OT: Tyreek Hill to Miami

[PatsFan2]

I totally forgot that Miami have Teddy Bridgewater on their roster didn't he use to throw to Stefan Diggs and Adam Thielen before they became prominent? There is no way Bridgewater can't beat out Tua.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

So the chiefs have a chance of not winning their division right? They still have mahomes but every other team in their division is stacked. And that offense isn't as scary with Kelce/juju as it is with Hill.

Maybe the cap isn't crap overall when KC and green bay have to get worse because their QBs make crazy money

The "cap isn't crap", it's real but hardly an obstacle imo. These contracts have built-in safety parachutes. Written very specifically. Most are short term, very rarely do we see long term signings. Coupled with the cap consistently increasing its extremely tough to end up in "cap hell." Those that have are few and far between and do it knowingly like the Saints. Make know mistake they're choosing the here and now over the future. And again those examples seem to be very few.

Most of the time "cap hell" is the equivalent to eating steak at home instead of at a nice steakhouse. The term just doesn't capture the experience imo. It's real but there's no many ways to get around it if you want.

 

[captain stone]

So the chiefs have a legit chance of not winning their division right? They still have mahomes but every other team in their division is stacked. And that offense isn't as scary with Kelce/juju as it is with Hill.

Maybe the cap isn't crap overall when KC and green bay have to get worse because their QBs make crazy money

Unfortunately, the Queefs have a LOT of draft picks now; and you can bet your sweet bippy that At least Two of them will be used on WRs, including one on Day 2... if not Day 1...

Another unfortunate likelihood is that, as much as I despise him and wish for nothing but bad things to happen to him, Mahomey will take a couple of new WRs and make them better than they would be elsewhere... Kinda like some other QB used to do somewhere...

 

[captain stone]

He got over $12 more Mill guaranteed that's a lot of money if you intend to maximize your value. I not going to fault Hill for for taking more: the man has to feed his family...

If not kill it first... allegedly...

 

[crawhammer]

Tua is awful.

According to his numbers, he's not that bad... decent completion percentage, low-ish INT%, 90.1 passer rating last season... he's comparable with Mac jones. Hill and Waddle are going to be nightmare for defensive coordinators. Plus Parker and they added Cedrick Wilson which gives them great depth at WR. Gesicki at TE. Raheem Mostert, Chase Edmonds and Myles Gaskin at RB... all good receiving backs. Mostert if healthy is a beast running the ball as well... 5.7 Y/A for his career (284 rushes). Miami has surrounded Tua with an exceptional supporting cast so I would give him a decent chance of being successful... 4000-4200 passing yards, 25-30 TDs, low turnovers.

I have Miami finishing second in the division at this point. Buffalo is going to win the division easily.

 

[Patnation21]

According to his numbers, he's not that bad... decent completion percentage, low-ish INT%, 90.1 passer rating last season... he's comparable with Mac jones. Hill and Waddle are going to be nightmare for defensive coordinators. Plus Parker and they added Cedrick Wilson which gives them great depth at WR. Gesicki at TE. Raheem Mostert, Chase Edmonds and Myles Gaskin at RB... all good receiving backs. Mostert if healthy is a beast running the ball as well... 5.7 Y/A for his career (284 rushes). Miami has surrounded Tua with an exceptional supporting cast so I would give him a decent chance of being successful... 4000-4200 passing yards, 25-30 TDs, low turnovers.

I have Miami finishing second in the division at this point. Buffalo is going to win the division easily.

I agree.

The Tua is terrible take is weird to me. He's not nearly as bad as most people make him out to be and as you mentioned his numbers show that. You can bet he's going to be much better next year with all those weapons.

I have Miami in second as well. I don't think they can win the division, Buffalo has destroyed them badly for two years in a row. I still see Buffalo beating them but maybe not as bad.

The Jets have made some improvements as well and if Zach Wilson can take a step forward they should be a bit better. I still have them in 4th in the division but they'll win some games.

 

[PatsFan2]

Tua is awful.

But have a winning record against the GOAT of HC's go figure.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

According to his numbers, he's not that bad... decent completion percentage, low-ish INT%, 90.1 passer rating last season... he's comparable with Mac jones. Hill and Waddle are going to be nightmare for defensive coordinators. Plus Parker and they added Cedrick Wilson which gives them great depth at WR. Gesicki at TE. Raheem Mostert, Chase Edmonds and Myles Gaskin at RB... all good receiving backs. Mostert if healthy is a beast running the ball as well... 5.7 Y/A for his career (284 rushes). Miami has surrounded Tua with an exceptional supporting cast so I would give him a decent chance of being successful... 4000-4200 passing yards, 25-30 TDs, low turnovers.

I have Miami finishing second in the division at this point. Buffalo is going to win the division easily.

