2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Consensus Big Board


Pretty much done with film. Need athletic testing to finish the grades but if I had to guess where I'm at ...

Rush
KT
Hutch
Johnson
Walker
Karlaftis
Williams
Cam Thomas
Mafe
Z Carter
Sanders


IDL
Leal
Davis
Jones
Winfrey
Wyatt
Hinton
Butler
Farrell
Butler
Booker


CB
Stingley/Booth
McDuffie/Elam
Gardner
Gordon
McCreary
Kendrick
Bryant
Taylor-Britt
Taylor


LB
Dean
Lloyd
Clark
Chenal
Muma
Harris
McFadden
Smith
Asamoah
Campbell


OT
Neal
Cross
Icky
Smith
Penning
Nicholas Petit-Frere
Sean Rhyan
Rasheed Walker
Darian Kinnard
Abraham Lucas


IOL
Tyler Linderbaum
Zion Johnson
Kenyon Green
Jamaree Salyer
Josh Sills
Dohnovan West
Thayer Munford
Chris Paul
Ed Ingram
Ben Brown


Saf
Kyle Hamilton
Jaquan Brisker
Daxton Hill
Lewis Cine
Leon O’Neal Jr
Bryan Cook
Yusuf Corker
Verone McKinley
Nick Cross
Quentin Lake


WR
Treylon Burks
J Williams / Wilson
Chris Olave
Jahan Dotson
London
Braylon Sanders
Jalen Tolbert
Ross
Bell
Pickens


RB
Kenneth Walker
Breece Hall / Isaiah Spiller
Kyren Williams
Brian Robinson
James Cook
Rachaad White
Dameon Pierce
Tyler Allgeier
Max Borghi


QB
Carson Strong
Kenny Pickett / Desmond Ridder
Sam Howell
Matt Corral
Malik Willis
Bailey Zappe
Chase Garbers
Kaleb Eleby
Jack Coan


TE
Trey McBride
Jeremy Ruckert
Jalen Wydermeyer / Greg Dulcich
Charlie Kolar
Jake Ferguson
Isaiah Likely
Jelani Woods
Daniel Bellinger
Grant Calcaterra

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Thanks for this!

I was surprised that you didn’t list Olave on your spreadsheet, because you do seem to like him as a player, based upon your write-up. Is that because he is almost certainly going to be drafted in the first round but you wouldn’t want the Patriots to use 21 on him?

Yea I went back & forth on Olave but I have to add him. I will it makes too much sense.

Also, can we assume that you are not high on Drake London, at least for the Patriots system?

Still kind of finishing up so haven't looked at too many rankings or draft stuff yet. So not sure if I'm higher or lower but I think I'll have a 2nd on him. Just put out a rough guess of where I might be after finishing up.

As for us I'm not sure tbh. Really like his movements for a big dude. Really nice balance and toughness. Very smart and quick attacking the ball. Takes great angles, times it up nice. Hes a really good prospect. I wouldn't hate him in the 2nd but not sure he'll make it that far and don't think he's worth a 1st. That's something I struggle with bc im trying to keep a small realistic board.

I may add him. I'm going to review it soon to look for names to get rid of and get it up to date.

 

[pazrul72]

Consensus Big Board


Pretty much done with film. Need athletic testing to finish the grades but if I had to guess where I'm at ...

Rush
KT
Hutch
Johnson
Walker
Karlaftis
Williams
Cam Thomas
Mafe
Z Carter
Sanders


IDL
Leal
Davis
Jones
Winfrey
Wyatt
Hinton
Butler
Farrell
Butler
Booker


CB
Stingley/Booth
McDuffie/Elam
Gardner
Gordon
McCreary
Kendrick
Bryant
Taylor-Britt
Taylor


LB
Dean
Lloyd
Clark
Chenal
Muma
Harris
McFadden
Smith
Asamoah
Campbell


OT
Neal
Cross
Icky
Smith
Penning
Nicholas Petit-Frere
Sean Rhyan
Rasheed Walker
Darian Kinnard
Abraham Lucas


