Is the brady vs belichick debate ruining this board or is it just me?

[1960Pats]

Yeah, but don't forget, Dungy was a good regular season coach but not so much in the postseason. Look at Tampa when he left and Gruden came in that first year and took his roster all the way to a championship. As far as the specifics of what he did that held them back, I don't know off the top of my head short of going back and doing some digging. I guess the point I was making is if you pair Brady with Dungy and put Manning with Belichick, would the conversation be different? Which is sort of the argument I was making about the two being important to each other's success.

One of the things that stood out to me during The Brady 6 was when Brady's counselor from Michigan told us that Brady had a very keen respect for authority. That made him the perfect QB for an authoritarian like Belichick. Manning's a knucklehead.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm saying this respectfully but aren't you around 90-95?? Again - respectfully! Im hoping to make it there myself.

I'm asking bc I'd imagine someone who's lived that long knows the score in life. You're not the same person at 20, you are at 30. And I'd imagine that's the same for 40-50 too. Again being almost 100 I'd figure you'd cut him some slack at the half way point approaching 45.

How in the world anyone can call Brady a pos is beyond me though. Not even being dramatic but that **** shouldn't ever be written or spoken here. If you're a real Pats fan you owe everything to Brady. You'd have 0 memories or excitement over the last 20 year's that ultimately defines this franchise. You're off the rails man. Hernandez, Ty Hill, Caruth, Hardy etc you have plenty examples of what a pos athlete is. Brady is so far away from those types it's not funny.

And again just from a pure fan perspective. NEP weren't cool, weren't winning, weren't very relevant before he helped put 6 Lombardi's at 1PP.

There are a few gentlemen in their 90's in our poker group. One of them didn't make it one week because he literally couldn't get out of bed because of his back pain. I guess what I'm saying is that it depends on your quality of life.

Basically, the Pats had a decent team for small portions of each of their decades. They went to a SB in the 80s and 90s and were robbed of it in the 70s. But nothing could have prepared us for what took place in the 00s and 10s. We were king of the mountain for a very long time and because of that our fandom should never waver. We're so far ahead of the game it's crazy.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

There are a few gentlemen in their 90's in our poker group. One of them didn't make it one week because he literally couldn't get out of bed because of his back pain. I guess what I'm saying is that it depends on your quality of life.

Sorry I'm a little confused here. I understand what you're saying. Just how it relates above?

Basically, the Pats had a decent team for small portions of each of their decades. They went to a SB in the 80s and 90s and were robbed of it in the 70s. But nothing could have prepared us for what took place in the 00s and 10s. We were king of the mountain for a very long time and because of that our fandom should never waver. We're so far ahead of the game it's crazy.

Yup, no we definitely put together a few nice teams. There were spurts in a few decades. But in terms of relevance, Pats making an impact on the league and just success. We weren't cool, an afterthought for the most part.

Yea we're up big on the scoreboard. Very very few fan bases know what's it like and can relate but we did it in the salary cap era. With more rule changes, stolen picks, more teams and talent than ever before. Rare air most never breathe.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I feel like its been discussed on 80% of threads for the last 2 years with no end in sight. The same arguments are brought up and its just one side trashing the other nonstop. It might just be me, but I feel like over the last two years its gotten noticebly bad.

You don't have to get involved in it if it doesn't interest you. Clearly there are 2 camps. Either take a side or ignore it. It shouldn't affect you if you don't let it.

Besides no matter which side you are on, it's all still just football. Some of us still root for Brady and are grateful for all he's done for us. And others act like jilted lovers. While others will defend BB to their dying breath no matter what mistakes he makes managing/mismanaging the team.

And there are a few really rare souls who see both sides of the story and have moved on without letting it affect them and try to view the teams moves with an unbiased perspective with the bottom line question - does this make the team better or worse?

 

[Disco Volante]

We would have won (at least) 13 games last year had Brady been on the team, had the #1 seed and most likely been in the Super Bowl.

Alas, Belichick decided to prematurely end a dynasty to prove to everyone he can win without Brady.

 

[WinstonSmith]

We would have won (at least) 13 games last year had Brady been on the team, had the #1 seed and most likely been in the Super Bowl.

Alas, Belichick decided to prematurely end a dynasty to prove to everyone he can win without Brady.

You do realize that...ehh nevermind. I don't usually listen to sports radio, but had eei on while on the way to pickup some Japanese takeout earlier today, and they were yapping about a rumor that Brady will be playing in Miami this year (somehow someway). I can only imagine what this place will be like if that happens.

 

[1960Pats]

Sorry I'm a little confused here. I understand what you're saying. Just how it relates above?

Yup, no we definitely put together a few nice teams. There were spurts in a few decades. But in terms of relevance, Pats making an impact on the league and just success. We weren't cool, an afterthought for the most part.

Yea we're up big on the scoreboard. Very very few fan bases know what's it like and can relate but we did it in the salary cap era. With more rule changes, stolen picks, more teams and talent than ever before. Rare air most never breathe.

You mentioned that you were hoping to live to the 90's.

Yup, we've been blessed for sure after that rocky first 40 years.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You mentioned that you were hoping to live to the 90's.

Gotcha thanks.

Yup, we've been blessed for sure after that rocky first 40 years.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

One of the things that stood out to me during The Brady 6 was when Brady's counselor from Michigan told us that Brady had a very keen respect for authority. That made him the perfect QB for an authoritarian like Belichick. Manning's a knucklehead.

