Florio: League destroyed their PSI measurements

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Not sure why but this has me raged up all over again.

I focus on the side benefit: that this fabricated scandal motivated Brady and the Patriots even more.

I am not sure that 2016 & 2018, and Brady playing until 44, would have happened without this fabricated scandal.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I focus on the side benefit: that this fabricated scandal motivated Brady and the Patriots even more.

I am not sure that 2016 & 2018, and Brady playing until 44, would have happened without this fabricated scandal.

I'd agree somewhat.
On the downside, we sure could have used those 1st & 4th round draft picks on the 2017 onwards roster.
EDIT ADDITION: Results of those picks could likely have also saved wasting a panic 2nd on an over the hill wideout in 2018.

 

[Tottie]

There absolutely was active litigation in 2015 (when Florio says Pash destroyed evidence) -- Brady wasn't suspended until 2016 as the case finally ended during the summer of 2016 when Brady chose not to appeal the Second Circuit's decision.

And I know it is highly unpopular around here, but I totally believe Jastremski and the other guy had hatched some scheme. Their excuses about their text messages are not credible at all.

I'm basically on the same tack you are:
* NE submits the balls at the lowest allowable pressure of 12.5psi.
* The refs do whatever they do with the ball. As we know from the texts the refs sometimes pump them up.
* Jastremski & co check the balls when the refs are done.
* Possible option A: if the refs have inflated them to over 13.5, Jastremski brings them down to 13.5.
* Possible option B: if the refs inflated them at all (i.e. they are anything over the 12.5 NE submitted them at) Jastremski deflates them down to 12.5.
* And finally, no changes were made to the balls in the AFCCG -- the NFL's own bought & paid for numbers from their "second-hand smoke is fine!" consultants prove the balls were right in line with science within the margin of error of the gauges the refs used. Presumably NE submitted at 12.5 and the refs left them alone that night.

This is pretty reasonable but it wouldn't be severe enough for the NFL. I wonder IF this did happen did the NE Patriots say this to the NFL. They interviewed those ball boys a million times. The NFL would never accept the narrative that NE was actually trying to stop the refs from giving the Colts an unfair advantage by checking and bringing the balls back down to their desired and legal PSI range. The science shows that the balls weren't illegal and so at the very least the NFL would have to admit that no advantage was gained. They were trying to crucify someone so if this is what happened I bet Kraft told the ball boys to just say nothing. It's that or nothing happened at all.

 

[Patsfan1958]

It's kind of sad when there's more games being played in the NFL front offices than on the field.

 

[XLIX]

hit a nerve? Nah.

Just tired of passive aggressive ****ies like you taking thinly veiled pot shots

LOL!! Yeah, I totally hit a nerve there..... You're the type to eagerly kowtow to Goodell, and you gladly admitted it. Now you're getting all pissy when all I did was point out your own words....

 

[Jlaff]

Stephanie Stradley

A name pulled straight from Deus' fantasies.

 

[Jlaff]

OH. FFS. That clause has been in the CBA since day f**king one. Claiming that they just arbitrarily put it in there during the last negotiations is complete BS and an attempt to re-write history. The fact of the matter is that the previous commissioners weren't corrupt enough to abuse it.

A RICO charge for GAME FIXING is the SUREST way to change things. Because they have it on record that Troy Vincent was the one who was doing the Video Reviews during the last Pats/EAGLES SB and that he over-turned 2 calls using Rules that hadn't been officially implemented. Neither team was NOTIFIED that the new rules were being used for the game. The fact that Vincent LIED about the footballs to push the Deflategate narrative is proof enough that he was biased and made the calls to benefit his former team to the detriment of the Patriots.

Damn man, I had no idea Vincent was behind the Superbowl calls too. Wow, Florio should start writing articles about that!

 

[Jlaff]

I didn't like the excerpt about there still being something nefarious that happened between Jastremski and McNally... I don't care about their texts about one being a deflator and getting new shoes.... BIG deal!!!

On a side note: I have a theory that Jastremski actually randomly tested 3-4 balls with a pressure gauge while in that bathroom for 98 seconds...just to be sure they weren't dramatically over inflated...which could have attributed to about an extra .01-.02 drop in pressure.

That being said...I'll say it again and again:

Deflategate was bar none the single biggest steaming pile of bull$hit in the history of professional sports.....F everyone who supported that hatchet job.

You might have even called it a mass formation psychosis.

 

[Jlaff]

The standard of review on the fact findings of tribunals has turned into an ugly, ugly thing.

 

[Jlaff]

Gotta admit it was disappointing to hear from Wickersham that BB and Goodell are buddies….

I knew a long time ago that Goodell was hired to be the fall guy and give blowies to all the bi-curious owners.

 

[Joker]

Bi-curious owners? You mean like "Gloryhole!" Jerruh Jomes and Cadaver Sex Afficionado John Mara?

 

[XLIX]

I knew a long time ago that Goodell was hired to be the fall guy and give blowies to all the bi-curious owners.

I mean, that's what this is all about. When a civil rights group meets with the NFL, whom do they meet with? The Commissioner (plus or minus some legal counsel or advisors by his side). Goodell is not the one who hires or fires head coaches, the owners are. But they get to sit back go about their merry way and do absolutely nothing while their lackey takes the slings and arrows (which, of course, is what he is paid to do).