IOL
Tyler Linderbaum
Zion Johnson
Kenyon Green
Jamaree Salyer
Josh Sills
Dohnovan West
Thayer Munford
Chris Paul
Ed Ingram
Ben Brown


Saf
Kyle Hamilton
Jaquan Brisker
Daxton Hill
Lewis Cine
Leon O’Neal Jr
Bryan Cook
Yusuf Corker
Verone McKinley
Nick Cross
Quentin Lake


WR
Treylon Burks
J Williams / Wilson
Chris Olave
Jahan Dotson
London
Braylon Sanders
Jalen Tolbert
Ross
Bell
Pickens


RB
Kenneth Walker
Breece Hall / Isaiah Spiller
Kyren Williams
Brian Robinson
James Cook
Rachaad White
Dameon Pierce
Tyler Allgeier
Max Borghi


QB
Carson Strong
Kenny Pickett / Desmond Ridder
Sam Howell
Matt Corral
Malik Willis
Bailey Zappe
Chase Garbers
Kaleb Eleby
Jack Coan


TE
Trey McBride
Jeremy Ruckert
Jalen Wydermeyer / Greg Dulcich
Charlie Kolar
Jake Ferguson
Isaiah Likely
Jelani Woods
Daniel Bellinger
Grant Calcaterra

This is really helpful to see names and positions that are going to be first rounders so I can at least figure out who to be familiar with. One question about Adam Hutchinson, everyone except Bleacher Report (I'm assuming?) Has him at 1 or 2. They have him at 12. I can understand someone being like oh I have him at 4 cuz I value pass rush or offensive firepower more but why is there that big a drop? Are they just really bad at predicting things? The lone wolf in a giant echo chamber? They are also ALOT higher on Jordon davis then anyone else and thats the guy I am hoping and praying falls to 21 as I think a legit fat ass NT opens up SO many things for the defense. Though I wouldnt cry if they got a sideline to sideline LB to pair with Bentley either

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This is really helpful to see names and positions that are going to be first rounders so I can at least figure out who to be familiar with. One question about Adam Hutchinson, everyone except Bleacher Report (I'm assuming?) Has him at 1 or 2. They have him at 12. I can understand someone being like oh I have him at 4 cuz I value pass rush or offensive firepower more but why is there that big a drop? Are they just really bad at predicting things? The lone wolf in a giant echo chamber? They are also ALOT higher on Jordon davis then anyone else and thats the guy I am hoping and praying falls to 21 as I think a legit fat ass NT opens up SO many things for the defense. Though I wouldnt cry if they got a sideline to sideline LB to pair with Bentley either

So I believe the B/R scouting is made up of a few different people looking at different positions so that might have something to do with it. I know the guy that's doing OL is very smart but very new to scouting college prospects.

Another thing is it's the draft class. This class is very much "eye of the beholder" as there's just not a lot of top heavy talent so teams will go in their own direction, lots of projection in this class.

I think the Chargers have to be eyeing Davis but I think there's a 50/50 chance he's there at 21. I've been pounding the table for DL so I wouldn't mind it.

 

[PWRxWLF]

What's up Ken, hope all is well old man! Killing them at the tables? Any hot tips for March Madness?

Not sure we disagree but there's a limited number of prospects actually worth a first round pick. At the end of the day you want proper value for your picks and round one is the hardest round to get equal value imo. Again considering there's only 8-15 guys worth a first or that earn that type of grade. So I'm down with trading back but if we're at 21 and there's a WR worth it I might be incline for reasons I'll get to later. Anyway
I understand "planet theory" and subscribe if worth it. That said I'm not taking a 2nd RD talent > 1st RD talent especially if the value and need meet. In this case, Burks or Williams - skill sets we don't currently have on the team.

I could get behind Davis bc he's a potential game changer on 1st & 2nd down. Could potentially allow for some creativity and a nice cushion on 3rd but again I have to go with who's graded the highest on the board coupled with "need" and at some point we're going to need to add to this group. It's good to really good but adding a top flight WR is different today than 10-25 years ago. Where only a select number of guys could really take over a game. Today there's athletes everywhere you look. Most are more advanced in terms of r/r and reading coverage. Able to take advantage of soft defenses and rules that favor the offense. There's more advantage now in having top tier WR's on your squad.

