Joe Montana: Niners should've taken Mac Jones

[SHOWTIME15]

Some Brady fans are upset that Montana said that Brady could play to he is 60 because you cannot touch the QB these days? That isn't even a hot take. It is a fact that QBs are more protected than they were back in the 90s.

All Montana was saying that the rules today to protect QBs mean that QBs are more likely to have longer careers. That is the fact. I didn't take it as sour grapes other than maybe he is jealous that QBs like Brady are protected today while Montana's body was wrecked during an era where the QBs had far fewer protections.

I know these Brady fans took it as Montana taking a swipe at Brady and trying to downplay his accomplishments, but there nothing in his comments that remotely suggest that.

I can only imagine that if Mac continues to have success they'll start tearing him down too...

 

[amfootball]

All Montana was saying that the rules today to protect QBs mean that QBs are more likely to have longer careers. That is the fact.

The actual stats don't bear this out at all which I am posting below from Ice on another thread. That is why it was a stupid take and a slight against Brady. The only outlier in terms of longevity+high level performance is Brady from Montana's era until now.


Moon played to 44
Krieg played to 40
Montana played to 38
Elway played to 38
Marino played to 38
Young played to 38
Simms played to 38
Cunningham played to 38
Kelly played to 36
Fouts played to 36

Brees played to 41
Favre played to 41
P. Manning played to 39
Rivers played to 39
Roethlisberger probably done at 39
Warner played to 38
E. Manning played to 38
Palmer played to 38
Romo played to 36
McNabb played to 35

 

[Triumph]

Joe Montanacare is peddling Medicare like Joe Namath.

Namath is the GOAT though because he is on the TV every 20 minutes.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The actual stats don't bear this out at all which I am posting below from Ice on another thread. That is why it was a stupid take and a slight against Brady. The only outlier in terms of longevity+high level performance is Brady from Montana's era until now.


Moon played to 44
Krieg played to 40
Montana played to 38
Elway played to 38
Marino played to 38
Young played to 38
Simms played to 38
Cunningham played to 38
Kelly played to 36
Fouts played to 36

Brees played to 41
Favre played to 41
P. Manning played to 39
Rivers played to 39
Roethlisberger probably done at 39
Warner played to 38
E. Manning played to 38
Palmer played to 38
Romo played to 36
McNabb played to 35

Just because there were many QBs who played until their late 30s/early 40s doesn’t mean their bodies weren’t absolutely abused. Today, you can’t hit the QB late, below the knees, or anywhere near the head/neck area. And you can’t pile drive a QB into the turf like many of the QBs above were. Brady can play until he’s 50 if he wanted in the modern NFL. Without the rule changes favoring QBs, Brady probably would have retired a few years ago.

 

[Froob]

No other organization irritates me more than SF. They are really dysfunctional.

Drafted a midget D lineman 3rd overall instead of Watson or Mahomes which proved to be the difference in 2019. Shanahan and Lynch seen high fiving thinking they won the 2017 draft.

Passed on Tom Brady because they didn’t want to pay him and take the spotlight away from Shanahan.

Passed on Stafford only offering a 2nd.

Could've got Jones at 12, but trades 2 first rounders for a one year Division 3 player they probably could’ve gotten at 12 as well.

This is only scratching the surface with their recent bad moves.

Yet media loves them and calls them geniuses.

 

[masterbouncer]

Those QBs playing until their late 30s/early 40s doesn’t mean their bodies weren’t abused. Today, you can’t hit the QB late, below the knees, or anywhere near the head/neck area. And you can’t pile drive a QB into the turf like many of the QBs above were. Brady can play until he’s 50 if he wanted in the modern NFL. Without the rule changes favoring QBs, Brady probably would have retired a few years ago.

yeah well but you can still hit the QB 5 sec after the play is blown dead without consequences as we have witnessed

 

[borg]

Now hes doing those dumb insurance commercials carrying luggage.

