OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

LMAO now they’re talking about Kupp for MVP

50:1 odds today.

Brace yourself for the inevitable “RoDgErS iS mVp BeCaUsE jOrDaN lOvE ScOrEd SiX pOiNtS” wave.

 

[Tottie]

50:1 odds today.

Brace yourself for the inevitable “RoDgErS iS mVp BeCaUsE jOrDaN lOvE ScOrEd SiX pOiNtS” wave.

If Brady wins 3 or 4 of the last games with 8TDs or more and 1 INT or less and loses to either Kupp or Rodgers will you admit that there is bias?

Edit: Lets not forget Stafford. Stafford needs to only be good the rest of the way to force Brady to be 'great' in my eyes with the type of voters we will get.

 

[venecol]

Here's Mortimer doing his typical b!tch crap posting about this thread on the main forum.

I find it amusing that he claims Pats fans that continue to support Brady "started the civil war" when since the Bucs-Pats game you hardly hear anything from these posters, yet it's Mortimer Porksley who continues to egg on, push his agenda and bait posters. He's a hypocritical troll and the only way to handle him is to freeze him out. Stop feeding the troll people.

They have an agenda and that is obviously "Belichick can't win without Brady!" For whatever reason, these folks have put Brady on a pedestal like he's their god. Whenever he makes a mistake, it someone else's fault. Pick 6? Receiver ran the wrong route since Brady doesn't make errors! @sb1 , who wouldn't post it in the main boards, has come out and said Tampa is going to win the super bowl again...this is despite the fact that NE (his team) is the 1 seed in the AFC.

We were all fine as a fanbase when TB/BB were together. Once TB bolted and the Pats started floundering in 2020, you had some posters literally whining every week about BB letting TB go and saying Bill was nothing without Tom and the 7-9 record was proof. Really, they (the Bradyites) are the ones who started the civil war.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Brady wins 3 or 4 of the last games with 8TDs or more and 1 INT or less and loses to either Kupp or Rodgers will you admit that there is bias?

Kupp…yes, of course that’s bias. That would ne ridiculous for a WR to win MVP. But he won’t win it. That’s why they have OPOY and he’s 50:1. Stafford is only like 12:1.

In terms of Brady-Rodgers, in that scenario, I wouldn’t call it bias. I think Brady needs to win out. If the Packers finish with a better record (not seed) and the numbers are in the same tier, then it’s a close call, not bias. Say Rodgers finishes with like 38 TDs, 6 INTs and 14-3 record and Brady with 46 TDs, 14 INTs and a 13-4 record. I’d say that’s close. But I’d give the clear edge to Brady because the Bucs offense has been overall significantly better, his efficiency is higher, etc. But you’d have to give a lot of credit to Rodgers for playing well enough to win week after week. I’d say it’s more “lazy analysis” though if people vote for Rodgers over Brady due to looking at passer rating and TD:INT. Rodgers takes way more sacks and the Packers offensive output never matches his personal numbers.

And I think my analysis is basically what the odds say now: Brady is going to win it if the two finish where they are today. Brady would need to stumble quite a bit to lose his grip on it. But we’ve stuff like this happen a lot, like an upset loss, 3 INT game, etc. The fact Brady is -175 to win the award despite being the #2 seed and a lower passing rating than Rodgers should demonstrate there’s not bias.

 

[VectorPrime]

If Brady wins 3 or 4 of the last games with 8TDs or more and 1 INT or less and loses to either Kupp or Rodgers will you admit that there is bias?

Edit: Lets not forget Stafford. Stafford needs to only be good the rest of the way to force Brady to be 'great' in my eyes with the type of voters we will get.

Brady cannot lose a single additional game.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

reminding me of 2017. Brady won MVP but every week they hyped up another guy. AB, Wilson, Gurley, Wentz before injury

 

[Deus Irae]

The fact Brady is -175 to win the award despite being the #2 seed and a lower passing rating than Rodgers should demonstrate there’s not bias.

You were doing at least ok, and then you went off the rails right here. There are two reasons why Brady is currently in the MVP lead, and only those two reasons:

1. Rodgers won it last year
2. Rodgers off-field situations

Without those two things, we'd be hearing about Rodgers running away with the award.

 

[Tottie]

Brady cannot lose a single additional game.

If Brady is firmly in the lead AND he can't lose a single game then what does that say about the others? They need to run the table and throw 12 more TDs?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

reminding me of 2017. Brady won MVP but every week they hyped up another guy. AB, Wilson, Gurley, Wentz before injury

That’s what they do every year, but the odds are consistent and had Brady firmly in the MVP lead the moment Wentz got injured. The only player who got any real consideration in the end was Gurley. The media tried to talk it up as being a coin flip, while the odds had Brady at about -400 (80% probability.)

The final vote was 40 for Brady, 8 for Gurley, 2 for Wentz. Again all that talk and hype was just hot air.

 

[amfootball]

That’s what they do every year, but the odds are consistent and had Brady firmly in the MVP lead the moment Wentz got injured. The only player who got any real consideration in the end was Gurley. The media tried to talk it up as being a coin flip, while the odds had Brady at about -400 (80% probability.)

The final vote was 40 for Brady, 8 for Gurley, 2 for Wentz. Again all that talk and hype was just hot air.

I think that's the case this year too. I mean there are four games left so they still want it to seem like a story but honestly Brady is 44 and having a spectacular season.

I really don't see any bias in him winning it as long as he performs well these last four games. In other words, they are not going to be looking to give it to someone else. Especially since Rodgers won it last year. He really is the only one making a push.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see it be unanimous in Brady's favor.