We need guys that can win downfield, create on their own and dictate coverage. All three can do that and more. And more importantly help maximize Mac on a cheap contract. That's the most important thing right now.

Also if you follow your thoughts or argument above to its conclusion you'll almost never hit on those types taking WR's from the 4th-7th round. If you really want production you have to invest in the first few rounds. Most of best and really good are gone, as we've seen. You'll have you're outliers but if you want a good-great WR you really have invest top 100 capital.

Davis is so intriguing bc he's potentially a one man gang on the los. And there's a reason Bill stuck by Wilfork until just about the very end. Having one guy like that. That can control, reset, collapse and consistently 2 gap, take on doubles is valuable but more so when you're running a 34 okie like Bill has been.

I'm a big Jones fan though. Local kid so I'm sure we'll have a solid grasp on him.

I really wouldn't double dipping on the DL unless we bring back Flowers or Jones. Probably more likely Flowers. Than it'll make sense to take a shot later in rounds 3-5 where we usually take those types. Again those I wouldn't mind taking Jermaine Johnson at 21 and possibly trading up for Davis if he falls past us or maybe Jones in the 2nd. Best CB/WR/LB available after that.

Check out Jermaine Johnson and Travon Walker. Those two could be pretty good. Walker has quick, almost sped up movements - twitchy. Can rush the arc from the 3/4i/5/6/ tech. Flexible and strong as ****. He'll be walking around at 285-290 very soon. Lot to learn as a pass rusher but he's a big time building block up front. Super strong heavy hands that good improve on technique - counters, general hand fighting.

Johnson is a classic PTP end. 6'4/265 34+ arms and really knows how to use his length and gain leverage! His ability to play from his hips up is impressive. He really knows how to generate power and force from his lower half. Really good run defender that could improve his hands and work on keeping off his chest quicker. More refined than Walker in a lot of ways. Not as much upside but a little more NFL ready imo but again I think both could be great.

For CB check out Booth, Elam, McDuffie, McCreary and Gordon. I think all are big time PTP and our types.

I would **** myself if we were able to land Walker. He could play all over the line and as you said, has so much room to grow physically and his toolbox. Everything I’ve read had him going so much higher in the first rd though. Do you think there is an actual chance he falls? If he does and Bill can find a way to get Walker and Jones, DL will have a ton of promise going forward. From everything else I’ve read from you and some others, this draft appears to have a lot of depth in CB’s. Does this mean we could wait and get a solid PTP after the first 2 picks, or will they all get snatched up earlier making the front 7 guys fall? We definitely need to invest in our DB’s, but it’s amazing what kind of a trickle down effect a great DL has on everyone else. LB’s can roam more freely, DB’s have to cover less time etc..

*Just saw the big board you posted after I posted this here. That’s interesting, I hadn’t seen any of the ones mentioned having Walker fall so low. That’s a helluva big difference there.

 

[JMC00]

I was surprised that you didn’t list Olave

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Check out Jermaine Johnson and Travon Walker. Those two could be pretty good. Walker has quick, almost sped up movements - twitchy. Can rush the arc from the 3/4i/5/6/ tech. Flexible and strong as ****. He'll be walking around at 285-290 very soon. Lot to learn as a pass rusher but he's a big time building block up front. Super strong heavy hands that good improve on technique - counters, general hand fighting.

Johnson is a classic PTP end. 6'4/265 34+ arms and really knows how to use his length and gain leverage! His ability to play from his hips up is impressive. He really knows how to generate power and force from his lower half. Really good run defender that could improve his hands and work on keeping off his chest quicker. More refined than Walker in a lot of ways. Not as much upside but a little more NFL ready imo but again I think both could be great.

We saw Judon fall off at the end of the year. I assume that teams chipped and double teamed him because the opposing DE was weak. I think that makes a strong case for Walker or Johnson. Can Wyatt create the pressure to free up Judon? I do not know the answer, but we need pressure on 3rd down and the whole situation will change.

