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[rochrist]

2) WR Andy Isabella from the Cardinals.. Great slot potential. Speed to burn we need. Might be a rental. Only $1.4mm salary. No excuse of this one Bill. Blank, his agent has permission to seek trade. For some reason this forum does like this kid as a Pat.

Because he can't play.

 

[DaBruinz]

To the people that want a WR. Would you trade 21 for DK or Terry?

To the people that want a CB. Would you trade 21 for AJ Terrell? Broke out last year, tied for CB3 when I graded him coming out.

Take a page from the Rams or no?

Just throwing it out there.

I'd trade This years and Next years #1s for Metcalf. It's going to take at least that to get him considering what Parker and Hill were traded for.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's all very well, but how would you pay them? I'm afraid that this year will have to be JAGs and rookies.

They have plenty of restructures they could do to pay them.

 

[DaBruinz]

Here's what fans need to understand. Here we are with another week and a half before April first arrives and what do have have 50 odd players currently under contract. In the end we will HAVE to have another 35-40 more players to add BEFORE we go to camp in late July. Only about 7-10 will be draftees and UDFA, so there will ba a LOT of players with NFL experience left to add, SOME of them might even wind up being quality additions in the end. The team building process CONTINUESSSSSSSSSSSS

Actually, the Pats have 68 players singed. They also have the 7 draft picks.. So that's 15 other players who will be signed. Be it UDFA, UFA or SFA.

 

[DaBruinz]

Would you trade #54 for DK? Maybe draft a true slot with a 5th or 6th? Spend 21 on defense or trade back? Just asking jope every one is well.

Again, I don't see how Metcalf gets traded for anything less than what Hill was traded for.

 

[DaBruinz]

Nope, dude is a one trick knuckle headed pony. Granted it’s a hell of a trick and his stats look really good but I wonder how much of that is Russell Wilson being, IMO the best deep ball guy in the league, but certainly top 3 which fits DK’s strengths. I see him being too expensive and under used here so there are better ways to allocate limited resources.

Saying that Metcalf is a "one trick pony" tells me you haven't watched a single Seawhawks game in the last two years. Metcalf isn't no where close to a one trick pony..

 

[Mike the Brit]

They have plenty of restructures they could do to pay them.

If they'd had so many ways of making extra cap room they wouldn't have traded Shaq Mason, in my opinion.

 

[DaBruinz]

If they'd had so many ways of making extra cap room they wouldn't have traded Shaq Mason, in my opinion.

Agree to disagree there. Trading Shaq Mason wasn't about the extra cap room. It was about Mason not having guaranteed money this year and next and him wanting some.

Furthermore, Your opinion is lacking actual factual information. Like the FACT the Patriots could easily go to players like Judon, Smith, and Henry and ask to convert Salary to Signing bonus. They could easily free up $6M from Judon, $4M from Henry, and 5.3M from Smith.

@Miguel (aka Patscap on Twitter) has posted NUMEROUS times that the Pats could free up money with relative ease.

So, you can have your opinion, but it's not really based on anything factual.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Appreciate the responses ...

Personally, I would do that with no hesitation .

I'd be hard pressed not to for only 54. That's. Pretty much exact value where he was picked and he obviously has performed a little better than that slot. Probably 25-40 range. Idk that seems like a good deal for both.

Yes, but he would be a big money guy, don't know his contract but we would never pay him his asking price. Definitely an exceptional talent. Being in Seattle we don't get a lot of information about him here.

Would the Patriots be willing to pay him $28 million per to extend him? If not, and I think the answer is no, why would they trade for him?

I hear this a lot and at times fall into myself but you have to pay for good players. I get the prices are looking crazy but it is what it is in that regard. The caps going up and people are paying that money. 20m per year is crazy for a WR if you've bern watching football all your life but again that's the rate. I get that we're not a team that spends needlessly but I think it's clear we need to need a little more help on that side although I'm fine with this group this year.

Nope, dude is a one trick knuckle headed pony. Granted it’s a hell of a trick and his stats look really good but I wonder how much of that is Russell Wilson being, IMO the best deep ball guy in the league, but certainly top 3 which fits DK’s strengths. I see him being too expensive and under used here so there are better ways to allocate limited resources.

I get this and he might not scream typical NEP but his skill set is lacking here, no? Plus I don't think he needs 150 + targets to do some damage. I don't think we'd have to force feed him or change much at all. He'll give you 900-1k yards off 100-120 targets but more importantly imo. He puts up 6. That's huge with me for WR. Catch the ball, route running, blah, blah, blah but if you can put up 6 consistently you're changing the game. 29 TD in 3 years would be much welcomed here.

Again, I don't see how Metcalf gets traded for anything less than what Hill was traded for.

I think he definitely goes for a 1 but they're selling and clearly in the mist of a big rebuild on both sides with a 70 year old coach (which is nuts when you think about it but hey Pete is obviously content with starting from scratch)

I'd trade This years and Next years #1s for Metcalf. It's going to take at least that to get him considering what Parker and Hill were traded for.