 

[Tottie]

That’s what they do every year, but the odds are consistent and had Brady firmly in the MVP lead the moment Wentz got injured. The only player who got any real consideration in the end was Gurley. The media tried to talk it up as being a coin flip, while the odds had Brady at about -400 (80% probability.)

The final vote was 40 for Brady, 8 for Gurley, 2 for Wentz. Again all that talk and hype was just hot air.

You make alot of sense except for the fact that those guys aren't Rodgers or the new beloved Stafford. I agree that Kupp is not a threat unless all those guys wet the bed hard but the NFL media loves those 2 guys while Brady is everywhere all the time.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You make alot of sense except for the fact that those guys aren't Rodgers or the new beloved Stafford. I agree that Kupp is not a threat unless all those guys wet the bet hard but the NFL media loves those 2 guys while Brady is everywhere all the time.

Rodgers

2011 - 15-1, 45:6, led league in ANY/A and set all-time passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

2014 - 12-4, 38:5, led league in ANY/A, Packers first in points scored

2020 - 13-3, 48:5, led league in ANY/A, came within a point of passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

It’s not like voters are handing him MVPs like Manning. This season the Packers are 14th in points scored, and he doesn’t have the advanced metrics, volume numbers, etc.

 

[Guts]

Rodgers

2011 - 15-1, 45:6, led league in ANY/A and set all-time passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

2014 - 12-4, 38:5, led league in ANY/A, Packers first in points scored

2020 - 13-3, 48:5, led league in ANY/A, came within a point of passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

It’s not like voters are handing him MVPs like Manning. This season the Packers are 14th in points scored, and he doesn’t have the advanced metrics, volume numbers, etc.

They're using the injuries narrative. The Packers are indeed super banged up this year and they just keep winning. He's also been hot down the stretch

 

[Tottie]

Rodgers

2011 - 15-1, 45:6, led league in ANY/A and set all-time passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

2014 - 12-4, 38:5, led league in ANY/A, Packers first in points scored

2020 - 13-3, 48:5, led league in ANY/A, came within a point of passer rating record, Packers first in points scored

It’s not like voters are handing him MVPs like Manning. This season the Packers are 14th in points scored, and he doesn’t have the advanced metrics, volume numbers, etc.

He's not even close and that's the whole point really. Perhaps we are wrong and these media people (who are also the voters) are just trying to generate buzz and revenue through clicks, will actually vote for Brady when it comes time. I think the point is that he should be able to be good the rest of the way and win.

 

[RicoG]

Tom Brady is clearing the path for another Buccaneers Super Bowl berth | FOX Sports

Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Bucs might have the easiest remaining schedule of any NFC team, Martin Rogers writes.

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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He's not even close and that's the whole point really. Perhaps we are wrong and these media people (who are also the voters) are just trying to generate buzz and revenue through clicks, will actually vote for Brady when it comes time. I think the point is that he should be able to be good the rest of the way and win.

And the odds aren’t very close either. Basically this says Brady is the clear MVP if the season ended today, but there’s still four weeks left. Rodgers would be most the likely to catch Brady, but he’s still 5:1, and that’s coming off three straight big statistical games. The odds are based on how they expect the voters decide the award. The voters have it right. This is a big lead considering almost a quarter of the season remains.

 

[Tottie]

And the odds aren’t very close either. Basically this says Brady is the clear MVP if the season ended today, but there’s still four weeks left. Rodgers would be most the likely to catch Brady, but he’s still 5:1, and that’s coming off three straight big statistical games. The odds are based on how they expect the voters decide the award. The voters have it right. This is a big lead considering almost a quarter of the season remains.

We'll see. You make sense as I said but look at the easy schedule the Bucs have, the games might be over by halftime. Bucs might run the ball and Brady isn't going to be throwing from the 1 yard line to get stats. We'll see if the odds hold if Brady only throws 8 more Tds and minimal or no interceptions and wins out.

 

[RicoG]

A year ago almost to the day I said the Bucs were not losing another game.

I think I'm ready to make the same prediction now. I can't see any team stopping them tbh other than themselves.

Brady breaks the MVP curse this year. Mark it down.

Pats Bucs would be a great SB game but I think BB even getting a rookie QB to the Super Bowl much less winning it against a team like the Bucs would be as tall a task as it gets. There's a good reason why it's never been done.

Yeah your call was spot on, as up to the bye everyone else was only talking whether the Bucs can make it past the 1st playoff game and that they wouldn't make it past the conference finals if they did.

The Saints will be the last big test.

If Pat's can keep the 1 seed, they'd be hard to stop from getting to SB. They are built for destroying the Chiefs.

 

[Tottie]

Yeah your call was spot on, as up to the bye everyone else was only talking whether the Bucs can make it past the 1st playoff game and that they wouldn't make it past the conference finals if they did.

The Saints will be the last big test.

If Pat's can keep the 1 seed, they'd be hard to stop from getting to SB. They are built for destroying the Chiefs.

I agree that BB knows and will limit KC's offense but can Mac score at least 25 against KC. You aren't winning with 21 IMO. Homefield is so crucial with this single team bye.

 

[Deus Irae]

They are built for destroying the Chiefs.

I agree that BB knows and will limit KC's offense but can Mac score at least 25 against KC. You aren't winning with 21 IMO. Homefield is so crucial with this single team bye.

I don't get where the whole "Patriots will limit/destroy the Chiefs" thing comes from, since it's never really happened and, when it's been closest to being true, it's been in Patriots losses rather than wins.


2018: 40 and 31 points (2 Patriots wins)
2019: 23 points (Chiefs win)
2020: 26 points (Chiefs win)