Man in the Arena Discussion

[SHOWTIME15]

abandon? God you are an idiot. Brady didnt express to Bill? Yeah Brady has expressed how long he wants to play for the last 10 years. Brady wanted a 2 year deal commitment, the pats didnt or couldnt offer him much money and they didnt want to do the years, so brady left, so this notion its on Brady is about as stupid as your other Brady troll posts.

Why do you keep your name as Pats1971 when you don't post on Pats related threads? Just change it to Bucs1971 or Brady1971. You basically joined the forum when Brady was about to sign in Tampa anyway.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The Pats made their position pretty clear when they refused to give him more than one year.

Brady might have made the decision, but the Pats clearly put their cards on the table.

I mean, tell yourself the stories you want to tell yourself. At the end of the day, to me, all that matters are the actions each party took. Pats did not want to commit, Brady decided to leave. Both made a business decision and, at the end of the day, it seems like it was the right one for both. In business, there does not need to be a "loser" in a deal, both parties can win.

Don't bother he's a troll organizational shill

 

[libra957]

In 2007 I was on Florida, every body was yelling the following day in school about the giants. It was infuriating that I couldn't mourn in peace.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Montana

Gronk yes but i'm not aware of others. That's fine.

Sport absolutely. Maybe a little in the industry. Society? Not really.

Ali might be #1 in impact in all 3 categories.

Ali’s career reminds me of Brady.

Phase 1 - Upset and Rise. Begin as cinderella story (Liston/Rams)…then established themselves as dominant champions of the sport.

Setback - (Dodging the draft and losing prime years/Scandals, Giants losses, 10 year drought)

Phase 2 - Climb back to top. Rise again to championship despite no longer being at peak; adapt performance. In this stage, all of the most classic battles (Frazier, Frazier II, Foreman/ SB49, SB51)

Phase 3 - Longevity stretch. Become champion at an age no one thought possible.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ali’s career reminds me of Brady.

Phase 1 - Upset and Rise. Begin as cinderella story (Liston/Rams)…then established themselves as dominant champions of the sport.

Setback - (Dodging the draft and losing prime years/Scandals, Giants losses, 10 year drought)

Phase 2 - Climb back to top. Rise again to championship despite no longer being at peak; adapt performance. In this stage, all of the most classic battles (Frazier, Frazier II, Foreman/ SB49, SB51)

Phase 3 - Longevity stretch. Become champion at an age no one thought possible.

Jesus that is a well thought-out parallel.

Well done.

 

[Kdo5]

Me neither.

All this self-produced Brady content is a turn off. It's like he's building a shrine to himself. I understand he is capitalizing on his brand while he still can but enough already.

“Building a shrine to himself”? The Man in the Arena episodes it is primarily about the team and the storylines of those seasons which are centered on other players.

Tom v Time? You might have a point, don’t agree in regard to this series which I think is freaking awesome. He gives lots of credit to teammates and Belichick throughout.

 

[RobertWeathers]

“Building a shrine to himself”? The Man in the Arena episodes it is primarily about the team and the storylines of those seasons which are centered on other players.

Tom v Time? You might have a point, don’t agree in regard to this series which I think is freaking awesome. He gives lots of credit to teammates and Belichick throughout.

C'mon now.

Nothing wrong with enjoying the content but the EP's role is to make money and further a brand/message.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Ali’s career reminds me of Brady.

Phase 1 - Upset and Rise. Begin as cinderella story (Liston/Rams)…then established themselves as dominant champions of the sport.

Setback - (Dodging the draft and losing prime years/Scandals, Giants losses, 10 year drought)

Phase 2 - Climb back to top. Rise again to championship despite no longer being at peak; adapt performance. In this stage, all of the most classic battles (Frazier, Frazier II, Foreman/ SB49, SB51)

Phase 3 - Longevity stretch. Become champion at an age no one thought possible.

Good one


also Who are some of the longest longevity hockey players?

Brady is in extra small company doing what he's doing. I can't imagine the 2nd next NFL player to be elite at older age.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Jesus that is a well thought-out parallel.

Well done.

I noticed it years ago, when I watched When We Were Kings and started watching all of Ali’s older footage. As personalities go, total opposites. But the career arcs are so similar.

The point where I felt it was uncanny was watching SB49 and then Ali’s Rumble in the Jungle against Foreman.

Both athletes were long chasing redemption. Brady with all his setbacks. Two heartbreaking SB losses, Spygate, Deflategate, so many disappointments…and suddenly he went from the greatest young QB to a 37 year old fighting for his legacy. Ali had been stripped of his belts in his own scandal at age 25, avoiding the draft, and he, like Brady, had gone from celebrated champion to pariah. When he returned three and a half years later, he was no longer that superhumanly fast boxer who could literally run circles around opponents for ten rounds. He was slower and adapted his strategy to be more defensive/counter focused. It took him over seven years from the time he was stripped of his championships to regain the title from Foreman…and like Brady, he had met several heartbreaking setbacks, including a lost title fight against Frazier two years prior.

