OT: Tyreek Hill to Miami

[50-yard-line]

I get it. Miami might be in tough shape for a few years but again most teams can maneuver and stay competitive. And after a year or two most books are cleared. It's not this albatross people talk about.

Also I have no problem when teams go "all in" and I've been pretty consistent with that feeling. I have no problem paying elite players, it's a give and take. Very rarely will you see proper value that equals out to a win on paper compared to their peers but you're not competing and especially not winning in the playoffs with a mediocre roster.

It's a make or break year for Tua but that offense is absolutely stacked. Everything is set up for him and as a fan that's really what you want from your team.

If the Pats did something similar to this with Deebo Samuel right now, I'd be ecstatic.

With guys like that, and certainly Tyreek Hill (scumbag though he is), you're talking about true difference-makers. There aren't many of those.

 

[Disco Volante]

I actually think this is a net positive for the Pats.

The Chiefs lose an absolutely essential part of their offense and take a huge hit. The Dolphins take on a huge contract for a player they won't be able to get anywhere near full advantage of because their quarterback sucks.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If the Pats did something similar to this with Deebo Samuel right now, I'd be ecstatic.

With guys like that, and certainly Tyreek Hill (scumbag though he is), you're talking about true difference-makers. There aren't many of those.

Or better yet if we had drafted Deebo Samuel instead of Slow'Keal Harry.

 

[50-yard-line]

Or better yet if we had drafted Deebo Samuel instead of Slow'Keal Harry.

Yes, we all know this - I've said before that had I been drafting for the Pats that year, they would have landed Deebo (or AJ Brown), Metcalk instead of Williams, and Hunter Refrow instead of Hijalte. I said it at the time.

Is there really a reason to crap all over Harry here? He was a missed pick who came into a terrible situation and didn't work through it, pretty obviously.

Also, had they drafted Deebo, they'd be in a situation of pay or lose him very soon (although that would have been a 1st rounder, which means they could option him for that 5th year).

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Before the trade:

KC +175, followed by the Broncos (+250), Chargers (+300) and Raiders (+700)

Not sure if that has changed now at all.

What do you think?

 

[captain stone]

...And last season we couldn't even stop the run; what's gonna happen this season?

This season? We won't be able to stop the pass either.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yeah it make green about the gills thinking about the big whiff on this. Ugh. We are down two CBs, our best two, with only a sixth round pick to show for it. It sure seems like a titanic screwup by the GM of the Patriots....I wonder who that is? And we last season we couldn't even stop the run; what's gonna happen this season?

A 6 this year and #98 next year.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And what is the logic in NOT making these cap saving moves when you can generate assets out of them? Did Kraft hand down a mandate - I will not SPEND any new money this season? Is BB now handcuffed and we don't know it?

I've heard from Reddit that some teams literally rewrite the contract to pay out the signing bonus across the regular season, so it doesn't even impact the cash flow.

I can't say why it's the case, but it just seems that BB is as reticent to move cap space out of next year into this year as he normally is to trade away next year's draft capital to get a rookie this year. About the only conclusion I can draw is that he must feel, for whatever reason, that the team as a whole is better off doing it this way.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Or better yet if we had drafted Deebo Samuel instead of Slow'Keal Harry.

Let’s take a trip down memory lane. It’s easy to ace the test when you already have the answers, amirite?

 

[VJCPatriot]

I was obviously trying to give BB the benefit of a doubt and I was excited we even drafted a WR in the first round, which we never do. Time has proven that BB whiffed completely, and the Harry pick has been rightfully ridiculed given the impressive talent that was left over and taken after him in the 2nd round and later.

Harry's bigger problem is not his 40 time, it's his inability to create separation of any sort. And that comes down to route running, desire, quick twitch, qualities that a 40 time doesn't give the whole picture. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 40 and could run circles around Slow'Keal.

BTW from that same draft year in the thread titled who's your favorite player in the 2019 draft I posted the following:

 

[venecol]

Hill's cap hit is only $6.2M this season. MIA still has about $3.6M in cap space (not incl. Armstead) after all these moves. If they can sign Gesicki to a contract they could free up $8M. It's impressive how they've been able to sign all that talent. I heard they weren't done yet. At least they don't have to worry about saving money for the draft class, lol.

 

[venecol]

mcdaniel might have been the OC, but kyle shanahan was running that offense...

Listened to a guy go over what he thought MIA offensive scheme would be like this season. He said they're going to mainly run the ball and use play action off the run. He said having a guy like Hill helps because he's able to get vertical quickly so defenses have to account for him.

Although there's nothing earth shattering about his take, it's interesting to compare what MIA did this past season w/ SF & NE.

