Joe Montana: Niners should've taken Mac Jones

[Pats1971]

Is it? The latter sure but remember Brady has played in two eras - before and after the rule changes that Bill Polian helped implement in 2004. I think he'd have a long career no matter what era he was in.

I have heard era try to diminish Brady forever. I have yet to see how there is a large number of QB's doing the same thing yet. If its era you would have more and you dont. Brady was drafted in 2000. Lets see the list of QB's besides him? If its clear and a fact like someone just said, then lets see the evidence.

 

[Rob0729]

How is that a fact? Which QB's that started around the time Brady did are still playing? Can you stop acting as though there are a bunch or any? A fact is something that is backed up by something. So lets see the evidence. Yes Montana was trying to downplay brady, notice he didnt mention any other QB's that are all going to play to 50. Where are they? Give me the run down of QB's drafted from 2000 to 2005 and their status. Lets see the list.

Did you even watch the video? The question was that Tom Brady wants to play until he is 50 and whether he thought that was possible and Montana could have played to 50 if he started his career in the 2000s. He was answering the question asked of him.

If you watch the video, he was clearly joking about 60 and he clearly wasn't throwing shade at Brady. This is manufactured outrage.

And QBs are playing longer. That is a fact. They may be playing as long as Brady is and will be.

Joe Montana jokes Tom Brady can play until 60: 'They don't even touch him'

Tom Brady has said he'd consider playing until he's 50. Joe Montana believes he can play as long as he wants given the fact he's barely ever touched anymore.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Pats1971]

Did you even watch the video? The question was that Tom Brady wants to play until he is 50 and whether he thought that was possible and Montana could have played to 50 if he started his career in the 2000s. He was answering the question asked of him.

If you watch the video, he was clearly joking about 60 and he clearly wasn't throwing shade at Brady. This is manufactured outrage.

And QBs are playing longer. That is a fact. They may be playing as long as Brady is and will be.

Joe Montana jokes Tom Brady can play until 60: 'They don't even touch him'

Tom Brady has said he'd consider playing until he's 50. Joe Montana believes he can play as long as he wants given the fact he's barely ever touched anymore.

www.usatoday.com

Show me how QB's are playing longer. If its true then show it. How many QB's were drafted from 2000-2005, what is their status.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Is it? The latter sure but remember Brady has played in two eras - before and after the rule changes that Bill Polian helped implement in 2004. I think he'd have a long career no matter what era he was in.

You’re talking about the Ty Law rule, which has nothing to do with the topic. The 80s/90s were a different beast all together for QBs. Ask any defensive player who played in that era how they would fare today.

 

[sb1]

Did you even watch the video? The question was that Tom Brady wants to play until he is 50 and whether he thought that was possible and Montana could have played to 50 if he started his career in the 2000s. He was answering the question asked of him.

If you watch the video, he was clearly joking about 60 and he clearly wasn't throwing shade at Brady. This is manufactured outrage.

And QBs are playing longer. That is a fact. They may be playing as long as Brady is and will be.

Joe Montana jokes Tom Brady can play until 60: 'They don't even touch him'

Tom Brady has said he'd consider playing until he's 50. Joe Montana believes he can play as long as he wants given the fact he's barely ever touched anymore.

www.usatoday.com

Except nobody is. Brady is 44 and most importantly still playing at an elite level. Nobody else has come close. If this was just a product of Brady's era then we'd see more QB's do this.

It's interesting that it's only Montana talking like this. I don't remember Marino talking about this, or Elway, or Young. Knowing that Montana only grudgingly recently admitted Brady is GOAT it's fair to say there might be a little bit of envy there. I don't blame him, I'm sure I'd feel the same way.

 

[Pats1971]

You’re talking about the Ty Law rule, which has nothing to do with the topic. The 80s/90s were a different beast all together for QBs. Ask any defensive player who played in that era how they would fare today.

Players are protective of their era. A player in the 80's if he was time machined to now, would probably not make it. Things change with era for a reason. I mean there were 240 pound olineman. lol How would that go?

 

[Pats1971]

Except nobody is. Brady is 44 and most importantly still playing at an elite level. Nobody else has come close. If this was just a product of Brady's era then we'd see more QB's do this.

It's interesting that it's only Montana talking like this. I don't remember Marino talking about this, or Elway, or Young. Knowing that Montana only grudgingly recently admitted Brady is GOAT it's fair to say there might be a little bit of envy there. I don't blame him, I'm sure I'd feel the same way.

This. I keep hearing how its different and all that but QB's are not doing it. I keep asking for all these QB's still playing drafted from 2000-2005 and I have yet to see it. He is trying to protect his era and diminish what Brady is going because yes, he is flat out not happy people call brady the goat now. Montana's wife even said this. I am all for people giving opinions on something, but I need to see evidence of something before I buy it. If anyone can play to 50 like montana said, then where are they? How many QB's were drafted from 2000-2005? Where are they?

