Player Signing Report: Patriots Acquire DeVante Parker from Dolphins

[Deus Irae]

One alternative is to accept the personal views of so many posters that we are a below average defense and a below average offense.

Stats aren't everything, but they are something.

Very personally, I think it is very, very strange to think that the number of points scored by a team doesn't matter, and that the number of points that a team gives up doesn't matter. I suppose that in this view either every game is 50% or the likelihood of winning is best projected by posters whose opinions are the best indicator, and who purposely ignore the stats of players and teams.

The points scored say that the 2021 Patriots had the #6 offense in the NFL last season. Do you think that the Patriots really had the sixth best offense in the NFL last season? If not, where would you rank it, and why is it different from the ranking?


The points allowed say that the 2021 Patriots had the #2 defense in the NFL last season. Do you think that the Patriots really had the second best defense in the NFL last season? If not, where would you rank it, and why is it different from the ranking?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Very personally, I think it is very, very strange to think that the number of points scored by a team doesn't matter, and that the number of points that a team gives up doesn't matter.

The reason @captain stone and others like myself roll our eyes to those stats is because it depends on who they play. That’s why every year there’s those “measuring stick” games. If a team plays all anemic offenses like the Jets and has a high defensive ranking, are they really that good? Pats D beat up on the bad offenses while getting lit up by competent offenses minus a storm and the wind. Also couldn’t even contain the damn Dolphins twice.

 

[mgteich]

That's what I've been tryin' to tell ya!

2021 POINTS SCORED

Stats are important when
BUF is #3 in OFF and #1 in DEF
TB is #2 in OFF and #5 DEF
KC is #4 in OFF and #8 in DEF
IND is #10 in OFF and #10 in DEF

Stats are totally irrelevant when
NEP is #6 in OFF and #2 in DEF
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I 100% agree that what really matters is what happens at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Yes, sometimes good teams can't close and miss the playoffs or are one and done in a horribly played playoff game.

WHAT THIS DOES NOT MEAN is that the team that failed at the end is a poor team, has a weak offense, or has a weak defense. The answer is rarely that their team is weak and needs a rebuild. They may have lost because of injuries, poor play/motivation and/or poor coaching. They may have lost because the team they played was hot at the end of the season.

 

[captain insano]

A 3rd is too much for a baller? How many guys actually play a full 17 game season each year? Way less than the guys that do.

There is no shortage of injuries in Parker’s history. However, the hamstring injuries stand out prominently. According to draftsharks.com, Parker has had 15 documented injuries since entering the NFL in 2015. That is an average of more than two injuries per season since he was drafted. Of those 15 injuries, 7 are recorded as some sort of hamstring injury of varying severities. Source How long is DeVante Parker out? Injury timeline, return date, updates on Dolphins WR

That is the very definition of a recurring injury, but I don't know if he had lingering problems with his HS after he was cleared to play (which would have made it more of chronic problem).

 

[Ring 6]

That's what I've been tryin' to tell ya!

Well you are the opposite. You dismiss legitimate stats because they don’t support your narrative.

 

[Ring 6]

2021 POINTS SCORED

Stats are important when
BUF is #3 in OFF and #1 in DEF
TB is #2 in OFF and #5 DEF
KC is #4 in OFF and #8 in DEF
IND is #10 in OFF and #10 in DEF

Stats are totally irrelevant when
NEP is #6 in OFF and #2 in DEF
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I 100% agree that what really matters is what happens at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Yes, sometimes good teams can't close and miss the playoffs or are one and done in a horribly played playoff game.

WHAT THIS DOES NOT MEAN is that the team that failed at the end is a poor team, has a weak offense, or has a weak defense. The answer is rarely that their team is weak and needs a rebuild. They may have lost because of injuries, poor play/motivation and/or poor coaching. They may have lost because the team they played was hot at the end of the season.

Scoring and allowing points are “stats” they are what determines winning and losing.
Comparing cumulative statistics about dissimilar plays is useless

 

[mgteich]

The reason @captain stone and others like myself roll our eyes to those stats is because it depends on who they play. That’s why every year there’s those “measuring stick” games. If a team plays all anemic offenses like the Jets and has a high defensive ranking, are they really that good? Pats D beat up on the bad offenses while getting lit up by competent offenses minus a storm and the wind. Also couldn’t even contain the damn Dolphins twice.

