Nick Chubb test positive for COVID

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People being free to make their own choices should ALWAYS be the only alternative.

You going to vaxx that sweet kid when she's due to be vaxxed for mmr etc?

Think about what you are saying here... There are repercussions to freedom of choice... There are instances where societal bounds must act as a barrier to freedom of choice... I mean it sounds great in theory, but it's not practical.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I can understand why having your precious worldview mocked may not be funny to you.

There is nothing funny about hundreds of thousands of people dying because their allegiance to a cult keeps them from getting a lifesaving vaccine.

 

[Tunescribe]

No they don’t. Technology is at such a pace right now that they never need to leave their house. As for the last sentence? Isn’t that why they got vaccinated?

When "they" become "we," you'll have a different perspective. Meanwhile, you might be well served to start indoctrinating your daughter for a career in geriatric nursing.

 

[Simpelton]

People being free to make their own choices should ALWAYS be the only alternative.

That's actually untrue and you know it. No one should be able to freely choose to put others in danger or trample their rights. That's a legal principle as old as law.

And therein lies the problem. This virus CAN kill. It is more likely to kill vulnerable people but the fact is that a lot of us have health conditions that make us more vulnerable. You can't just put people in danger of death, even a low danger of death, without expecting that the law is going to come in and ruin your fun. America doesn't work that way.

This is hardly the first time vaccine mandates have been rolled out in this country. Heck, the Continental Army was inoculated against smallpox, protest as they might. Individuals have taken appeals against vaccine mandates before, such as the famous Jacobson v Massachusetts 1905 case that affirmed that the government's responsibility to protect its citizens outweighed any Constitutional objection.

The fact is that the antis don't have a legal leg to stand on here. Probably don't have a moral one either unless they have an explicit religious objection. And right now the government's going really easy on them compared to the stuff they'd do a century ago to those refusing public health mandates, but that's another story.

 

[Kontradiction]

Unvaxxed folks have the option of hunkering down and staying inside if they're that afraid of the vax. Food for thought.

They sure do. They also have the option of leaving the house if they want. This isn’t the Soviet Union or, for a more recent example, Australia. This isn’t that hard - if you want to get the vaccine, get it. If you don’t? Don’t. If you feel that your life is in danger if you go outside, stay inside. If you want to go outside, go. It’s common sense. It’s the path Florida took. We dealt with our lumps and came out on the other side with the lowest cases in the nation.

You going to vaxx that sweet kid when she's due to be vaxxed for mmr etc?

Think about what you are saying here... There are repercussions to freedom of choice... There are instances where societal bounds must act as a barrier to freedom of choice... I mean it sounds great in theory, but it's not practical.

She’s already starting to get those. You’re trying to frame me as being anti-vax when I’m not. I’m very pro-vax. I’m anti-mandate. Luckily, I have years before I even have to start thinking about the Covid vaccine for her. So I can let the rest of you with kids take that leap and then analyze the data on it when it’s my time. That’s a luxury. You’ll forgive me if I’m not blindly willing to trust the FDA after they opened the barrier to allowing millions of people to get addicted to OxyContin.

 

[Triumph]

No they don’t. Technology is at such a pace right now that they never need to leave their house. As for the last sentence? Isn’t that why they got vaccinated?

No.

You get vaccinated so you wont spread covid. That is why Chubb is in quarantine and wearing a mask.

See?

 

[Triumph]

There is nothing funny about hundreds of thousands of people dying because their allegiance to a cult keeps them from getting a lifesaving vaccine.

Coming from the cult of Brandon.

 

[Simpelton]

They sure do. They also have the option of leaving the house if they want. This isn’t the Soviet Union or, for a more recent example, Australia. This isn’t that hard - if you want to get the vaccine, get it. If you don’t? Don’t. If you feel that your life is in danger if you go outside, stay inside. If you want to go outside, go. It’s common sense. It’s the path Florida took. We dealt with our lumps and came out on the other side with the lowest cases in the nation.



She’s already starting to get those. You’re trying to frame me as being anti-vax when I’m not. I’m very pro-vax. I’m anti-mandate. Luckily, I have years before I even have to start thinking about the Covid vaccine for her. So I can let the rest of you with kids take that leap and then analyze the data on it when it’s my time. That’s a luxury. You’ll forgive me if I’m not blindly willing to trust the FDA after they opened the barrier to allowing millions of people to get addicted to OxyContin.