 

[captain stone]

I'd agree somewhat.
On the downside, we sure could have used those 1st & 4th round draft picks on the 2017 onwards roster.
EDIT ADDITION: Results of those picks could likely have also saved wasting a panic 2nd on an over the hill wideout in 2018.

When the time arrived for what would've been our first-rounder, I remember thinking that I would've taken LB Myles Jack (no KVN yet, Ninko was more DE than LB by then, and the next-best here after HT & Collins was Jon Bostic)... With the 4th-rounder from 2017 - either at 118, 131 (Dee Wise) or 137 (traded for Dwayne Allen) - I would've taken George Kittle.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Because of course they did.

From Playmakers: NFL general counsel Jeff Pash ordered expungement of 2015 air-pressure measurements

The past week has been a rocky ride for the NFL.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Yup as expected, it was PHONY drummed up scandal. If the real numbers got out of the recorded air pressures of footballs in other games it would have given the NFL a black eye. So DUMB that Kraft didn't have the balls to stand up for his franchise QB. I believe Brady's so called 'snub' was justified considering the gutless behavior of his owner and coach when the chips were down. Nobody stepped up to defend Brady and he was unjustly suspended for 4 games. On top of that the Patriots lost a 1st round pick and Kraft just continued to kiss the butt of the Judas who betrayed him, the guy that he helped get into power in the first place.

 

[VJCPatriot]

When the time arrived for what would've been our first-rounder, I remember thinking that I would've taken LB Myles Jack (no KVN yet, Ninko was more DE than LB by then, and the next-best here after HT & Collins was Jon Bostic)... With the 4th-rounder from 2017 - either at 118, 131 (Dee Wise) or 137 (traded for Dwayne Allen) - I would've taken George Kittle.

Forget that. Everyone missed on Kittle in the 4th. Oh small correction - Kittle was taken in 2017, the Pats 1st round pick was stripped in the 2016 draft.

But just imagine the Patriots with their late 1st round pick had taken any of the studs available in round 2 of the 2016 draft:
#37 DT Chris Jones, 3x pro-bowler
#38 CB Xavien Howard, 3x pro-bowler, 1x all-pro
#47 WR Michael Thomas , 3x pro-bowler, 2x all-pro

 

[archstanton543]

Yup as expected, it was PHONY drummed up scandal. If the real numbers got out of the recorded air pressures of footballs in other games it would have given the NFL a black eye. So DUMB that Kraft didn't have the balls to stand up for his franchise QB. I believe Brady's so called 'snub' was justified considering the gutless behavior of his owner and coach when the chips were down. Nobody stepped up to defend Brady and he was unjustly suspended for 4 games. On top of that the Patriots lost a 1st round pick and Kraft just continued to kiss the butt of the Judas who betrayed him, the guy that he helped get into power in the first place.

Kraft suing the league would have invalidated the CBA so that never was going to happen.

 

[shmessy]

LOL!! Yeah, I totally hit a nerve there..... You're the type to eagerly kowtow to Goodell, and you gladly admitted it. Now you're getting all pissy when all I did was point out your own words....

Nope. Pape is right on. Take your L, son.

 

[captain stone]

Forget that. Everyone missed on Kittle in the 4th. Oh small correction - Kittle was taken in 2017, the Pats 1st round pick was stripped in the 2016 draft.

Yep, just as I wrote.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Yup as expected, it was PHONY drummed up scandal. If the real numbers got out of the recorded air pressures of footballs in other games it would have given the NFL a black eye. So DUMB that Kraft didn't have the balls to stand up for his franchise QB. I believe Brady's so called 'snub' was justified considering the gutless behavior of his owner and coach when the chips were down. Nobody stepped up to defend Brady and he was unjustly suspended for 4 games. On top of that the Patriots lost a 1st round pick and Kraft just continued to kiss the butt of the Judas who betrayed him, the guy that he helped get into power in the first place.

He should have thanked us fans who were 100% behind him throughout the whole bull$hit scandal, I can see leaving Kraft out though.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

There absolutely was active litigation in 2015 (when Florio says Pash destroyed evidence) -- Brady wasn't suspended until 2016 as the case finally ended during the summer of 2016 when Brady chose not to appeal the Second Circuit's decision.

And I know it is highly unpopular around here, but I totally believe Jastremski and the other guy had hatched some scheme. Their excuses about their text messages are not credible at all.

I'm basically on the same tack you are:
* NE submits the balls at the lowest allowable pressure of 12.5psi.
* The refs do whatever they do with the ball. As we know from the texts the refs sometimes pump them up.
* Jastremski & co check the balls when the refs are done.
* Possible option A: if the refs have inflated them to over 13.5, Jastremski brings them down to 13.5.
* Possible option B: if the refs inflated them at all (i.e. they are anything over the 12.5 NE submitted them at) Jastremski deflates them down to 12.5.
* And finally, no changes were made to the balls in the AFCCG -- the NFL's own bought & paid for numbers from their "second-hand smoke is fine!" consultants prove the balls were right in line with science within the margin of error of the gauges the refs used. Presumably NE submitted at 12.5 and the refs left them alone that night.

But those text messages were before the season even started, they cherry picked texts going back a year that made them look good.