Bill Belichick appreciation thread

[Wozzy]

Yes the bucks stops with BB. But the fact you're weakly grasping at straws, claiming every draft has been good, is laughable.

Do you want to go through it? I'm totally game. Let's go through every single sh-tty draft that has john carroll idiot fingerprints all over them.

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You said 2013, I listed the rookies acquired that year… it was a good draft.

You say you have knowledge of the inner workings of the Patriots draft room… thanks, I’m good, there’s no arguing crazy.

 

[Wozzy]

You are wasting your time.

I’m realizing this is a special kind of narcissistic delusion.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

BTW, what color jersey did Flutie wear? I'm surprised you didn't answer that before someone had to ask.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

With the number of deceased equines being flogged in this thread( including APF's, among many others), you could start a freakin' rodeo.

 

[Biffins]

Bill Belichick never released Tom Brady. That is a false claim.

Ok he refused to pay Brady $25m for 2 years, which was super cheap for a guy like Brady, and was in effect a slap in Brady's face and hence he gave Brady no choice and effectively pushed him out.

Brady is the #15th highest paid in NFL. Firmly middle of the pack. And half of the starting QBs below him are on rookie contracts. Brady is cheap. And for that puny cost you get the NFL MVP. Brady is super awesome value and cheap as chips.

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In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

 

[zipster9]

Ok he refused to pay Brady $25m for 2 years, which was super cheap for a guy like Brady, and was in effect a slap in Brady's face and hence he gave Brady no choice and effectively pushed him out.

Brady is the #15th highest paid in NFL. Firmly middle of the pack. And half of the starting QBs below him are on rookie contracts. Brady is cheap. And for that puny cost you get the NFL MVP. Brady is super awesome value and cheap as chips.

NFL Quarterback Salaries 2021: Who are the highest paid QBs in the league?

They are the men in charge of commanding their team’s offense in the NFL. Is there a position more important than Quarterback? Here are the highest paid QB’s in the NFL for the 2021 season.

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In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

Brady in many occasions took less $$$ to get better players signed.... When he decided, "no more", he was viled by many when he left Patriots...
Not like some divas who always want top dollar....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ok he refused to pay Brady $25m for 2 years, which was super cheap for a guy like Brady, and was in effect a slap in Brady's face and hence he gave Brady no choice and effectively pushed him out.

Brady is the #15th highest paid in NFL. Firmly middle of the pack. And half of the starting QBs below him are on rookie contracts. Brady is cheap. And for that puny cost you get the NFL MVP. Brady is super awesome value and cheap as chips.

NFL Quarterback Salaries 2021: Who are the highest paid QBs in the league?

They are the men in charge of commanding their team’s offense in the NFL. Is there a position more important than Quarterback? Here are the highest paid QB’s in the NFL for the 2021 season.

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In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

Can you just ****ing stop.

A decision was made.

The NEP are 8-4.

If they were 1-11 you would have a legitimate gripe.

But you don't.

Move on.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok he refused to pay Brady $25m for 2 years, which was super cheap for a guy like Brady, and was in effect a slap in Brady's face and hence he gave Brady no choice and effectively pushed him out.

Brady is the #15th highest paid in NFL. Firmly middle of the pack. And half of the starting QBs below him are on rookie contracts. Brady is cheap. And for that puny cost you get the NFL MVP. Brady is super awesome value and cheap as chips.

NFL Quarterback Salaries 2021: Who are the highest paid QBs in the league?

They are the men in charge of commanding their team’s offense in the NFL. Is there a position more important than Quarterback? Here are the highest paid QB’s in the NFL for the 2021 season.

bolavip.com

In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

Before he left the patriots in effect gave him a blank check saying “what can we do to keep you” he said “nothing I’m gone” so it’s wrong to say they refused to pay him any amount.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady in many occasions took less $$$ to get better players signed.... When he decided, "no more", he was viled by many when he left Patriots...
Not like some divas who always want top dollar....

