NFL News Semi OT: Flores suing NFL and NYG. Texts from Bill involved in the suit.

[Deus Irae]

And also because teams are not serious about interviewing new ones. It can't be proved that goes on but over enough time and enough no hires it can be assumed. The gap is just too wide. I'd like to see the numbers of actual black prospects vs the required Rooney rule. I'm guessing teams pretty much stick to the rule to be compliant leaving other qualified prospects unconsidered.

I'm pointing out facts. You're just tossing out wild speculation. And the entire "The gap is just too wide" argument is ********.

 

[Dr Pain]

If you have a pool of 70 percent vs 30 percent all looking to get a job and the 30 percent wind up with them most of the time then its pretty obvious. Now when it comes to picking out players, the best players are easier to pick out because the measurables are much more apparent

Is playing in the pros a requirement to be a coach? I think not. Neither Bill B nor Flores ever did, nor did Mike Tomlin, Sean McVey, Pete Caroll etc. I am also reading that 33% of black NFL players have degrees vs 50% of the white ones. I have no idea what % of NFL coaches have degrees but I am going to guess it is close to 100%

 

[Ring 6]

Here is the pool.
9.2% of football coaches in the United States are black.

Get the job you really want - Zippia

www.zippia.com

 

[Ring 6]

Here is the pool.
9.2% of football coaches in the United States are black.

Get the job you really want - Zippia

www.zippia.com

36% of all NFL coaches are black meaning if you are one of the 9% who choose to coach you are 4 times more likely to be doing it at the NFL level. Seems pretty inclusionary to me.

 

[Deus Irae]

Is playing in the pros a requirement to be a coach? I think not. Neither Bill B nor Flores ever did, nor did Mike Tomlin, Sean McVey, Pete Caroll etc. I am also reading that 33% of black NFL players have degrees vs 50% of the white ones. I have no idea what % of NFL coaches have degrees but I am going to guess it is close to 100%

Whenever someone quotes the 70/30 thing, ask them why we shouldn't be hoping for 0% female participation in coaching in all 4 major U.S. sports, and why women becoming coaches is hailed as a great development, since those sports have 0% of the players that are women. If they can't/won't acknowledge the hypocrisy, you'll know they can be ignored on the topic at hand, and on any related topic, as well.

 

[carmelo15]

They won't wait. They don't give AF.

So it is about black history month this is embarrassing

 

[carmelo15]

They're not hiring the best man, they're hiring the best white man.

Man someone get this dude out of this thread holy ****

 

[carmelo15]

Why would he want to do that?

Leftwhich will be exposed without Brady and could cry racism when he doesn’t get another offer soon

 

[XLIX]

There is a real answer, but it is complicated and requires you to understand socio-economic factors and role models, and all kinds of icky stuff that ain't gonna jive with your world view and the effort you are willing to put in...so meh

Funny because that is what some say about the lack of black head coaches.

But, as you say, it ain't gonna jive with your world view.

 

[Ring 6]

50% of the teams in the AFC have recently had a minority HC
32% of the teams in the NFC have recently had a minority HC
That equals 41% of the league.

 

[Lavictoire]

If you have a pool of 70 percent vs 30 percent all looking to get a job and the 30 percent wind up with them most of the time then its pretty obvious. Now when it comes to picking out players, the best players are easier to pick out because the measurables are much more apparent

I'm amazed, when confronted with a racial disparity that is inconvenient to your narrative, how quickly you sound just like business owners who are interrogated for why they don't have more blacks in office/tech jobs.. You now sound the same as the owners and hiring managers. It is not racism, there are obvious measurables as you say.

 

[carmelo15]

How Bieniemy and Leftwich haven't gotten HC jobs is beyond me. Super Bowl coordinators typically get HC jobs.

Leftwhich got carried by Brady and turned down an offer

 

[Lavictoire]

And it's almost always the white guys that are determined to be the most qualified.

Not the players. And if the white guys are usually more qualifiied so what?

 

[XLIX]

If you have a pool of 70 percent vs 30 percent all looking to get a job and the 30 percent wind up with them most of the time then its pretty obvious. Now when it comes to picking out players, the best players are easier to pick out because the measurables are much more apparent

The 70/30 ratio is beyond meaningless. As I have stated earlier in this thread, there is zero evidence whatsoever that the men who go into coaching have the same racial breakdown as the players who play the game.

 

[Lavictoire]

Well they are the vast majority of the candidates.
It’s mostly white guys that are determined to be the best hire for most jobs, because there are more white people.

This is why the left has resorted to censorship of opposing views in forums and the media they control. Their ideas cannot stand up to scrutiny in honest debate and it is very obvious to someone reading both sides and forming an opinion.

 

[venecol]

No it wasn’t at all.

Here it is again.

If you are hiring the best man for the job, lawsuits, history months and symbolism are irrelevant.

Are you telling me that you believe black candidates should get favoritism during February and because someone filed a lawsuit?
Basing decisions on race is racist.

I'm telling you that given this lawsuit, and the NFL hypocritical claims of diversity, that it would be symbolic they hire all 9 white coaches during BHM. You don't believe me? See what happens.

 

[Lavictoire]

Here is the pool.
9.2% of football coaches in the United States are black.

Get the job you really want - Zippia

www.zippia.com

Thanks. That matches what I said earlier, less than 13%.

 

[Ring 6]

Still more info coming to light.
Flores was contacted by the Giants about the HC job immediately after Judge was fired, so he was under consideration right from the start. He was even asked what he thought of getting Daboll as OC.

Seems things changed when Schoen was hired as GM and had a preference.

Hard to call an interview a sham when you were contacted immediately.

 

[Ring 6]

The 70/30 ratio is beyond meaningless. As I have stated earlier in this thread, there is zero evidence whatsoever that the men who go into coaching have the same racial breakdown as the players who play the game.

I posted a study earlier tonight that shows 9.4% of American football coaches are black.
In fact the percentage of black people who choose a coaching career is lower, not higher than their proportion of the population. Black people are 24% less likely to choose football coaching as a professional that non black people. (12.4% pop; 9.4% of coaches)
So using the % of population is actually overstating the expected % based upon the pool of football coaches.

 

[Ring 6]

This thread could be exhibit A in a slam dunk defense against Flores lawsuit.

The lawsuit itself states that in average 17% of the positions in the nfl they identified (hc, gm, dc, oc, stc, QBc) are currently filled by black people, with many still open.
This means football coaches are represented at these highest levels at almost double their proportion to the total
of football coaches. (9.4% of football coaches are black)
Black people are 24% less likely to choose to become football coaches and are 12.4% of the population.
The NFLs efforts to encourage minority hiring and promote diversity have resulted in the NFL total coaching staffing to be 36% black almost 4 times the representation of all other organizations that employ football coaches.

That pretty much closes the case.