OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

SB 36, 38, 39, and 53 - the defenses in those super bowl years played a more primary role than the offense

36 yes. Not 38 and 39 at all.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Huh. Never knew touchdown passes are more important than wins...

Scoreboard doesn't lie or make excuses. It tells it like it is. Bill .000 vs Brady.

To quote you, it's a team sport. Since we are talking individual stats, Tom was 50%, 0 TDs vs Bill.

 

[Deus Irae]

Having lost four games in a row to fall to 5-6, the Saints are apparently shaking things up at quarterback.

According to NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport, Taysom Hill has been taking first-team reps over Trevor Siemian at practice this week in preparation for Thursday’s game against the Cowboys.

Siemain took over at quarterback when Jameis Winston tore his ACL in the Week Eight win over the Buccaneers. But New Orleans has lost every game since, with the offense often getting off to slow starts. Siemian and the rest of the unit put up just six points in the team’s Thanksgiving loss to Buffalo.

Report: Taysom Hill taking first-team reps at QB in practice this week - ProFootballTalk

 

[Guts]

SB 36, 38, 39, and 53 - the defenses in those super bowl years played a more primary role than the offense

36 and 53 definitely defense carried them. 38 was back and forth scoring wise, 39 a mixture of both. 49 was a complete team effort and 51 I think is the ultimate Tom Brady game.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

36 yes. Not 38 and 39 at all.

2003 - Pats defense ranked 1st, offense 11th with defense shutting down Tenn and Indy in the playoffs

36 and 53 definitely defense carried them. 38 was back and forth scoring wise, 39 a mixture of both. 49 was a complete team effort and 51 I think is the ultimate Tom Brady game.

In other words both Brady and Bill were instrumental to one another winning 6 titles

 

[amfootball]

Report: Taysom Hill taking first-team reps at QB in practice this week - ProFootballTalk

Figured they would move off of Siemian. Not sure Taysom will give them much of anything as he is a gadjet Qb.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs gave up 21 points in the second quarter Sunday and still won. NFL teams giving up at least 21 in second quarter were 3-36 since the start of 2019 season before Sunday. Bucs were 0-22 in such games in their history before Sunday.

 

[Deus Irae]

Actual answer: Bucs (and Bradley Pinion) are tied for second-best touchback percentage in NFL at 81 percent. Down slightly from last year at 83 percent. https://teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct

 

[Guts]

2003 - Pats defense ranked 1st, offense 11th with defense shutting down Tenn and Indy in the playoffs



In other words both Brady and Bill were instrumental to one another winning 6 titles

Yeah I've always had that stance, but like Belichick would say "No QB I'd rather have than Tom Brady." Those last minute drives had to do more with the players than the coaches.

 

[VectorPrime]

Defense at the end of 36 was also completely gassed. If that game goes to OT and Rams win the toss it’s over.

Also Brady was who won the game before SB53 because the defense couldn’t make a single stop in the second half.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yeah I've always had that stance, but like Belichick would say "No QB I'd rather have than Tom Brady." Those last minute drives had to do more with the players than the coaches.

sure, “there’s no QB I’d rather have” is right about Brady, but that is not the same as saying Belichick owes his success to Brady. sB1 reminds me of Skip Bayless.

 

[CantonJester]

12 carries for 26 yards. Feeding that would have resulted in a blowout loss for the Colts. Wentz is the reason the Colts were winning that game into the 3rd quarter.

Huh? He had 16 carries for 83 yards and a TD. Where did you pull 12 carries for 26 yards?

 

[sb1]

SB 36, 38, 39, and 53 - the defenses in those super bowl years played a more primary role than the offense

Super Bowl 36 - the Pats did get 3 big turnovers and the Ty Law pick 6 - but they still gave up 427 yards of offense and a then-Super Bowl record passing game from Warner. Only one QB could have done what Brady did at the end. Antowain Smith had a great game too.

SB38 - the defense was excellent that year but they definitely weren't in that game. Delhomme is one of the the worst Super Bowl QBs of all time and he still had a rating of 113. We all remember how Wilson got dusted by Muhammad. Brady threw for 354 yards against an outstanding defense.

SB39- Brady had a 110 rating against the #2 scoring defense in the league. An injured TO had his way with the defense in that game.

SB53 - The run game came up big for us. Brady threw a dime to Gronk on that TD drive against an excellent defense. Our defense was great and that game really was never in doubt at any point, but it was the offense that cinched it not the defense.