We allowed too many yards up the middle so there is a strong case for a DT also. But that will not free up Judon like a "pressure" guy will. I think we need both. WR and CB after a double dip on the DL.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I would **** myself if we were able to land Walker. He could play all over the line and as you said, has so much room to grow physically and his toolbox. Everything I’ve read had him going so much higher in the first rd though. Do you think there is an actual chance he falls? If he does and Bill can find a way to get Walker and Jones, DL will have a ton of promise going forward. From everything else I’ve read from you and some others, this draft appears to have a lot of depth in CB’s. Does this mean we could wait and get a solid PTP after the first 2 picks, or will they all get snatched up earlier making the front 7 guys fall? We definitely need to invest in our DB’s, but it’s amazing what kind of a trickle down effect a great DL has on everyone else. LB’s can roam more freely, DB’s have to cover less time etc..

*Just saw the big board you posted after I posted this here. That’s interesting, I hadn’t seen any of the ones mentioned having Walker fall so low. That’s a helluva big difference there.

Yea I think this draft has lots of "projection picks" that should make it interesting. Sometimes the picture is pretty clear and other times you really have to do some work on a guy and even then you still might be relying on past experience and similar situations to fall back on.
I think you'll see a lot of different opinions early on bc it won't be as easy for teams without "safe" picks for them. They'll have to do a little digging and maybe go out on a limb with someone who hasn't been seen/mocked that high but that's the draft. More projection than usual, very little consensus in each group.

Yea a love Walkers movements for such a big dude. I love big dudes that can rush 1/2 man from inside and he has pretty good flexibility for 6'5/280. He's shown nice flexibility rushing from 4i/5T.

I could see a number of scenarios with DB tbh bc of JC & Dev. I really wouldn't be surprised to see Brisker or Hill selected. Or Booth and Elam the are classic outside guys we like in the Talib, Browner mold. Obviously McDuffie but yea I've said a few times there will be a lot of guys on day 2 & 3 that fit our mold. More depth & fits than other positions. Who knows there's going to be at least 5 CB worthy of a first and 3 Saf so we'll plenty of choices in round 1 too.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

If BB is going with a WR it has to be one who can beat press man constantly.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Surprise! Surprise! An article that the Patriots are looking at a WR. I would do the same thing if I was a reporter - it gets more clicks. Patriots talk to WR every draft. A WR would not have helped in those last two Buffalo games.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What can you tell us about some of this year’s draft class. Who could maybe open some NFL scouts’ eyes?

(Jaquan) Brisker and Arnold (Ebiketie), they’re freaks. They’re going to do really well. The scouts know they’re going to do really well. … Brisker. he’ll run a low 4.3, I think. Maybe he’ll crack into the high 4.2s, but he’d really have to have everything lining up right for that. But he’s gonna be a burner. They’re gonna love him.

I think Jesse (Luketa) is gonna surprise some people. Jesse’s never been a burner. He’s been a mid 4.7 guy, but I really wouldn’t be surprised, if he keeps his body weight where it needs to be, if he runs a mid 4.6. That’s really what we’re hoping for. For a D-end that’s pretty darn good.

 

[upstater1]

Safety is going to have a run of players, because there are only 4 guys who seem to be top caliber. After Cine, you're just taking a shot in the dark.

 

[SteveKiner]