Yup, and had we beaten MIA twice, the only folks thinking that patriots had weak and poor team would be you and other posters on message boards. 10 wins wasn't enough (with #6 OFF and #2 DEF). Another few points to beat MIA likely wouldn't have made much difference.
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For me, the goal EVERY year is to beat the teams weaker than you and to break even with the rest. If you are a competitive team, this means the playoffs. What happens in the playoffs is determined by many things,

The BOTTOM LINE is that being in the top 10 in wins, points for and points against IS NOT, IS NOT, a reason to gut a team and rebuild, or to gut a defense, or to gut an offense.

Such a team may need to sign or replace players. And, sure, the team should try to improve. However, major adjustments shouldn't be necessary. And yes, almost every year, there are major changes to a unit or (this year, it is the OL).

 

[Deus Irae]

Yup, and had we beaten MIA twice, the only folks thinking that patriots had weak and poor team would be you and other posters on message boards. 10 wins wasn't enough (with #6 OFF and #2 DEF). Another few points to beat MIA likely wouldn't have made much difference.
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For me, the goal EVERY year is to beat the teams weaker than you and to break even with the rest. If you are a competitive team, this means the playoffs. What happens in the playoffs is determined by many things,

The BOTTOM LINE is that being in the top 10 in wins, points for and points against IS NOT, IS NOT, a reason to gut a team and rebuild, or to gut a defense, or to gut an offense.

Such a team may need to sign or replace players. And, sure, the team should try to improve. However, major adjustments shouldn't be necessary. And yes, almost every year, there are major changes to a unit or (this year, it is the OL).

Player Signing - Report: Patriots Acquire DeVante Parker from Dolphins

 

[Zuma]

Normally I do a dance when NE drafts an Alabama player (I'm still pinching myself over the draft of Mac and Barmore) but I agree on not drafting Williams with a 1st round pick. With wide receiver salaries going up so much getting one on a rookie contact is worth more than in the past, and I have a little trouble seeing Williams making a giant impact in his rookie year coming off a significant knee injury suffered so late last season.

Plus, although I don't have any hard data or reporter analysis to refer to, I certainly watched all of the Alabama games last year, and Williams flourished last year with Bryce Young, a much different type of QB than Mac (even thought I preferred Mac as a QB at Alabama). Bryce Young was constantly scrambling around for extra time (while keeping his eyes downfield) and while doing so he often hit Williams for big plays, it reminded me a bit of the way that the Steeler receivers used to flourish by running around and getting free back while Big Ben scrambled to prolong plays to sling the ball down the field (referring to the style only, Young is obviously much smaller and IMHO much smarter than Big Ben was).

Mac is the type to (usually) stand in the pocket, avoid mistakes and get the ball out quickly. I think Metchie might match what Mac needs much better (more of a quick but route runner) and hopefully as you said he could be acquired with a 2nd or 3rd.

That's an interesting point I was not aware of. And with Parker on board I think Metchie is a better fit in round 2 or 3 as well.

 

[venecol]

2021 POINTS SCORED

Stats are important when
BUF is #3 in OFF and #1 in DEF
TB is #2 in OFF and #5 DEF
KC is #4 in OFF and #8 in DEF
IND is #10 in OFF and #10 in DEF

Stats are totally irrelevant when
NEP is #6 in OFF and #2 in DEF
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Those are bad examples since Pats went 1-4 ( .200) against those teams and were tossed in WC round, whereas aside from Indy, the rest went to DIV round or beyond.

 

[venecol]

For me, the goal EVERY year is to beat the teams weaker than you and to break even with the rest. If you are a competitive team, this means the playoffs. What happens in the playoffs is determined by many things,

The Goal used to be to win the Division. Funny how times have changed.

 

[mgteich]

The Goal used to be to win the Division. Funny how times have changed.

Of course, the goal is to win the decision. And, if not, then get into the playoffs.

Perhaps, you think that this becomes the goal after Game 15, and that points scored before then don't matter. And of course, winning games is irrelevant.

 

[PatsFan2]

The Goal used to be to win the Division. Funny how times have changed.

Ain't nothing wrong with being second best.

 

[venecol]

Of course, the goal is to win the decision. And, if not, then get into the playoffs.

Perhaps, you think that this becomes the goal after Game 15, and that points scored before then don't matter. And of course, winning games is irrelevant.

Not sure I understand your last paragraph. The goal was always win Division, then try to get HFA, then try to get #1 seed.

It seems many are just satisfied with backing into the playoffs, where the chances of making a deep run are much lower. Is this team good enough to back into the playoffs? Sure. So, we're good enough to compete w/ 6 or 7 teams for the 3 lowest playoff spots. Is that the fruit of having a #2 D & #6 O? Something doesn't jive here.