Personnel on Passing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (35%) 1-2 (57%) 2-1 (1%)
SF: 1-1 (61%) 1-2 (7%) 2-1 (29%)
NE: 1-1 (72%) 1-2 (13%) 2-1 (13%)

Personnel on Rushing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (17%) 1-2 (67%) 2-1 (0%)
SF: 1-1 (34%) 1-2 (12%) 2-1 (40%)
NE: 1-1 (37%) 1-2 (15%) 2-1 (36%)

That's quite a difference. I expect we're going to see a totally different MIA offense this season which may continue to give us problems.

 

[Pape]

Listened to a guy go over what he thought MIA offensive scheme would be like this season. He said they're going to mainly run the ball and use play action off the run. He said having a guy like Hill helps because he's able to get vertical quickly so defenses have to account for him.

Although there's nothing earth shattering about his take, it's interesting to compare what MIA did this past season w/ SF & NE.

Personnel on Passing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (35%) 1-2 (57%) 2-1 (1%)
SF: 1-1 (61%) 1-2 (7%) 2-1 (29%)
NE: 1-1 (72%) 1-2 (13%) 2-1 (13%)

Personnel on Rushing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (17%) 1-2 (67%) 2-1 (0%)
SF: 1-1 (34%) 1-2 (12%) 2-1 (40%)
NE: 1-1 (37%) 1-2 (15%) 2-1 (36%)

That's quite a difference. I expect we're going to see a totally different MIA offense this season which may continue to give us problems.

Nice break down

Make or break year for tua... needs to play 17 games this season.... I do wonder if the new talent in Miami leads to a different rpo % for Tua ... or will they continue that trend... 30% of Tuas pass attempts were from the rpo which is sky high imo

 

[masterbouncer]

Nice break down

Make or break year for tua... needs to play 17 games this season.... I do wonder if the new talent in Miami leads to a different rpo % for Tua ... or will they continue that trend... 30% of Tuas pass attempts were from the rpo which is sky high imo

they'll increase it to 50%, just dump it of to Weddle or Hill and let them do their magic mix it up with some dump offs to the TEs/RBs as well and see how it works, don't expect him to be accurate or having a strong arm enough to push it downfield to use their speed on the outside

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Nice break down

Make or break year for tua... needs to play 17 games this season.... I do wonder if the new talent in Miami leads to a different rpo % for Tua ... or will they continue that trend... 30% of Tuas pass attempts were from the rpo which is sky high imo

I suspect it'll stat that high and was going to post as much. Tua is limited but he's excellent at a few things and running the RPO is one of them. That plus the fact that the league still has a tough time defending them is all the reason you need to keep it that high. They'll stretch the hell out of teams on the perimeter with screens, quick outs and a few outside the #'s shots which should only help.

 

[PatsFan2]

Listened to a guy go over what he thought MIA offensive scheme would be like this season. He said they're going to mainly run the ball and use play action off the run. He said having a guy like Hill helps because he's able to get vertical quickly so defenses have to account for him.

Although there's nothing earth shattering about his take, it's interesting to compare what MIA did this past season w/ SF & NE.

Personnel on Passing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (35%) 1-2 (57%) 2-1 (1%)
SF: 1-1 (61%) 1-2 (7%) 2-1 (29%)
NE: 1-1 (72%) 1-2 (13%) 2-1 (13%)

Personnel on Rushing Plays:

MIA: 1-1 (17%) 1-2 (67%) 2-1 (0%)
SF: 1-1 (34%) 1-2 (12%) 2-1 (40%)
NE: 1-1 (37%) 1-2 (15%) 2-1 (36%)

That's quite a difference. I expect we're going to see a totally different MIA offense this season which may continue to give us problems.

Hill - Waddle - Parker even the Great BB can't scheme against that ok we might contain two of them but one is going Beat us every time. We don't have the personnel to match up: remember Buffalo didn't punt and JC Jackson was on the field. My point is personnel matter when Teams have superior talent you can't double everybody we're going really miss JC Jackson. And for those who think the Older Malcolm Butler is the answer I have a piece of the Brooklyn bridge to sell ya's.

 

[notex]

Welp now they are saying Brady trying to force a trade to Miami

 

[Guts]

Welp now they are saying Brady trying to force a trade to Miami

 

[Toofy]

Yes, we all know this - I've said before that had I been drafting for the Pats that year, they would have landed Deebo (or AJ Brown), Metcalk instead of Williams, and Hunter Refrow instead of Hijalte. I said it at the time.

Is there really a reason to crap all over Harry here? He was a missed pick who came into a terrible situation and didn't work through it, pretty obviously.

Also, had they drafted Deebo, they'd be in a situation of pay or lose him very soon (although that would have been a 1st rounder, which means they could option him for that 5th year).

If deebo and Metcalf were here, brady would still be on the pats . That's how big the impact is.

 

[Grogan14]

The Chiefs will be just fine without Hill. They signed JuJu and Scantling and have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds in a WR heavy draft. Mahomes will adapt, no problem and their running game will be much better next year (signing Ronald Jones).