They can have better offensive talent and better numbers, but it still will boil down to weekly matchups, injuries, execution, coaching. I'm not conceding anything to the Dolphins, or even the Bills. All of us now have tough schedules.

 

[crawhammer]

They can have better offensive talent and better numbers, but it still will boil down to weekly matchups, injuries, execution, coaching. I'm not conceding anything to the Dolphins, or even the Bills. All of us now have tough schedules.

The West is going to knock the sh*t out of one another, perhaps the most exciting division in league history, literally every matchup is terrific. 11 wins might take that division. Josh Allen was ridiculously outstanding in the postseason and I think he's ready to go next level elite-ness next season... looking at Buffalo's schedule for 2022 I see 13 wins in there, which likely will be #1 seed. If they face anyone but Brady in the Super Bowl then they'll win it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

In talks with Jete and Dolphins

Chiefs granted Tyreek Hill permission to seek a trade

Patrick Mahomes could join Aaron Rodgers in the club of QBs who have lost their best wide receiver this offseason.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

I hope he goes to the Jets. They always manage to fail. Hill would be mildly terrifying on the Dolphins because we always struggle against them for whatever reason, especially @Miami.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I hope he goes to the Jets. They always manage to fail. Hill would be mildly terrifying on the Dolphins because we always struggle against them for whatever reason, especially @Miami.

Too late...he's a dolphin. where have you been?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Too late...he's a dolphin. where have you been?

I just checked the article. So the Dolphins give up a 1st, 2nd, 2x 4ths, and a 6th round pick PLUS they pay him 30m per year? That's a hell of a HAUL!

That's what an elite WR goes for these days?

And you're seriously telling me the Patriots couldn't have extracted some draft capital by tagging and trading a top playmaking CB like JC Jackson?

And we only got a 5th round pick for the likes of pro bowl lineman Shaq Mason?

*SMH* Asset management BB!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The "cap isn't crap", it's real but hardly an obstacle imo. These contracts have built-in safety parachutes. Written very specifically. Most are short term, very rarely do we see long term signings.

e.g., As OverTheCap.com put it:
The final year of [Tyreek Hill's] contract is effectively a void year used to inflate the annual value of the contract from $25 million per year to $30 million per year.

His salary that year is $43.9M.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And you're seriously telling me the Patriots couldn't have extracted some draft capital by tagging and trading a top playmaking CB like JC Jackson? etc.

• They have been extremely reluctant to make what would seem "obvious" moves to create cap room for this season, like reworking Matt Judon's contract.
• They didn't have the cap room to franchise tag him without making such moves.

 

[PatsFan2]

Some Team would have gave us something for JC Jackson who was a very close tor the Top FA talent. This was a weak CB FA class and BB had the best CB talent available in Jackson who should have been tagged then Traded.

 

[VJCPatriot]

• They have been extremely reluctant to make what would seem "obvious" moves to create cap room for this season, like reworking Matt Judon's contract.
• They didn't have the cap room to franchise tag him without making such moves.

And what is the logic in NOT making these cap saving moves when you can generate assets out of them? Did Kraft hand down a mandate - I will not SPEND any new money this season? Is BB now handcuffed and we don't know it?

 

[PatsFan2]

And what is the logic in NOT making these cap saving moves when you can generate assets out of them? Did Kraft hand down a mandate - I will not SPEND any new money this season? Is BB now handcuffed and we don't know it?

Interesting thought: that said I Love the Judon - Henry and Bourne signings. We didn't get our moneys worth for others who ain't getting peanuts for salary. They are going to have to hope for dividends from some of those guys but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Too bad the Pats didn't/couldn't/wouldn't tag and trade JCJ. If Hill got a first rounder back in this market I'm sure the Pats could have gotten something good.

Yeah it makes me green about the gills thinking about the big whiff on this. Ugh. We are down two CBs, our best two, with only a sixth round pick to show for it. It sure seems like a titanic screwup by the GM of the Patriots....I wonder who that is? And last season we couldn't even stop the run; what's gonna happen this season?

 

[JarOfMayo51]

defending against Hill 2x or more a year is going to be a headache.. but i try to look at the bright side, thats more opportunities for someone to blow his knee out

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

e.g., As OverTheCap.com put it:
The final year of [Tyreek Hill's] contract is effectively a void year used to inflate the annual value of the contract from $25 million per year to $30 million per year.

His salary that year is $43.9M.

I get it. Miami might be in tough shape for a few years but again most teams can maneuver and stay competitive. And after a year or two most books are cleared. It's not this albatross people talk about.

Also I have no problem when teams go "all in" and I've been pretty consistent with that feeling. I have no problem paying elite players, it's a give and take. Very rarely will you see proper value that equals out to a win on paper compared to their peers but you're not competing and especially not winning in the playoffs with a mediocre roster.

It's a make or break year for Tua but that offense is absolutely stacked. Everything is set up for him and as a fan that's really what you want from your team.