 

[Deus Irae]

Huh? He had 16 carries for 83 yards and a TD. Where did you pull 12 carries for 26 yards?

Having gone back to double check the numbers, it seems that the numbers I posted earlier were a misprint. It should have read 8 carries for 25 yards.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Indianapolis Colts - November 28th, 2021 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

But it was about the first half carries (Which is why the numbers were followed by "Wentz is the reason the Colts were winning that game into the 3rd quarter".) . The run game was a liability for the Colts in the first half.

 

[Deus Irae]

First Colts drive (after the pinion 14 yard punt)
Taylor 2 carries - 4 yards


Second Colts drive
Taylor - No carries


Third Colts drive
Taylor 1 carry - -2 yards


Fourth Colts drive
Taylor 1 carry - No gain



That's the Colts/Taylor running game in quarter one. First quarter score:


Colts 3, Bucs 0

 

[Deus Irae]

Colts/Taylor running game in quarter two:

First drive
Taylor 1 carry - 5 yards


Second drive
Taylor 3 carries - 18 yards (2/5/1)


Third drive
Taylor - No carries



Halftime score:

Colts 24, Bucs 14

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

sure, “there’s no QB I’d rather have” is right about Brady, but that is not the same as saying Belichick owes his success to Brady. sB1 reminds me of Skip Bayless.

Well let's see what happens.

Mac Jones is ****ing awesome so far. Bill has a good quarterback and a stellar team with a top defense. The point that people have made about Brady is that his play down the stretch, and in the biggest moments, is why the Patriots won so many Super Bowls. Not the only reason, but a major reason. And this is why people say that any coach, including Belichick, wouldn't be as successful with a quarterback like Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc. who have often come up short when it's do or die.

And no, I'm not saying that Bill needs to win a Super Bowl to be legimatimate, or that he even needs to win one to be considered the GOAT. But I'd like to see how this formula works with someone other than Brady...mostly, I'd like to see how the Patriots fare in postseason games against alpha dog quarterbacks and if they're out classed. Hopefully Bill will coach another 4-5 years and we get plenty of postseason games.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Super Bowl 36 - the Pats did get 3 big turnovers and the Ty Law pick 6 - but they still gave up 427 yards of offense and a then-Super Bowl record passing game from Warner. Only one QB could have done what Brady did at the end. Antowain Smith had a great game too.

SB38 - the defense was excellent that year but they definitely weren't in that game. Delhomme is one of the the worst Super Bowl QBs of all time and he still had a rating of 113. We all remember how Wilson got dusted by Muhammad. Brady threw for 354 yards against an outstanding defense.

SB39- Brady had a 110 rating against the #2 scoring defense in the league. An injured TO had his way with the defense in that game.

SB53 - The run game came up big for us. Brady threw a dime to Gronk on that TD drive against an excellent defense. Our defense was great and that game really was never in doubt at any point, but it was the offense that cinched it not the defense.

If it weren't for Bill's defenses in 2001 and 2003, Brady wouldn't have even sniffed the super bowl. And in 2014, it was Malcolm Butler's INT that cinched it and as we know this was because of Bill's coaching. In Super Bowl 53, Brady only made one pass to Gronk worth mentioning. Other than that, it was all defense all day. So that's 4 super bowls Bill's defenses were more responsible for than Brady's offense.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well let's see what happens.

Mac Jones is ****ing awesome so far. Bill has a good quarterback and a stellar team with a top defense. The point that people have made about Brady is that his play down the stretch, and in the biggest moments, is why the Patriots won so many Super Bowls. Not the only reason, but a major reason. And this is why people say that any coach, including Belichick, wouldn't be as successful with a quarterback like Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc. who have often come up short when it's do or die.

And I would submit to you that Brady has come up so big in large part due to how he was coached. Manning, Rodgers, and Brees all would have won at least 3 rings under Belichick. Without star players around him, I don't think Brady gets very far outside of Belichick's system. That is not to say that Brady wouldn't be a good QB - I just don't think he wins the super bowl anywhere else without stars like Gronk, AB, Godwin, and Evans.

 

[amfootball]

And I would submit to you that Brady has come up so big in large part due to how he was coached. Manning, Rodgers, and Brees all would have won at least 3 rings under Belichick. Without star players around him, I don't think Brady gets very far outside of Belichick's system.

Good heavens. Bill is a defensive coach. Are you seriously implying that Tom Moore , Darrell Beville and Sean Payton don't know how to coach QBs? Really?