Joe Judge close to returning to NE

[Foxypats]

Not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand he knows the system but on the other hand I was hoping for some new blood inserted in what has become a quite predictable offense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand he knows the system but on the other hand I was hoping for some new blood inserted in what has become a quite predictable offense.

If Judge is the de facto OC I'm not happy.

 

[venecol]

My guess is Judge helps out on offense and ST. I feel like if he was gonna be the OC, he'd be the OC, not "Offensive Assistant". Could be wrong, though.

Thinking this through more... Judge was the ST Coach and also Wide Receivers Coach before going to NYG... Who is the current Wide Receivers Coach? Mick Lombardi, who is probably in consideration for the Offensive Coordinator role. I'm wondering if perhaps they intend to give Lombardi a try as the OC without giving him the title right away, and are bringing in a guy like Judge who can help pick up the slack at WRs Coach and also contribute on Special Teams too. They have Troy Brown too who was just also given the title of Wide Receivers/Kick Returners Coach in 2021.

So Judge will work for Lombardi, who has never called plays? Lol

 

[PatsFan2]

I will say if we can get a superior Talent on Offense like a legit #1 or 2 WR it wont matter who our OC is. But if the powers to be are going in with the current corps good luck they are going to need it.

 

[PatsFan2]

So Judge will work for Lombardi, who has never called plays? Lol

BB throwing crap at the wall and hoping something sticks.

 

[venecol]

My guess is Judge helps out on offense and ST. I feel like if he was gonna be the OC, he'd be the OC, not "Offensive Assistant". Could be wrong, though.

In order for him to be OC, Bill would need to interview a minority candidate first. Given his texts and the lawsuit, who would he interview that wouldn't consider it a sham interview.

 

[venecol]

I will say if we can get a superior Talent on Offense like a legit #1 or 2 WR it wont matter who our OC is. But if the powers to be are going in with the current corps good luck they are going to need it.

Who's calling the plays? The WR #1? The 2nd year QB? Any of the existing positional coaches w/ no experience calling plays?

The only people w/ play calling exp are Little Steven (D only) and Judge (failed HC of #31 offense 2 years in a row).

 

[PatsFan2]

Who's calling the plays? The WR #1? The 2nd year QB? Any of the existing positional coaches w/ no experience calling plays?

The only people w/ play calling exp are Little Steven (D only) and Judge (failed HC of #31 offense 2 years in a row).

Seems like Pats fans are playing Judge no pun jury and executioner here regarding the Judge hiring. Let's give the Judge a chance a competent OC is the least of our problems our Talent on Offense is just too paltry. That said maybe Mac is a Brady like student of the game who would be allowed to call or change some plays. Learning from a Defensive minded HC is an advantage for a young QB.

 

[crawhammer]

The Joe Judge hire is a headscratcher, especially as an offensive assistant or worse as the unnamed OC. NYG's offense was really bad with JJ as the HC. Like much worse that it even was with Pat Surmur who got fired for being inept. NYG had the 18th ranked passing offense in '19 when Daniel Jones as a rookie posted respectable numbers. Their passing offense sunk to 29th and 31st under Judge and now DJ looks like a bust. NYG's defense also completely crapped out under Judge.

This hire feels a little too much like Matt Patricia 2.0. Generally I liked to see BB invest in some experienced proven coaches for his staff, especially with the coordinator spots. I don't think Patricia or Judge are the guys I want working closely with Mac Jones.

 

[Triumph]

So, my sister recently had back surgery and her physical therapist worked for the Pats. He worked on Gronks back and knows him quite well. Im not sure if he is still with the team, but he just told my sister that Joe Judge is very qualified and has a stellar reputation inside the walls of Gillette stadium. The perfect man for the job were his exacts words. Smart, respected, tireless worker of course. Said that Joe is a real good guy and does not possess a volatile personality like some coaches do.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So, my sister recently had back surgery and her physical therapist worked for the Pats. He worked on Gronks back and knows him quite well. Im not sure if he is still with the team, but he just told my sister that Joe Judge is very qualified and has a stellar reputation inside the walls of Gillette stadium. The perfect man for the job were his exacts words. Smart, respected, tireless worker of course. Said that Joe is a real good guy and does not possess a volatile personality like some coaches do.