At least he's not on camera fervently gripping a footlong or locking himself in a hotel suite with his mattress

Joe's old school, he steers clear of metrosexual cringe

 

[Rob0729]

The actual stats don't bear this out at all which I am posting below from Ice on another thread. That is why it was a stupid take and a slight against Brady. The only outlier in terms of longevity+high level performance is Brady from Montana's era until now.


Moon played to 44
Krieg played to 40
Montana played to 38
Elway played to 38
Marino played to 38
Young played to 38
Simms played to 38
Cunningham played to 38
Kelly played to 36
Fouts played to 36

Brees played to 41
Favre played to 41
P. Manning played to 39
Rivers played to 39
Roethlisberger probably done at 39
Warner played to 38
E. Manning played to 38
Palmer played to 38
Romo played to 36
McNabb played to 35

Young is an outlier. He served as a back up for a number of years in San Fran. He didn't even start for 49ers until he was 30. He played for a couple of years in the USFL and a couple of years in Tampa, but he spent half his 20s riding the bench.

Phil Simms spent much of his late career repeatedly on IR. Marino should have retired two years earlier than he did. McNabb (retired in 2011) was from the pre-rules change era. Dave Krieg played his last two seasons as a back up in Tennessee. Palmer bounced around because he wasn't good during after his injuries which happened in the pre-rule change era (in fact one of the biggest rule changes was because of an injury he received).

But you are just randomly picking players. I don't think that scientific. Why didn't you include Troy Aikman who was forced to retire at 34? Or Bernie Kosar who was forced to retire at 33 and was basically done as a legitimate starter at age 29? And if you are going back to the 70s and 80s with Dan Fouts, why not look at Jim Everett (retired at 34), Bob Griese (35 when he retired), Archie Manning (also 35), Ken O'Brien (retired at 33), and Bert Jones (31 when he retired)?

 

[RobertWeathers]

At least he's not on camera fervently gripping a footlong or locking himself in a hotel suite with his mattress

Yea Tom is hit-n-miss with the ads.

The bitcoin one with Fireman Ed was good.

The mattress one was terrible.

 

[sb1]

The actual stats don't bear this out at all which I am posting below from Ice on another thread. That is why it was a stupid take and a slight against Brady. The only outlier in terms of longevity+high level performance is Brady from Montana's era until now.


Moon played to 44
Krieg played to 40
Montana played to 38
Elway played to 38
Marino played to 38
Young played to 38
Simms played to 38
Cunningham played to 38
Kelly played to 36
Fouts played to 36

Brees played to 41
Favre played to 41
P. Manning played to 39
Rivers played to 39
Roethlisberger probably done at 39
Warner played to 38
E. Manning played to 38
Palmer played to 38
Romo played to 36
McNabb played to 35

Bledsoe 35. I think he would have stuck around the league longer if the Bills didn't somehow think JP Losman was a better option and Romo wouldn't have pushed him out in Dallas.

 

[Bama Patriot]

Being a Bama fan first, on the night of the draft, I was upset because of the stupidity of the niners selecting Trey Lance ahead of Mac. As an aside, Booger McFarland is an idiot. I am now ecstatic Mac is a Pat, and once Mac was named starter ordered NFL GamePass to watch all the games. We don't get the Pats that often in Alabama on the local stations, and the old lady is not very fond of sitting in a BWW's for 3 1/2 hours to watch a game.

 

[Pats1971]

Those QBs playing until their late 30s/early 40s doesn’t mean their bodies weren’t abused. Today, you can’t hit the QB late, below the knees, or anywhere near the head/neck area. And you can’t pile drive a QB into the turf like many of the QBs above were. Brady can play until he’s 50 if he wanted in the modern NFL. Without the rule changes favoring QBs, Brady probably would have retired a few years ago.

Saying you cant do something does not mean it doesnt happen. You say any QB can do what Brady is doing but none do. QB's get hurt all the time, no less or more than they always have. NFl is a rough sport and today guys are bigger faster stronger than any other time in history. I mean what you are saying is because we have stop signs and road laws there are not wrecks, and thats not true.