Sorry, precedent for vaccine mandates in this country is hundreds of years old. each state used to have their Board of health that assigned mandates based on which particular epidemic was festering within a given town, and they could issue orders to boil water, vaccine mandates, and even quarantines where the residents were NOT to leave their house UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES until their disease had done its thing

The fact of the matter is, Kon, that legal precedent of enforced quarantine still exists, the government has the undisputed authority to lock you in your house if you display symptoms of a potentially lethal disease, and CoVID qualifies. They haven't gone that far yet with this pandemic, but if we start getting the global pandemic under control, you might see it when there's local flareups.

 

[Nunchucks]

No.

You get vaccinated so you wont spread covid. That is why Chubb is in quarantine and wearing a mask.

See?

Less likely to spread, less likely to contract, and less likely to be hospitalized...all this is true.

 

[Pape]

They sure do. They also have the option of leaving the house if they want. This isn’t the Soviet Union or, for a more recent example, Australia. This isn’t that hard - if you want to get the vaccine, get it. If you don’t? Don’t. If you feel that your life is in danger if you go outside, stay inside. If you want to go outside, go. It’s common sense. It’s the path Florida took. We dealt with our lumps and came out on the other side with the lowest cases in the nation.



She’s already starting to get those. You’re trying to frame me as being anti-vax when I’m not. I’m very pro-vax. I’m anti-mandate. Luckily, I have years before I even have to start thinking about the Covid vaccine for her. So I can let the rest of you with kids take that leap and then analyze the data on it when it’s my time. That’s a luxury. You’ll forgive me if I’m not blindly willing to trust the FDA after they opened the barrier to allowing millions of people to get addicted to OxyContin.

Running out of time... Will reply later.

 

[Kontradiction]

When "they" become "we," you'll have a different perspective.

Not really. Older people don’t have a monopoly on that opinion. See Florida. We have a lower case rate than any state right now because it’s not a virus with a high mortality rate and you get the added benefit of antibodies afterward. Common sense. Moreover, when “they” become “we,” “we” will look back on this point of history as comedy gold.

Meanwhile, you might be well served to start indoctrinating your daughter for a career in geriatric nursing.

No thanks. Doesn’t pay well enough and I don’t want her to end up with a bad back in her 50s.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's actually untrue and you know it. No one should be able to freely choose to put others in danger or trample their rights. That's a legal principle as old as law.

First off, and I feel like I can say this since you’ve owned it in the past, you are in no position to be giving ANYONE health advice or talk down to anyone based on the choices they make about their health. You weigh 1/4 of a ton. You’re super obese and you don’t appear to be doing anything about it.

Secondly, you put others in danger and “trample their rights” (LMFAO) every single day. You do it when you get behind the wheel or go out with the common cold or the flu.

And therein lies the problem. This virus CAN kill.

Yeah. Less than 2% of the population.

It is more likely to kill vulnerable people but the fact is that a lot of us have health conditions that make us more vulnerable.

You have health conditions and weigh 500 pounds and yet you survived it. If you’re trying to make Covid sound more scary, you’re failing miserably.

You can't just put people in danger of death, even a low danger of death, without expecting that the law is going to come in and ruin your fun. America doesn't work that way.

Sure I can. I do it daily. You do it daily. We all do it daily. Freedom of choice is EXACTLY the way America works. That’s why Roe v Wade ended up being in favor of a woman’s right to choose. Florida did it that way and we came out on the other side of it smelling like a rose with a BOOMING economy. California did it your way and they still sustained a high loss of life, financial ruin, increased rates of overdose and suicide, and businesses leaving the state in droves.

This is hardly the first time vaccine mandates have been rolled out in this country. Heck, the Continental Army was inoculated against smallpox, protest as they might. Individuals have taken appeals against vaccine mandates before, such as the famous Jacobson v Massachusetts 1905 case that affirmed that the government's responsibility to protect its citizens outweighed any Constitutional objection.

Which virus had a less than 2% mortality rate when a mandate was given? Can you name them?

The fact is that the antis don't have a legal leg to stand on here.

We don’t? Can you cite why? Can you elaborate on why Biden’s mandate is now getting held up in the courts?

Probably don't have a moral one either unless they have an explicit religious objection.

Sure they do. It’s their bodies. It’s precisely why a religious objection exists.

And right now the government's going really easy on them compared to the stuff they'd do a century ago to those refusing public health mandates, but that's another story.