I've seen Joe Judge break down film before with the NYG and he seems to know what he's talking about. I just don't know what happened in NY though. I guess you can be a smart football guy but without strong management ability you are going to fail as an HC.

 

[Zuma]

I've seen Joe Judge break down film before with the NYG and he seems to know what he's talking about. I just don't know what happened in NY though. I guess you can be a smart football guy without strong management ability you are going to fail as an HC.

But their are a lot of talent evaluators here that say Judge will fail at calling offensive plays because he failed at HC like Bill did his 1st time.

 

[sb1]

McDaniels to Judge as OC is a downgrade. Hopefully there's something else on deck that we don't know about.

 

[Love The Drake]

McDaniels to Judge as OC is a downgrade. Hopefully there's something else on deck that we don't know about.

Or maybe Judge is as good of a coach as BB thinks he is.

 

[Sicilian]

I've seen Joe Judge break down film before with the NYG and he seems to know what he's talking about. I just don't know what happened in NY though. I guess you can be a smart football guy without strong management ability you are going to fail as an HC.

I think it's partially the Peter Principle: That you rise to the level of your own incompetence. If you're good at a job, you get recognition for it, you get promoted. Then if you're good at that job, you get recognition, and you get promoted again. But eventually, you get promoted into a role that you're NOT actually good at it, maybe it just doesn't fit your skill set, and you look terrible. And sometimes it's hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

The difference with Joe Judge is he's coming back in a role that we're not familiar with him in, so it's not a certainty that he IS good at being an offensive coach. But regardless, his failure as a head coach really won't have a lot of impact on his success or failure as this offensive assistant, any more than being a bad project manager for a construction company means you're a bad electrician.

 

[borg]

 

[crawhammer]

I don't like the nebulous job titles. Can't they name a definite DC and OC? The defense went to hell last season which in part could have been related to the puzzling coaching staff. So now who's the OC? I don't see Judge filling that role adequately. Is Bill O'Brien off the table at this point? I think he would have been a natural replacement for McDaniels.

 

[PatsFan2]

If Judge is the de facto OC I'm not happy.

Guess we'll have to Judge for ourselves.

 

[Vindicate]

The Joe Judge hire is a headscratcher, especially as an offensive assistant or worse as the unnamed OC. NYG's offense was really bad with JJ as the HC. Like much worse that it even was with Pat Surmur who got fired for being inept. NYG had the 18th ranked passing offense in '19 when Daniel Jones as a rookie posted respectable numbers. Their passing offense sunk to 29th and 31st under Judge and now DJ looks like a bust. NYG's defense also completely crapped out under Judge.

This hire feels a little too much like Matt Patricia 2.0. Generally I liked to see BB invest in some experienced proven coaches for his staff, especially with the coordinator spots. I don't think Patricia or Judge are the guys I want working closely with Mac Jones.

I agree mostly, but maybe it's the difference of being a coordinator/assistant coach vs. HC. I think we've been given enough examples where someone is god awful as an HC, but a good assistant.

I'm gonna just hope and pray for that logic, if he truly has a good deal of input on offense and playcalling.

Also, not sure if this has been always a trend in the NFL, but it really seems like it's nearly impossible to keep coordinators who are on a successful team over the past few years. People are getting hired left and right for HC vacancies, or quickly boosted up to a coordinator position if they were a position coach. All that to say, finding a "proven coach" is somewhat difficult given the carousel of hirings each year and the vacancies it creates for those proven coaches.

 

[Captain Cliche]

This coaching staff gets poached heavily and regularly.
It's a good thing to replace some continuity.

Basically the Giants are paying his salary. He knows the system and he must be talented enough to have been considered head coach material.
What's not to like...as long as he's not OC.

I didn't get the Josh bashing. You think that's original? Every fan base does it with every OC.
As I said before, people bashed Charlie Weiss, Bill O'Brian, and Josh McDaniels (twice).
It's ignorant, convenient, tedious, low hanging fruit.

Several players said he is an offensive genius. Mac was attached to his hip.
More than likely whoever replaces him will be a downgrade.

Having said all that, am I glad he is gone? YES.
I was petrified they had promised him the head coaching job after Bill.
I think he will fail again at the HC level and feel he is a poor talent evaluator who falls in love with prospects (EG. Tebow).
I think several poor draft choices were based on his recommendations or at his request.