Sorry for the delay in responding. Busy day at work today.
I watched some of the Senior Bowl week stuff and thought Wyatt had a great week. My favorite SEC team is UGA and I spent a little time watching him. I thought he was okay in 2020(even being a covid year)and honestly don't remember him from 2019. I thought he had a great year this year. Very quick. Teamed nicely with Davis as kind of a Thunder/Lightning duo. I thought Wyatt actually looked better than Davis in some of the games down the stretch. He does not have the strength of Davis(who does?) but I thought he he was able to anchor well on the inside and played everywhere from 0-7 technique. I was very impressed with his initial quickness getting into the blocker/ shooting the gap. I think he needs work on his hands, but so do most college DL's. One of the people I discuss college football with and critique games actually thinks Wyatt will be a better pro than Davis. I know kind of apples and oranges, but I could see Wyatt developing into a very good 3 down interior pass rusher. very quick twitch. needs to develop some more pass rush moves. He is a large person 315 or so but moves like someone much smaller. Great motor. I hate to use this comparison especially since the comp was a bust, but he reminds me of a Dominique Easley with 50 more pounds. I attribute Easley's bust status due to his injuries. Wyatt has the same quick shoot the gap style without the bad knees and 50 more pounds to help anchor. I think you meant to say "he is toast because of his total LACK of power, but I rarely saw him getting pushed around and thought he dominated everyone he went against versus Alabama. I think Bryce Young is still seeing Wyatt in his nightmares and the Alabama OL was good. I also thought Wyatt really showed what he could do against the top talent the week of the Senior Bowl. According to what I saw and some of the scouts like Jeremiah said, Wyatt was unblockable at times. I didn't see him getting pushed around much at all. Bottom Line, I would love to see the Pats double dip with UGA DL's but the chance of that happening are probably less than me winning powerball. Yes, I was very excited when the Pats drafted Easley bad knee and all so take that as a sign of my scouting capabilities.

2022 Patriots Draft Profile: Georgia DT Devonte Wyatt Could Fix Concerning Run Defense - Sports Illustrated New England Patriots News, Analysis and More

Georgia Bulldog Devonte Wyatt is an elite defender who could provide a dynamic duo playing next to Christian Barmore for the New England Patriots.

www.si.com

SI's scouting report on Wyatt. Not sure if Kevin Tame know what he is talking about but I saw much of the same things.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

We saw Judon fall off at the end of the year. I assume that teams chipped and double teamed him because the opposing DE was weak. I think that makes a strong case for Walker or Johnson. Can Wyatt create the pressure to free up Judon? I do not know the answer, but we need pressure on 3rd down and the whole situation will change.

We allowed too many yards up the middle so there is a strong case for a DT also. But that will not free up Judon like a "pressure" guy will. I think we need both. WR and CB after a double dip on the DL.

He's always been a bit inconsistent setting an edge but makes up for it in the run game in other areas. The second half of last season was more noticeable imo though.
Personally, maybe selfishly, I want a pass rushing end like Leal or Wyatt bc if we hit it would leave tackles 1 on 1 on the outside.
If we don't get a Flowers or Jones back I would love Johnson or Walker in the 1st, maybe Karlaftis? Or Sam Williams, Mafe, Ebiketie in the 2nd/3rd. All those guys I just mentioned in the could play OLB here I believe. Ebiketie is a slasher, knifes through the line to play the run. He'll play the run on the way to the QB and has to get stronger to be able to hold up at the poa consistently.

I'm all for Edge/Rush and IDL back to back though. I want this front seven to scare some QB's.

Surprise! Surprise! An article that the Patriots are looking at a WR. I would do the same thing if I was a reporter - it gets more clicks. Patriots talk to WR every draft. A WR would not have helped in those last two Buffalo games.

Its all about maximizing Mac on a cheap contract. Also the offense struggled to score 20 in most of our loses. An offense that depends almost entirely on the QB. Wouldn't hurt to help him out.
Top tier WR's are the biggest playmakers on offense in today's game with the possible exception of a prime Gronk, Kittle, Kelce ... Can't ignore what's been going on around the league. Between the athleticism at the position, rules favoring the offense and the trickle down effect it would have on other targets is very real.

Plus we've met with like 10 WR's in 10 minutes since in Indy. We're at least interested.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[DaBruinz]

Looking forward to the testing today.. I think it's ridiculous how they've changed it so that ALL the physical activities are on one day for a particular group. Surest way, imho, to get players NOT to participate.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Looking forward to the testing today.. I think it's ridiculous how they've changed it so that ALL the physical activities are on one day for a particular group. Surest way, imho, to get players NOT to participate.

Yep. Also, remember when it started at 9a.m. instead of 4p.m.? I'm impatient!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Jameson WIlliams is the kind of player Bill likes...injured top 10 choice who falls into his lap at 21.

 

[Scotty]

Yep. Also, remember when it started at 9a.m. instead of 4p.m.? I'm impatient!

Yip...9pm over here so will probably catch up in the morning.....chores will have to wait