It was best for everyone.
Brady went to a place that had a roster and cap situation that allowed them to go all in.
The Patriots had already gone all in and didn’t have the resources to rebuild the team around him. They leveraged the savings on the QB spot to accelerate the rebuild.
Had they kept Brady the 2020 team would have been significantly worse than the 2019 team, and in 2021 instead of having 67 mill to spend they would have had about 17, so this years rebuild would be put off until at least next year. Who would endorse 2-3 down years in order to rebuild around a 45 year old qb.

 

[Bruins29]

I’m realizing this is a special kind of narcissistic delusion.

Yeah. You are discussing football with a moron who makes fun of construction workers thinking that they couldn’t know much about the game because they are a construction worker

that is what you are dealing with

 

[Biffins]

Brady in many occasions took less $$$ to get better players signed.... When he decided, "no more", he was viled by many when he left Patriots...
Not like some divas who always want top dollar....

Except he's still taking less. I just gave you the link to prove it. He's #15 in QB salary.

What would you like him to be? #32?!?!?

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[Biffins]

Before he left the patriots in effect gave him a blank check saying “what can we do to keep you” he said “nothing I’m gone” so it’s wrong to say they refused to pay him any amount.

Patriots gave Brady a blank check to keep him!?!?!?!?!? Revisionist history much? Come on!!

 

[Biffins]

Can you just ****ing stop.

A decision was made.

The NEP are 8-4.

If they were 1-11 you would have a legitimate gripe.

But you don't.

Move on.

"A decision was made". Thanks for clearing that. I agree with you. A decision was made to let Brady go. Thanks for clarifying. Ring 6 seemed to be under a misapprehension.

 

[Biffins]

Can you just ****ing stop.

A decision was made.

The NEP are 8-4.

If they were 1-11 you would have a legitimate gripe.

But you don't.

Move on.

I've moved on. But I won't stand for the hero-worshipping of BB's past decisions either. He's had a great draft this and is doing a great job coaching the team. That doesn't make his past decisions correct. That's all.

And yes I am elated we're 8-4 and things look great.

 

[RobertWeathers]

"A decision was made". Thanks for clearing that. I agree with you. A decision was made to let Brady go. Thanks for clarifying. Ring 6 seemed to be under a misapprehension.

You are being presumptuous.

The NEP chose not to extend Tom because Tom no longer wanted to be here.

Thus a decision was made.

 

[Bruins29]

That doesn't make his past decisions correct. That's all.

So they are not correct because you dont think they are correct? So if he makes moves that are all incorrect and the team ends up winning the SuperBowl are the moves still incorrect.

I am legitimately confused as to how a BB decision correctness is measured.

 

[Biffins]

So they are not correct because you dont think they are correct? So if he makes moves that are all incorrect and the team ends up winning the SuperBowl are the moves still incorrect.

I am legitimately confused as to how a BB decision correctness is measured.

He got lucky he got Mac Jones. Luck is an important factor.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

So Brady, WHO IS NOT A NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT, left the team after the 2019 season. LEFT. THE. TEAM. And yeah, however you want to put it, he just wasn't feelin' the Bill thing anymore. (I doubt it was because he'd have to sit in front of 7-11 asking for change in a styrofoam cup... I think he left because he could no longer take enough cuts to avoid the low-talent year that we saw unfold last year. He also knew that we shot a semi-big wad going after AB, and AB proceeded to be, in NE's view, unplayable. There's all sorts of room for speculation, but we can at least say that a) a QB always having to play without weapons would have seen his new toy evaporate, and (b) such a QB might have lobbied pretty hard to get said guy.

Whatever the play by play, he'd have to play with whatever we could scrape up in NE, where in TB he had this "Just Add Me, Makes Its Own Lombardi" recipe.

And don't kid yourself. Just like we couldn't afford any kind of QB last year, we are getting a massive break having Mac on a rookie deal rather than ANY veteran QB, never mind the GOAT.

"In effect, BB pushed him out to be able to restock other positions" is just as legit a way to phrase it.

Let's figure out what it means to say you'd give Mac a monster extension at 35-40M "in a few years." He's under contract for 4 years.