Rumble in the Jungle was where Ali used the Rope-A-Dope to strategically get pummeled by the strongest puncher in the world for many rounds before doing his thing...and after his youth (and exile from boxing), he was very much a fundamental fighter relying on defense…no longer flashy and brash in the ring but still great with his mind.

Foreman had emerged in a big way, annihilating Ali’s contemporaries like Frazier and Norton. This reminded me of Brady against the Seahawks, who had recently disposed of Manning and Rodgers, and appeared to be unstoppable. And of course, the counterintuitive strategy of Ali in absorbing blows from the hardest puncher wasn’t unlike Brady throwing 50 times against the league’s most dominant secondary.

There are also big parallels with Ali’s next famous bout, Thrilla in Manilla, where he outlasted Frazier in 100 degree temps and basically collapsed afterward. That reminded me a lot of Super Bowl 51 with Brady’s exhausted triumph. And these matches established both of them as the undisputed greatest ever.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Good one


also Who are some of the longest longevity hockey players?

Brady is in extra small company doing what he's doing. I can't imagine the 2nd next NFL player to be elite at older age.

Gordie Howe is one of them for hockey. Yeah, I don’t see another guy playing into his mid 40s at QB, but it’s possible.

 

[VectorPrime]

Gordie Howe is one of them for hockey. Yeah, I don’t see another guy playing into his mid 40s at QB, but it’s possible.

Chara is but it’s depressing.

 

[upstater1]

Yeah but they also offered him like 12 or 13 mil a year which is a flat out slap to the face.

I read it was $20-25m. Where did you read they offered him $12m?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I read it was $20-25m. Where did you read they offered him $12m?

Patriots reportedly tried to extend Tom Brady before 2019 season

“The Patriots offered him two years and $53 million in training camp in 2019, and Brady turned it down,”

 

[RobertWeathers]

My understanding was the 2/53 deal was heavy on incentives.

The team absolutely did not want dead money more than 1 year after the contract expired.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

My understanding was the 2/53 deal was heavy on incentives.

The team absolutely did not want dead money more than 1 year after the contract expired.

I don't think it was about the money. I think it had more to do with Brady wanting more of a say in the personnel to acquire and perhaps some of the playcalling/game planning. Belichick is very much a "do your job" kind of guy, so he expected Brady do to his job and only his job. With the NEP, Belichick is the alpha dog. Like I was saying earlier, I don't think anything changed from NEP's perspective - Brady was going to get treated the same as he's always been. However, Brady wanted more special treatment, so he left.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't think it was about the money. I think it had more to do with Brady wanting more of a say in the personnel to acquire and perhaps some of the playcalling/game planning. Belichick is very much a "do your job" kind of guy, so he expected Brady do to his job and only his job. With the NEP, Belichick is the alpha dog.

That too. Just saying what the NEP wanted in the contract.

Tom had enough. Enough of the contracts. Enough of the program. Enough of being in a box and enough of Bill.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Brady was 41-42 at the time of these negotiations, there was significant risk involved in a long term deal. It would've been GM malpractice to act like he was 34. Plus the rest of our offensive roster was bad (nothing like the Bucs) - JE on his last legs, Gronk gone, Sanu didn't work, Trent Brown gone, Thuney on the way out, etc. So even if we'd done a deal and had TB last year, we weren't winning anything.

The divorce was a win-win, there's nobody to blame for anything. Tom was able to hook up with a better offense, and Bill was able to take a year to tear it down and build it back.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That too. Just saying what the NEP wanted in the contract.

Tom had enough. Enough of the contracts. Enough of the program. Enough of being in a box and enough of Bill.

He saw the preferential treatment peyton was getting in Denver and wanted the same thing. He wanted to be QB/Assistant GM/Assistant OC. That doesn't work in NE with Bill in charge.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He saw the preferential treatment peyton was getting in Denver and wanted the same thing. He wanted to be QB/Assistant GM/Assistant OC. That doesn't work in NE with Bill in charge.

I don't know if it's preferential treatment ( I think Gisele wanted that) but I think he wanted a bit more of a "partnership" with the FO side of the house.

But then I hear these stories about how BB reached out to Tom about Moss and LaFell (not sure about Sanu or Brown) so not sure if Tom wanted more out of the partnership or if the partnership had deteriorated and he didn't want to be just a spoke in the wheel.

 

[amfootball]

He saw the preferential treatment peyton was getting in Denver and wanted the same thing. He wanted to be QB/Assistant GM/Assistant OC. That doesn't work in NE with Bill in charge.

Brady did say that he did like how Manning went to Denver and kind of got to reset his career. I also think he was looking for something different, and a different way of doing things. He is on the record as saying he wanted to see if there was a different approach that could also produce a championship and he obviously found that Tampa.

As I was watching the Pats/Bills game last week, it kind of struck me that Brady was done with that type of offense/game plan. He really wanted to have a better O and be a part of these more high flying/potent attacks as opposed to a defensively led team. I don't blame him at all for that as after 20 years he was ready for a change. I also don't blame Bill either because although I would have loved for him to have evolved and given Brady some of things he wanted, his program has been so successful and he is almost 70 so why change at this point.

It is nice to see both of them proving just how great they are this year after the Pats had to reset last year with Newton.