 

[Pats1971]

Some Brady fans are upset that Montana said that Brady could play to he is 60 because you cannot touch the QB these days? That isn't even a hot take. It is a fact that QBs are more protected than they were back in the 90s.

All Montana was saying that the rules today to protect QBs mean that QBs are more likely to have longer careers. That is the fact. I didn't take it as sour grapes other than maybe he is jealous that QBs like Brady are protected today while Montana's body was wrecked during an era where the QBs had far fewer protections.

I know these Brady fans took it as Montana taking a swipe at Brady and trying to downplay his accomplishments, but there nothing in his comments that remotely suggest that.

How is that a fact? Which QB's that started around the time Brady did are still playing? Can you stop acting as though there are a bunch or any? A fact is something that is backed up by something. So lets see the evidence. Yes Montana was trying to downplay brady, notice he didnt mention any other QB's that are all going to play to 50. Where are they? Give me the run down of QB's drafted from 2000 to 2005 and their status. Lets see the list.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Saying you cant do something does not mean it doesnt happen. You say any QB can do what Brady is doing but none do. QB's get hurt all the time, no less or more than they always have. NFl is a rough sport and today guys are bigger faster stronger than any other time in history. I mean what you are saying is because we have stop signs and road laws there are not wrecks, and thats not true.

How often do non-running QBs get hurt today compared to the 80s-2000s?

 

[sb1]

I can only imagine that if Mac continues to have success they'll start tearing him down too...

Doubtful anyone would be doing that if they're a Pats fan.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

How is that a fact? Which QB's that started around the time Brady did are still playing? Can you stop acting as though there are a bunch or any? A fact is something that is backed up by something. So lets see the evidence. Yes Montana was trying to downplay brady, notice he didnt mention any other QB's that are all going to play to 50. Where are they? Give me the run down of QB's drafted from 2000 to 2005 and their status. Lets see the list.

No one is saying what Brady is doing isn’t remarkable. However, it’s clear he wouldn’t be in the league today without the rule changes that have benefitted QBs. That plus his nutrition/massage therapy have extended his career a lot.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

No other organization irritates me more than SF. They are really dysfunctional.

Drafted a midget D lineman 3rd overall instead of Watson or Mahomes which proved to be the difference in 2019. Shanahan and Lynch seen high fiving thinking they won the 2017 draft.

Passed on Tom Brady because they didn’t want to pay him and take the spotlight away from Shanahan.

Passed on Stafford only offering a 2nd.

Could've got Jones at 12, but trades 2 first rounders for a one year Division 3 player they probably could’ve gotten at 12 as well.

This is only scratching the surface with their recent bad moves.

Passed on Brady in 2000 too

 

[Pats1971]

No one is saying what Brady is doing isn’t remarkable. However, it’s clear he wouldn’t be in the league today without the rule changes that have benefitted QBs. That plus his nutrition/massage therapy have extended his career a lot.

Its clear? Ok something that is clear is based off evidence. Once again...QB's are not playing longer than they ever had, and they are all still getting hurt. Injuries has not went down. Stop signs do not grab the car and halt it from running through and hitting another car. Again, I am waiting for a list of QB's drafted from 2000 to 2005 and their status.

 

[sb1]

No one is saying what Brady is doing isn’t remarkable. However, it’s clear he wouldn’t be in the league today without the rule changes that have benefitted QBs. That plus his nutrition/massage therapy have extended his career a lot.

Is it? The latter sure but remember Brady has played in two eras - before and after the rule changes that Bill Polian helped implement in 2004. I think he'd have a long career no matter what era he was in.

 

[Pats1971]

How often do non-running QBs get hurt today compared to the 80s-2000s?

I dont have the figures, I just know that QB's are not playing longer than normal...except Brady. Rules are reletive. If you just took a defense today and dropped them in the 1980's they would kill players. Things have to move with the times. You didnt have 6'5 280 pound guys running 4.5 40's in the 80's.