 

[sb1]

You’re talking about the Ty Law rule, which has nothing to do with the topic. The 80s/90s were a different beast all together for QBs. Ask any defensive player who played in that era how they would fare today.

Yes I am but Brady still played in two eras, one that favored passers and passing, and the other not so much. Brady excelled in both. He also took some massive shots in the old era, like the one from Nate Clement and got up just fine.

Also a lot of the rules favoring QBs were created in the last decade, way after Brady started his career.

 

[Rob0729]

Except nobody is. Brady is 44 and most importantly still playing at an elite level. Nobody else has come close. If this was just a product of Brady's era then we'd see more QB's do this.

It's interesting that it's only Montana talking like this. I don't remember Marino talking about this, or Elway, or Young. Knowing that Montana only grudgingly recently admitted Brady is GOAT it's fair to say there might be a little bit of envy there. I don't blame him, I'm sure I'd feel the same way.

Did you watch the video? People are making far more out of this than there is there.

And he was asked specific question. I don't remember Marino, Elway, or Young being asked if Brady would play until he is 50 and would they play to they are 50 if they started their career in 2001. BTW, Montana never said that he would play until he was 50 or even that he would have remotely as long of a career even though he was asked.

 

[Pats1971]

Yes I am but Brady still played in two eras, one that favored passers and passing, and the other not so much. Brady excelled in both. He also took some massive shots in the old era, like the one from Nate Clement and got up just fine.

Also a lot of the rules favoring QBs were created in the last decade, way after Brady started his career.

When size, speed strength etc rise up, if you do not make adjustments to rules, players will die on the field. People are still getting hit hard, people are still getting injured. Brady has had and mostly played through. A broken foot, a torn mcl, nerve damage in hand, broken ribs, a elbow that looked like it had a tennis ball in it, a trashed knee a tore up shoulder a sports hernia. He has had over 7 surgeries.

 

[Pats1971]

Did you watch the video? People are making far more out of this than there is there.

And he was asked specific question. I don't remember Marino, Elway, or Young being asked if Brady would play until he is 50 and would they play to they are 50 if they started their career in 2001. BTW, Montana never said that he would play until he was 50 or even that he would have remotely as long of a career even though he was asked.

Belichick was asked the same question, why didnt he say that? Because belichick does not have an agenda.

 

[amfootball]

Young is an outlier. He served as a back up for a number of years in San Fran. He didn't even start for 49ers until he was 30. He played for a couple of years in the USFL and a couple of years in Tampa, but he spent half his 20s riding the bench.

Phil Simms spent much of his late career repeatedly on IR. Marino should have retired two years earlier than he did. McNabb (retired in 2011) was from the pre-rules change era. Dave Krieg played his last two seasons as a back up in Tennessee. Palmer bounced around because he wasn't good during after his injuries which happened in the pre-rule change era (in fact one of the biggest rule changes was because of an injury he received).

But you are just randomly picking players. I don't think that scientific. Why didn't you include Troy Aikman who was forced to retire at 34? Or Bernie Kosar who was forced to retire at 33 and was basically done as a legitimate starter at age 29? And if you are going back to the 70s and 80s with Dan Fouts, why not look at Jim Everett (retired at 34), Bob Griese (35 when he retired), Archie Manning (also 35), Ken O'Brien (retired at 33), and Bert Jones (31 when he retired)?

It wasn't my list but to answer your point, we can go through all the QBs which also mean including Luck who retired at age 29 due to injuries. And of course Cam who is done at age 32 due to injuries as well. But I think the list is a pretty fair swatch of the players who played in each era. Not everyone retired young due to injuries, they retired because they sucked. There really is not much difference between the guys who were playing in Montana's era vs Brady's time and of course Brady played the first third of his career under the old rules too and is also the most sacked QB in NFL history.

There has been no statistical evidence yet to suggest today's QB are playing any longer than in Montana's era. It could still happen for sure but it hasn't to date so to suggest that Brady's longevity and high performance play into his mid-40s is rules based primarily is myopic in scope given the way Brady's plays the position and his intense care of his physical body. It is those two reasons that are much more the reason for his excellent play and longevity than the rules and the age/playing stats bare that out. He is 1:1 with no other current QB even approaching his longevity/excellent play yet.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes I am but Brady still played in two eras, one that favored passers and passing, and the other not so much. Brady excelled in both. He also took some massive shots in the old era, like the one from Nate Clement and got up just fine.

Also a lot of the rules favoring QBs were created in the last decade, way after Brady started his career.

Yes, and there’s a reason why Brady’s numbers have skyrocketed in the past 10 years compared to 2000-2006. It’s a different league today than it was back then and certainly compared to the 80s/90s. I mean throwing for 35 TDs was considered MVP like in 2000. Today, it’s routine.

 

[Pats1971]

Yes, and there’s a reason why Brady’s numbers have skyrocketed in the past 10 years compared to 2000-2006. It’s a different league today than it was in the 80s.

