?

I think what you're saying is: this stat, alongside other nuanced metrics and discussion, can help provide a bit more insight to inform a decision to pick a player

I think what upstarter1 is saying is: that these stats, when used in a vacuum to inform a decision, are detrimental. Meaning that, if you only look at this stat, you're going to be led astray.

Both are correct, both are different statements. Also I could be wrong in inferring what it is you're both saying.