Yea again I'd be hard pressed to not do 54 for DK. That's great value. Sure we have to pay him but you have to pay players in today's game with the cap, post-Brady and the timetable we're on.

I think the most he'll go for is a 1st & 3rd but we'll see.

Anyway if we got lucky and landed him for 54 this looks a whole lot different imo and can certainly compete with the rest of the division in terms of targets.

DK
Agholor
Bourne
Meyers
Henry
Smith
White
Mid-Late RD pick - Velus Jones, K Phillips or W Robinson. Jones & Phillips are intriguing bc of their YAC, ST play and blocking abilities.

For those that don't know or haven't heard of Velus Jones he's a fun prospect. Blocks his butt off. Slot/return man that runs pretty smooth routes. Tough kid with lots of yac ability.

You want this guy on your team


Nice shoulder and head fakes

 

[ralmat55]

Agree to disagree there. Trading Shaq Mason wasn't about the extra cap room. It was about Mason not having guaranteed money this year and next and him wanting some.

Speaking of factual information. What’s your source about Mason wanting guaranteed money?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Think I posted this before but it's worth a second look ..

 

[DaBruinz]

Speaking of factual information. What’s your source about Mason wanting guaranteed money?

I'm sorry.. Did you say something? Pretty sure you said you weren't talking to me..

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

lol

 

[patfanken]

Actually, the Pats have 68 players singed. They also have the 7 draft picks.. So that's 15 other players who will be signed. Be it UDFA, UFA or SFA.

Thanks for that detail, that's still gives them 15 more shots at finding contributors PLUS the 7 draft picks. So that's 21 more bullets in the gun. You'd like to think at least 7 of them will help.

 

[rochrist]

lol

Chris Rock totally asked for that.

 

[masterbouncer]

lol

only one who can make fun of one's disease is the person who has the disease and makes fun of himself at own will

no comedian or whatsoever, don't make fun out of anybodies disease, that's not funny, there is not a joke to be made about
alopecia for woman must be very hard to take, its not like she cut her hair for an act

 

[1960Pats]

Actually, the Pats have 68 players singed. They also have the 7 draft picks.. So that's 15 other players who will be signed. Be it UDFA, UFA or SFA.

I just checked the roster out and it doesn't look like they're strong at LB. They have plenty of players but not a lot of quality there. I don't see much mention of LB as a need. What am I missing?

 

[Pats2000]

Again, I don't see how Metcalf gets traded for anything less than what Hill was traded for.

You think Metcalf is worth 5 picks or whatever.
?

 

[DaBruinz]

You think Metcalf is worth 5 picks or whatever.
?

You put Metcalf with a good QB and Good O-line and you'll see amazing numbers..

D.K. Metcalf Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com (25 in December)




Davante Adams Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com (Turns 30 in December)





Tyreek Hill Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com (Just turned 28)




So, yes, if Hill cost 5 picks at 28 with a ridiculous extension, I'd expect Metcalf to be very similar.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Appreciate the responses ...

I'd be hard pressed not to for only 54. That's. Pretty much exact value where he was picked and he obviously has performed a little better than that slot. Probably 25-40 range. Idk that seems like a good deal for both.


I hear this a lot and at times fall into myself but you have to pay for good players. I get the prices are looking crazy but it is what it is in that regard. The caps going up and people are paying that money. 20m per year is crazy for a WR if you've bern watching football all your life but again that's the rate. I get that we're not a team that spends needlessly but I think it's clear we need to need a little more help on that side although I'm fine with this group this year.

I get this and he might not scream typical NEP but his skill set is lacking here, no? Plus I don't think he needs 150 + targets to do some damage. I don't think we'd have to force feed him or change much at all. He'll give you 900-1k yards off 100-120 targets but more importantly imo. He puts up 6. That's huge with me for WR. Catch the ball, route running, blah, blah, blah but if you can put up 6 consistently you're changing the game. 29 TD in 3 years would be much welcomed here.

I think he definitely goes for a 1 but they're selling and clearly in the mist of a big rebuild on both sides with a 70 year old coach (which is nuts when you think about it but hey Pete is obviously content with starting from scratch)

Yea again I'd be hard pressed to not do 54 for DK. That's great value. Sure we have to pay him but you have to pay players in today's game with the cap, post-Brady and the timetable we're on.

I think the most he'll go for is a 1st & 3rd but we'll see.

Anyway if we got lucky and landed him for 54 this looks a whole lot different imo and can certainly compete with the rest of the division in terms of targets.

DK
Agholor
Bourne
Meyers
Henry
Smith
White
Mid-Late RD pick - Velus Jones, K Phillips or W Robinson. Jones & Phillips are intriguing bc of their YAC, ST play and blocking abilities.

For those that don't know or haven't heard of Velus Jones he's a fun prospect. Blocks his butt off. Slot/return man that runs pretty smooth routes. Tough kid with lots of yac ability.

You want this guy on your team


Nice shoulder and head fakes

Thank you! Velus Jones is JUST the kind of player I fall for. So now I have a draft binkie. I'll predict the Ravens.