What does this have to do with how long he plays? Also, his numbers went up like everyone else, but nobody else has the numbers he does. Its all reletive. If you want to argue that stats are higher, I agree, but as far as playing. Its not true. It would be like if Brady was the only one who's numbers went up and you said well the only reason is the era while nobody elses numbers went up.

Numbers have also went up becuase they pass way more now than they did. If you watch games from the 80's itw as 3 yards and a cloud of dust, the run game was important, its not as much now. Yes the game changed in that way, which puts the QB even more at risk. By the way 2007 was 14 years ago, not 10.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

What does this have to do with how long he plays? Also, his numbers went up like everyone else, but nobody else has the numbers he does. Its all reletive. If you want to argue that stats are higher, I agree, but as far as playing. Its not true. It would be like if Brady was the only one who's numbers went up and you said well the only reason is the era while nobody elses numbers went up.

Numbers have also went up becuase they pass way more now than they did. If you watch games from the 80's itw as 3 yards and a cloud of dust, the run game was important, its not as much now. Yes the game changed in that way, which puts the QB even more at risk. By the way 2007 was 14 years ago, not 10.

Rule changes designed to protect the QB also lead to more offense.

 

[Pats1971]

Rule changes designed to protect the QB also lead to more offense.

No passing more leads to more offense. Again QB injuries are not down. I still want to see this list from the QB's drafted from 2000-2005 and see how brady is just like everyone else in regards to longevity. Rushing numbers are way down compared to the past, why? Running less.

 

[amfootball]

On this topic of longevity, I think it bears noting that the QBs of today are all mobile guys for the most part who run. Much more so than the era previous to the cap/FA. So this notion that today's QBs will play longer because of the rules is short-sighted and not taking into account how the position has changed and QBs are much more of a dual-threat.

Brady is a pocket-passer. And really he is the last one still standing as Brees retired last year. There are some pocket guys like Herbert and even Mac I guess but they get out and run too. It will be interesting to track longevity as my belief is we won't see that many QBs play into their late 30s much less their 40s because of how the position has changed.

 

[Pats1971]

On this topic of longevity, I think it bears noting that the QBs of today are all mobile guys for the most part who run. Much more so than the era previous to the cap/FA. So this notion that today's QBs will play longer because of the rules is short-sighted and not taking into account how the position has changed and QBs are much more of a dual-threat.

Brady is a pocket-passer. And really he is the last one still standing as Brees retired last year. There are some pocket guys like Herbert and even Mac I guess but they get out and run too. It will be interesting to track longevity as my belief is we won't see that many QBs play into their late 30s much less their 40s because of how the position has changed.

I mean thats the thing, Brady outlasted all of his peers, and for some reason instead of just saying that Montana decided to say, well its because of the rules...well if it was the rules, then all those QB's woudl still be playing late in their 40's at a high level and they are not. People have a bad habit of saying things and yet not being able to show that its true. You cant say brady is playing at a high level at 44 cause of rules when nobody else is doing that. If it were just the rules causing it, others would be doing the same.

 

[Wozzy]

No passing more leads to more offense. Again QB injuries are not down. I still want to see this list from the QB's drafted from 2000-2005 and see how brady is just like everyone else in regards to longevity. Rushing numbers are way down compared to the past, why? Running less.

Teams are passing more because yellow flags have about doubled since Tom Brady started playing football, also QB's get hit less and less hard... thus the improvement in offensive numbers.

MAC10 was correct, it was due to rule changes.

 

[Rob0729]

It wasn't my list but to answer your point, we can go through all the QBs which also mean including Luck who retired at age 29 due to injuries. And of course Cam who is done at age 32 due to injuries as well. But I think the list is a pretty fair swatch of the players who played in each era. Not everyone retired young due to injuries, they retired because they sucked. There really is not much difference between the guys who were playing in Montana's era vs Brady's time and of course Brady played the first third of his career under the old rules too and is also the most sacked QB in NFL history.

There has been no statistical evidence yet to suggest today's QB are playing any longer than in Montana's era. It could still happen for sure but it hasn't to date so to suggest that Brady's longevity and high performance play into his mid-40s is rules based primarily is myopic in scope given the way Brady's plays the position and his intense care of his physical body. It is those two reasons that are much more the reason for his excellent play and longevity than the rules and the age/playing stats bare that out. He is 1:1 with no other current QB even approaching his longevity/excellent play yet.

I will give you Luck. But Newton is an asterick because there will be a class of QBs from this generation that will likely have shorter than normal careers like Newton. The QBs that rely on their superior physical attributes over the mental part of the game are likely to peter out in their early to mid 30s, but that is for the most part because their skills will decline faster than pocket passers with age.

But even if he is wrong. He didn't mean it as a swipe to Brady. He wasn't questioning whether Brady is the greatest of all time because he wasn't getting hit as much. He is just saying the rules helps his longevity. Brady was the GOAT before he 40. So if he played in the 1990s, he still would likely be the GOAT.