NFL News Semi OT: Flores suing NFL and NYG. Texts from Bill involved in the suit.

[Ring 6]

Andy is The Great White Hope of Patsfans.

It’s not about black or white, it’s about the facts.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So your argument is that if they made up their mind to offer the job to Daboll but he had not accepted it, then continuing to interview is a sham? What if he took the saints job, or the Houston job?

My argument is it was a done deal before Flo interviewed and it is possible the Giants are lying.

 

[PatsWSB47]

It’s not about black or white, it’s about the facts.

And somehow the facts almost always land on the side of the white guys. Why is that?

 

[venecol]

It’s not about black or white, it’s about the facts.

Absolutely. The fact is you're The Great White Hope. Decision made. No contract needed. Congratulations.

 

[bigballas]

Isn't Elway always drunk?

he looks somewhat coherent here:

 

[Ring 6]

And somehow the facts almost always land on the side of the white guys. Why is that?

That’s not true.

 

[Ring 6]

Absolutely. The fact is you're The Great White Hope. Decision made. No contract needed. Congratulations.

And you are the great white dope.

 

[Ring 6]

My argument is it was a done deal before Flo interviewed and it is possible the Giants are lying.

But the timeline doesn’t work. The text was Tuesday, Daboll interviewed Wednesday and Flores interviewed Thursday.
I have no doubt Daboll was the favorite, but he wasn’t hired until Friday.
What are they lying about?

 

[RobertWeathers]

But the timeline doesn’t work. The text was Tuesday, Daboll interviewed Wednesday and Flores interviewed Thursday.
I have no doubt Daboll was the favorite, but he wasn’t hired until Friday.
What are they lying about?

It does make sense if we believe there was a conversation with Daboll before BBs texts , the zoom and before Flores.

It all comes down to how truthful you think the Giants are being as it relates to when they decided on Daboll.

Personally....I don't trust them. That organization is a joke and Mara is a slime.

 

[SteveKiner]

Andy is The Great White Hope of Patsfans.

RIP Jerry Quarry. I always liked him. Poster boy for CTE
RIP Muhammed Ali. CTE also.
Rough way to make a living

 

[Bill Lee]

 

[carmelo15]

Not an attorney, but all they have to look at is the number of potential black coaches, coordinators, ex HC in the pipeline that never get hired aside from sham interviews to get around a toothless rule created to get around these discriminatory practices.

Of the 7 openings for HCs in 2021, one was filled by a Black man. Over the previous 4 cycles, there were 27 openings, only 3 Black men became HC.

This season is another example with 9 openings, 6 have been filled by white guys. Two had SB wins.

Giants: Daboll (OC)
Bears: Matt Eberflus (DC)
Broncos: Nathaniel Hackett (OC)
Raiders: Josh McDaniels (OC, SB)
Vikings: Kevin O’Connell (OC)
Jaguars: Doug Pederson (ex HC, SB)
Saints:
Texans:
Dolphins:

Black candidates:

Todd Bowles, (DC, ex HC, SB)
Jim Caldwell (ex HC)
Brian Flores, (ex HC, SB)
Byron Leftwich (OC, SB)
Eric Bieniemy (OC, SB)
Jerod Mayo (LB coach, SB)
Leslie Frazier (DC, ex HC)
Vance Joseph (DC, ex HC)
Raheem Morris (DC, ex HC) Patrick Graham (DC)

There's a ton of experience from these black candidates, including coaching on SB winning teams and HC experience. Yet there's talk of Texans going with Josh McCown, longtime NFL QB with ZERO coaching experience.

I'm not sure this lawsuit goes anywhere given how powerful the NFL is and they'll certainly circle the wagons, but it's undeniable that black men have very little chance of being promoted.

The opposing lawyer will show the last defensive play vs the Rams for Bowles and would throughout your case

 

[venecol]

And you are the great white dope.

I'm not white.

 

[amfootball]

One important thing to mention here that I think is getting missed is teams right now are looking mostly at OCs to be their HC because of the offensive focus of the NFL. Most of the black coaches come up through the defensive side of the ball which also hurts their chances because of the way the league has changed.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'll repeat. 1 black NFL coach is an embarrassment

The number means nothing on its own. Getting embarrassed over the number just because you think it's low is childish and silly. Until you figure that out, you're useless on the subject.

 

[venecol]

On Flores deciding to file the lawsuit, it takes attorneys to do it. It's not like he hired AB's clown lawyers. This firm has experience handling high profile cases. They would not take on the case if THEY didn't believe it had merit and enough evidence to prevail.

Obviously, there aren't any guarantees when going up against a mammoth like the NFL. However, the idea that this is all being done based on Flores being emotional or based solely on Bill's texts is absurd.

 

[venecol]

One important thing to mention here that I think is getting missed is teams right now are looking mostly at OCs to be their HC because of the offensive focus of the NFL. Most of the black coaches come up through the defensive side of the ball which also hurts their chances because of the way the league has changed.

There are two black OCs that recently won SBs. There are two black ex HCs that recently won SBs. Those 4 have more experience than several of the white guys hired. This is the continued pattern in the NFL. Making a case about their discriminatory hiring practices given the actual record is a slam dunk. They just have to get there. It'll be tough with the NYFL judges.

I hope the 3 remaining HC positions go to white guys, especially to McCown with ZERO coaching experience during Black History month. That'll shine a bright light on the NFL hypocrisy about diversity.

 

[Calhoun44]

Andy is The Great White Hope of Patsfans.

Is that Johnny Damon's dad?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not white.

The rest of it isn’t disputable

 

[Ring 6]

There are two black OCs that recently won SBs. There are two black ex HCs that recently won SBs. Those 4 have more experience than several of the white guys hired. This is the continued pattern in the NFL. Making a case about their discriminatory hiring practices given the actual record is a slam dunk. They just have to get there. It'll be tough with the NYFL judges.

I hope the 3 remaining HC positions go to white guys, especially to McCown with ZERO coaching experience during Black History month. That'll shine a bright light on the NFL hypocrisy about diversity.

You can’t on one hand say it’s an old boys network and on the other hand say only experience matters.
What black HCs recently won SBs that are not getting a job?