To somehow compare Mac's first real payday to anything from the Brady era, realize you'll be comparing a 2019 demand vs. a 2025 contract.

Subtract 5 years from 2019 and you have the 2014 comps (to measure against 2019, when Brady wanted $25M APY for 2020):

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In 2014, the franchise tag for a QB was $16.2M. Brady's $25 M 2020 ask would be considdable more, but actually in line w/general growth...

In 2014, the cap was $133M. It was $198.2M in 2020. So about 49% more.

2021 - now - is the "down" year, with a cap of "only" $182M. Next year it will be $208M. To get to Mac's 2025 numbers you have to know the cap in 2025, and I don't. (If this is a known number, tell me!)

Now a coupla things: Good on you for your ballsy praise of Bill Belichick for drafting our next franchise QB in Mac Jones. I tend to agree (though as always, the future is unwritten.)

This part is great: It depends in part on what you think will happen with COVID. I wasn't really even thinking about that, but you know, omicron right?

So the $208M cap in 2022 is an "as much as $208M" number. I'm hoping the NFL remains on the rebound, that is, that this present variant or future variants won't result in a big virus rebound/empty stands/etc., which, in this context, affects gate. But let's say next year will still be a $208M cap.

Mac's 2025 contract, according to some projections I was finding of what we'd see going forward as the league "rebounded" from 2020, which was going to be "the" COVID year, was around $270M-$300M. I'm pretty sure that's a total guess, mind you, but I believe there was a huge TV contract signed in March so it's not like there's no money coming in.

The (hypothetical) increase of $182M in 2021 to $270M in 2025 would be about a 48% increase in 5 years.

The 2021 QB tag is $24M. Using that as a proxy for "elite QB," and multiplying by 1.48, brings the number to 35.52M/Year on the low end.

The variables on projecting this number are:
- The cap. If it's higher and every other assumption is the same, then the future franchise cap will be higher.
- The proportion that a QB gets. If the position is not calculated at the same percentage of the cap as it is now, then the number changes.
- It's a variable whether I figured something wrong even on the back of the envelope. I'm tired.
- the big one: all else being equal, you seem to be predicting that Mac will be paid like a Top 5 QB on his next deal; as I said, from your keyboard to God's monitor.

I mean, I want to see that too (the monster $35M-$40M APY extension), because it assumes both
1) The league is healthy in 2025, and
2) Mac Jones is dominant by 2025

And I like both of your predictions (though I cant say I can agree with them with this little data. I'd love it though!)

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He got lucky he got Mac Jones. Luck is an important factor.

If you explain positive results by supernatural intervention, here phrased "luck," and explain negative results using a naturalistic method, i.e., there is something wrong with how he tried to achieve the right results, so he got the wrong ones, the different systems applied to the different outcomes makes it impossible to falsify whatever predetermined outcome you wish to support (for example, the "BB sucks at drafting" hypothesis.) Edit: that's bad. You want things to be falsifiable, or they have no value.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Ok he refused to pay Brady $25m for 2 years, which was super cheap for a guy like Brady, and was in effect a slap in Brady's face and hence he gave Brady no choice and effectively pushed him out.

Brady is the #15th highest paid in NFL. Firmly middle of the pack. And half of the starting QBs below him are on rookie contracts. Brady is cheap. And for that puny cost you get the NFL MVP. Brady is super awesome value and cheap as chips.

NFL Quarterback Salaries 2021: Who are the highest paid QBs in the league?

They are the men in charge of commanding their team’s offense in the NFL. Is there a position more important than Quarterback? Here are the highest paid QB’s in the NFL for the 2021 season.

bolavip.com

In effect BB pushed him out by not agreeing to pay $25m.

I want to see Mac Jones' monster contract extension at $35-40m per year in a few years.

Brady is frickin' old...there's no telling how long his dominant play is going to last or when he's going to retire. Belichick had to make a decision at the end of 2019, which was not Brady's best year. He bounced back in 2020-2021 in large part because of the weapons Tampa had and NE did not have. I like where we're at. With Mac, he doesn't whine. He's happy to be here.