 

[PatsFan2]

Normally I do a dance when NE drafts an Alabama player (I'm still pinching myself over the draft of Mac and Barmore) but I agree on not drafting Williams with a 1st round pick. With wide receiver salaries going up so much getting one on a rookie contact is worth more than in the past, and I have a little trouble seeing Williams making a giant impact in his rookie year coming off a significant knee injury suffered so late last season.

Plus, although I don't have any hard data or reporter analysis to refer to, I certainly watched all of the Alabama games last year, and Williams flourished last year with Bryce Young, a much different type of QB than Mac (even thought I preferred Mac as a QB at Alabama). Bryce Young was constantly scrambling around for extra time (while keeping his eyes downfield) and while doing so he often hit Williams for big plays, it reminded me a bit of the way that the Steeler receivers used to flourish by running around and getting free back while Big Ben scrambled to prolong plays to sling the ball down the field (referring to the style only, Young is obviously much smaller and IMHO much smarter than Big Ben was).

Mac is the type to (usually) stand in the pocket, avoid mistakes and get the ball out quickly. I think Metchie might match what Mac needs much better (more of a quick but route runner) and hopefully as you said he could be acquired with a 2nd or 3rd.

These Bama players are seriously plug in and play the word is out. This a just a very intriguing WR Draft so many good prospects. That said IF Jameson Williams is on the Board at 21 I think BB might be tempted. Just Draft Defense the rest of the way Williams should be ready by Halloween. Small price to pay for a Guy who could be Great. You'd have him under Rookie Contract for at least Five years good investment if you ask me. P.s. I'm not opposed to Metchie in the Second a lot of people like him at the Top of the second tier of receivers.

 

[borg]

The points scored say that the 2021 Patriots had the #6 offense in the NFL last season. Do you think that the Patriots really had the sixth best offense in the NFL last season? If not, where would you rank it, and why is it different from the ranking?


The points allowed say that the 2021 Patriots had the #2 defense in the NFL last season. Do you think that the Patriots really had the second best defense in the NFL last season? If not, where would you rank it, and why is it different from the ranking?

I think it was just bad luck that NE's #2 defense couldn't force a punt vs Buffalo twice....

And the refs were out to get NE in the 8 games their #6 offense failed to outscore opponents
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I am very excited Bill has:

Signed a CB who was retired last year to replace Mr. INT
Signed a Safety coming off ACL surgery
Traded for a WR with chronic hammies
Resigned the 400 lb tackle with calf issues who has averaged 7 starts the past two years

 

[Deus Irae]

Of course, the goal is to win the decision. And, if not, then get into the playoffs.

Perhaps, you think that this becomes the goal after Game 15, and that points scored before then don't matter. And of course, winning games is irrelevant.

Player Signing - Report: Patriots Acquire DeVante Parker from Dolphins

 

[PatsFan2]

Not sure I understand your last paragraph. The goal was always win Division, then try to get HFA, then try to get #1 seed.

It seems many are just satisfied with backing into the playoffs, where the chances of making a deep run are much lower. Is this team good enough to back into the playoffs? Sure. So, we're good enough to compete w/ 6 or 7 teams for the 3 lowest playoff spots. Is that the fruit of having a #2 D & #6 O? Something doesn't jive here.

Gotta see what we got venecol: if Jonnu Smith plays up to his abilities. Two TE set with him and Hunter Henry - Parker and Bourne as your Receivers should be a decent Offense. With Rookie WR and Meyers coming off the bench.

 

[venecol]

Gotta see what we got venecol: if Jonnu Smith plays up to his abilities. Two TE set with him and Hunter Henry - Parker and Bourne as your Receivers should be a decent Offense. With Rookie WR and Meyers coming off the bench.

I'm hopeful but we're not the only team trying to get better. The other division teams that beat us twice last season, made significant moves to get better. Imo Parker is an improvement, but is it enough? The other concern is if Mac hits a sophomore slump. He may get 5-10% better, yet because the other teams now know his tendencies and weaknesses, it may overcome this slight improvement. I can't wait to find out.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I think it was just bad luck that NE's #2 defense couldn't force a punt vs Buffalo twice....

And the refs were out to get NE in the 8 games their #6 offense failed to outscore opponents
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I am very excited Bill has:

Signed a CB who was retired last year to replace Mr. INT
Signed a Safety coming off ACL surgery
Traded for a WR with chronic hammies
Resigned the 400 lb tackle with calf issues who has averaged 7 starts the past two years

Not a glass half full kind of guy are you? ;-)