Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

[Bruins29]

I've probably been a fan longer than you've been alive.
When I attended games in the 60's (one at fenway Park) I didn't pay to see Mike Holovak. I paid to see Gino, Babe, Nance and Buoniconti, among others.
In the 70's I wasn't paying to see Clive Rush or Fairbanks coach. I paid to see Plunkett, Grogan, Vataha, Stingley (I still get emotional when I think of him), Mike Haynes etc.
In the 80's it wasn't Raymond Berry who caught my eye and I paid to see. It was John Hannah (the best there ever was), Andre Tippet, Stanly Morgan and others.
In the 90's it wasn't Tuna Crap or Carroll that I wanted to see. It was Bledsoe, Curtis Martin, Ben Coates, Terry Glenn and others.
In the 20 years since it wasn't Bill Belichick that I paid to see. It was the greatest QB who ever played and many others, including the greatest TE I ever saw. Unfortunately, the HC decided to let them walk away with no explanation other than a few grunts and snorts at a presser.
But hey, go ahead and think of yourself as a better fan because you kiss the ground that the HC walks on. I'm sure he appreciates your loyalty to him over the players that play.

Hey ! Brady’s gone. He ain’t coming back

BB is the devil. Feel better ?

move on….

 

[1960Pats]

What is the statue of limitations on whining about Brady leaving ? Like are you allowed to still whine about it 5 years from now ? 10 years ? Does winning the SB negate it? Or is it when Brady retires and the point is moot?

I think the thing that hurt Bill the most was having Brady go right to another team (with a coaching staff that many on here have ridiculed) and pick up right where he left off. Meanwhile Bill wasn't prepared for the loss of Brady and we were left without any QB at all.

As for your question about the statute of limitations, I will NEVER forget that Belichick dumped Tom Brady the same way he would dump one of his torn hoodies. Brady and the fans deserved much better than that.

 

[Ring 6]

Better than what Bill's doing, right now?

McDermott
Harbawl
Stefanski
Vrabel
The Fourth Reich
Chumley
Rivera
LaFleur
Zimmer
Arians
Payton
McVay

Little Billy Notgoat's coaching, this year, has ****ing sucked...Period.

#FireTheBelichicks

That’s funny

 

[captain stone]

As we can see quite clearly, it's Brady that players wanted to play with. The only players who have come here recently, other than Cant Newton, were draft picks or FAs that were paid top dollar.

Bingo.

Nobody - and I mean ****ing NOBODY - is leaving money on the table simply to play for gruff ol' Little Billy Notgoat... The Mercenaries are here for one reason AND ONE REASON ONLY: Billy was willing to pay them more then Any Other Team was willing to pay them. Period.

Players took less to come here to play for Tom E Brady, and they're doing it to come to Tampa for the same reason.

 

[Bruins29]

I think the thing that hurt Bill the most was having Brady go right to another team (with a coaching staff that many on here have ridiculed) and pick up right where he left off. Meanwhile Bill wasn't prepared for the loss of Brady and we were left without any QB at all.

As for your question about the statute of limitations, I will NEVER forget that Belichick dumped Tom Brady the same way he would dump one of his torn hoodies. Brady and the fans deserved much better than that.

I am actually happy for Brady. Every time he wins the SB Rob Parker dies a little

as for your second part, think what you want. You can grudge about it until the day you die if you like. You should be happy that Brady left the same time that the NFL became a woke joke. You shouldn’t be watching anyway .

 

[1960Pats]

Hey ! Brady’s gone. He ain’t coming back

BB is the devil. Feel better ?

move on….

This thread is about Bill's legacy being ripped apart, and his total failure in handling the teams greatest player is a major contributor to that failure.

If it bothers you to see Bill being criticized then maybe you need to skip this thread or wait for it to be closed.

Bob and Bill's biggest blunder was balking at bringing back Brady.

 

[Bruins29]

This thread is about Bill's legacy being ripped apart, and his total failure in handling the teams greatest player is a major contributor to that failure.

If it bothers you to see Bill being criticized then maybe you need to skip this thread or wait for it to be closed.

Bob and Bill's biggest blunder was balking at bringing back Brady.

I agree. Kraft is a pu ss and BB is arrogant

I hate that TB is gone. . Why are you watching a woke NFL?

 

[1960Pats]

I am actually happy for Brady. Every time he wins the SB Rob Parker dies a little

as for your second part, think what you want. You can grudge about it until the day you die if you like. You should be happy that Brady left the same time that the NFL became a woke joke. You shouldn’t be watching anyway .

I've had real problems to be concerned about in my life and football isn't one of those, even though we have a coach who claims the game is about the players and chooses to dump the best ones over a few dollars.