Yeah. No ****. That’s because we have evolved. You seem to want to go back a century based on your fear of this thing. It’s never a good look when you let fear override logic and guide you through your every day life.

 

[Kontradiction]

Sorry, precedent for vaccine mandates in this country is hundreds of years old. each state used to have their Board of health that assigned mandates based on which particular epidemic was festering within a given town, and they could issue orders to boil water, vaccine mandates, and even quarantines where the residents were NOT to leave their house UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES until their disease had done its thing

The fact of the matter is, Kon, that legal precedent of enforced quarantine still exists, the government has the undisputed authority to lock you in your house if you display symptoms of a potentially lethal disease, and CoVID qualifies. They haven't gone that far yet with this pandemic, but if we start getting the global pandemic under control, you might see it when there's local flareups.

1. Give me all of the viruses which had a vaccine mandate with a sub-2% mortality rate in our history.

2. Explain to me, in detail, how Florida took my route and ended up with the lowest case rate in the country after dealing with the effects. Be sure to detail precisely how many died that wouldn’t have had we taken California’s route. Be sure to detail precisely why California had such a high case rate even though they had the most draconian measures. Cite any data you are using to come to this conclusion.

 

[PatsWSB47]

There wasnt much anti vax sentiment ever in this country save for religious and anti government people before including up to when our former president was championing his warp speed vaccine program. He was a hero to those folks then that have now done an about face on the vaccine since he and his loyal subjects have used the vaccine as a wedge to separate themselves from everyone that doesn't walk in lock step with him. Every wacky alternative is perfectly acceptable now. Sheep. Wake up.

 

[Kontradiction]

Florida no longer reports their actual number of cases. They stopped in June. So your whole premise is wrong.

See Florida for how to cover up a problem.

That is completely incorrect. Hospitalizations, cases, and deaths are still reported to, and by, the CDC. All 3 are down. The hospitals in Jacksonville, a former hotbed for the Delta variant, are no longer overloaded and time to get into the ER is way down.

Scientifically speaking, you cannot have an event like we did in August and September, when Delta burned through the state, and NOT have the cases, deaths, and hospitalizations go down. Antibodies are real. I hate to be the bearer of good news, but they are. So those who were infected and survived, which is the OVERWHELMING majority, are now immune to the virus. Science is cool, eh?

 

[Rob0729]

1. Give me all of the viruses which had a vaccine mandate with a sub-2% mortality rate in our history.

2. Explain to me, in detail, how Florida took my route and ended up with the lowest case rate in the country after dealing with the effects. Be sure to detail precisely how many died that wouldn’t have had we taken California’s route. Be sure to detail precisely why California had such a high case rate even though they had the most draconian measures. Cite any data you are using to come to this conclusion.

You really going to use Florida as the example? Just a few weeks ago, over 2,000 people a week were dying from COVID in Florida. During the summer they had about a quarter of all the cases and deaths in this country.

And California has a death rate of 1847 deaths per 1 million people in the state. Florida has a death rate of 2813 deaths per 1 million people in the state. There are 39.5 million people living in California. So based on these numbers, California's "draconian measures" saved about 38,000 lives rather than using Florida's "let them die" approach. And Florida has 21.5 million people. If they took the California approach, based on these numbers, 21,700 or so people who died from COVID in Florida might be alive today.

My one political post and done even though this shouldn't be political in the first place.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yup, we all knew this thread wasn't going to get political...

 

[Rob0729]

Yup, we all knew this thread wasn't going to get political...

Yes, there was no way around it. I was going to sit it out, but I cannot let a fallacy go unchecked.

 

[fourhour]

You’re trying to frame me as being anti-vax when I’m not. I’m very pro-vax. I’m anti-mandate.

Ahh, that's a keeper! I like it!

I'm completely baffled by the exemptions. If you can exempt one............ and there's more than one. Why are the US Post Office employees exempt from the mandate? After all, they handle every piece of mail that enters our homes and businesses.

 

[Rob0729]

Ahh, that's a keeper! I like it!

I'm completely baffled by the exemptions. If you can exempt one............ and there's more than one. Why are the US Post Office employees exempt from the mandate? After all, they handle every piece of mail that enters our homes and businesses.

The Post Office is an autonomous organization from the federal government. The only power Biden has over them from a federal level is his abilty to appoint their board of directors. Biden cannot make them comply to mandates for federal employees. They will fall into the mandates for organizations over 100 employees though if and when that goes into effect.