He definitely doesn't have a respect for his opponents...this is why he'll never be MJ, this loss right here. You can tell that when he was complimenting the NYG during this presser that he was full of crap and wasn't being truthful.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I feel like its been discussed on 80% of threads for the last 2 years with no end in sight. The same arguments are brought up and its just one side trashing the other nonstop. It might just be me, but I feel like over the last two years its gotten noticebly bad.

It's not the debates which ruin boards- it's the posters who are are asses during debates that ruin them.

 

[XLIX]

Bucs were lucky to even be in a position to win against the Rams...how often does the center snap the ball over the QB's head leading to a turnover?

It’s absolutely amazing how often you use the word “lucky” to describe Brady…. Yeah, it’s alllllllllllllllllll luck. Just like Jordan and Woods. They are the luckiest guys on the planet….

It's Brady worship. In their world, Brady can do no wrong, despite 3 super bowl losses. If he makes a mistake or loses a game, it's on someone else. When he wins, it's all on him. He's superman!

Your lack of self awareness is absolutely hilarious. You don’t even realize how much you just described yourself. Every Super Bowl the Patriots won was because Belichick came up with a brilliant scheme. Every Super Bowl the Patriots lost was Brady’s fault for playing so poorly.

Andy, thank you for all the laughs you give us!!

 

[XLIX]

One of the things that stood out to me during The Brady 6 was when Brady's counselor from Michigan told us that Brady had a very keen respect for authority. That made him the perfect QB for an authoritarian like Belichick. Manning's a knucklehead.

Manning has my sympathy. On the one hand, he thought he knew more than his coaches and acted accordingly. But on the other hand, looking at who his coaches were, he was totally right to feel that way.

 

[sb1]

He definitely doesn't have a respect for his opponents...this is why he'll never be MJ, this loss right here

You probably think Jordan has respect for his opponents... lol.

What Brady said here is nothing compared to some of the things Jordan said.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It’s absolutely amazing how often you use the word “lucky” to describe Brady…. Yeah, it’s alllllllllllllllllll luck. Just like Jordan and Woods. They are the luckiest guys on the planet….

Your lack of self awareness is absolutely hilarious. You don’t even realize how much you just described yourself. Every Super Bowl the Patriots won was because Belichick came up with a brilliant scheme. Every Super Bowl the Patriots lost was Brady’s fault for playing so poorly.

Andy, thank you for all the laughs you give us!!

Incorrect, he was not responsible for SB 52. I have said that many times before.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You probably think Jordan has respect for his opponents... lol.

What Brady said here is nothing compared to some of the things Jordan said.

Maybe, but he backed it up in all of his NBA Finals series. He was 6 for 6 in NBA finals MVP. If you are going to talk smack about your opponent prior to the game, you'd better show up.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yeah, but don't forget, Dungy was a good regular season coach but not so much in the postseason. Look at Tampa when he left and Gruden came in that first year and took his roster all the way to a championship. As far as the specifics of what he did that held them back, I don't know off the top of my head short of going back and doing some digging. I guess the point I was making is if you pair Brady with Dungy and put Manning with Belichick, would the conversation be different?
Which is sort of the argument I was making about the two being important to each other's success.

One of the things that stood out to me during The Brady 6 was when Brady's counselor from Michigan told us that Brady had a very keen respect for authority. That made him the perfect QB for an authoritarian like Belichick. Manning's a knucklehead.

I mentioned this a few times but Manning and Bill would have been interesting. Especially early on in their careers. Indy asked and had no problem living and dying on Manning's arm. The INT's didn't bother them. They built their entire team around the pass. Not sure how things would play out with Bill. Manning was also a big deal, obviously former #1 overall pick. He had some pull and Dungy isn't exactly confrontational figure. So it was clear who's team it was from the jump. Compare that to the vet locker room we had. Brady almost udfa. Bill not exactly a wallflower.

We definitely hit lightening in a bottle in that respect. I think Bill & Manning would have worked out late in Manning's career but it's interesting to think about how they would have faired early on.

 

[Ian]

Maybe, but he backed it up in all of his NBA Finals series. He was 6 for 6 in NBA finals MVP. If you are going to talk smack about your opponent prior to the game, you'd better show up.

OK, so I have to ask you - because I've been quietly watching this go on for a while now and I'm sort of curious as to what your issue is with Tom? How is being 7-3 in Super Bowls a bad thing...? And in each of the two losses against the Giants, he led them both times for a go-ahead touchdown late in the game before the defense gave up a score in the closing seconds, so while he could have been better, it's not exactly like he was completely terrible. Last I checked, we've had two decades that were far better than what 31 other teams had, so I just don't understand the ire you seem to have with him?

 

[Ian]

He definitely doesn't have a respect for his opponents...this is why he'll never be MJ, this loss right here. You can tell that when he was complimenting the NYG during this presser that he was full of crap and wasn't being truthful.

Also, as someone who followed Jordan very closely during his career, he's not exactly a saint in that area. There was just no social media or youtube back then

 

[XLIX]

Also, as someone who followed Jordan very closely during his career, he's not exactly a saint in that area. There was just no social media or youtube back then

Anyone who thinks Brady has too much hubris would pee their pants if they ever heard tale of a fella named Larry Bird.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Anyone who thinks Brady has too much hubris would pee their pants if they ever heard tale of a fella named Larry Bird.

Mohammad Ali, Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Pedro Martinez, ...yeah, all these guys revered their opponents and would confide in their family before the games to talk about their deep level of respect for their opponents