 

[1960Pats]

Ahh, yes.....



The history re-write

I was thinking the same thing. The team went 5-11 in Bill's first year after an 8-8 season the year before under Carroll and the next thing he did was bring in a platoon of free agents and a few decent draft picks. The 2001 team was totally different than the 2000 team. Not just at QB.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm fine with people questioning him and I've got my own questions. But the goal - for the sake of keeping things from melting down in here - is to try and do it constructively so we can have discussions/debates as opposed to "he sucks", etc. I'm assuming it's going to get worse before it gets better given how things have gone so far. Needless to say, I'm sure it's probably going to be a long season and would like to try and keep things from getting out of hand.

You're in a rebuilding year of your own. Good luck.
I'm probably not being very helpful though.

 

[1960Pats]

At this point they’d probably say that they think that Bledsoe would have won if the team started him in Super Bowl 36.

The was exactly the case during the Brady/Bledsoe War of 2001. I know a couple of Bledsholes who still think that he would have won the SB that year.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Then why sign aging McCourty to two years at the one of the highest contracts for a safety (approximately $12M)? Why bring back Slater? Why franchise Thuney (approximately $14M)? Why decline to trade Gilmore and then increase his salary (approximately $17M) in 2020? Why keep Hightower in early 2020 before Covid (approximately $10M)? Why keep Edelman (approximately $5M)?

Why not trade any of these players since he couldn’t keep it together? And certainly why no trades at the trade deadline?

See, you can’t have it both ways. If he couldn’t keep it together, then so be it. But that’s not what happened. He thought he could win without Brady and went all in with what he had. The team was already suffering from years of terrible drafting and got new additional draft capital, despite having a handful of attractive players in a year that everyone now retroactively refers to as “a throwaway year.” Let’s just acknowledge he badly underestimated what he was capable of doing as a coach without the most valuable player on the planet. Every week that becomes more and more apparent.

He thought he could win without Brady if he beefed up the rest of the team, exactly, couldn't have it both ways.

 

[archstanton543]

I've probably been a fan longer than you've been alive.
When I attended games in the 60's (one at fenway Park) I didn't pay to see Mike Holovak. I paid to see Gino, Babe, Nance and Buoniconti, among others.
In the 70's I wasn't paying to see Clive Rush or Fairbanks coach. I paid to see Plunkett, Grogan, Vataha, Stingley (I still get emotional when I think of him), Mike Haynes etc.
In the 80's it wasn't Raymond Berry who caught my eye and I paid to see. It was John Hannah (the best there ever was), Andre Tippet, Stanly Morgan and others.
In the 90's it wasn't Tuna Crap or Carroll that I wanted to see. It was Bledsoe, Curtis Martin, Ben Coates, Terry Glenn and others.
In the 20 years since it wasn't Bill Belichick that I paid to see. It was the greatest QB who ever played and many others, including the greatest TE I ever saw. Unfortunately, the HC decided to let them walk away with no explanation other than a few grunts and snorts at a presser.
But hey, go ahead and think of yourself as a better fan because you kiss the ground that the HC walks on. I'm sure he appreciates your loyalty to him over the players that play.

So why did you say "I'll support this team for as long as I can, but two seasons of putrid offense is not the continuation of a football golden age". This implies that you're patience is running out and it won't be long before you cannot support the team.

 

[Ring 6]

This thread is about Bill's legacy being ripped apart, and his total failure in handling the teams greatest player is a major contributor to that failure.

If it bothers you to see Bill being criticized then maybe you need to skip this thread or wait for it to be closed.

Bob and Bill's biggest blunder was balking at bringing back Brady.

Ultimately it was best for the franchise.
The run was over and it was time to pay the bills. If Brady stayed there is no way they win in 2020. There were no resources to work with to improve the team that struggled in the second half of 2019, with brady putting up awful numbers. Sure Brady probably could have willed them to 9 wins maybe even 10 and a one and done. That would have taken about 50 mill away from money available for the rebuild.
Rebuild a mediocre team with a 44 year old QB and little money to spend or with a new QB and 60 mill to spend?
As of 1/4/20 when Brady threw the pick 6 to end the 2019 season anyone looking honestly at the team, the cap situation, the play of Brady over the previous 2 months, and his birth certificate would have admitted this team was not going to win a SB before Brady was too old to lead them there.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
Today people are griping about the free agents brought in, had we kept Brady they would be griping about why they didn’t bring anyone in to surround him, and why he is getting killed behind a bargain basement OL, far worse than the one we have.

 

[Deus Irae]

If Bill doesn't dump top tier talent there is no Brady (and we're still wasting half an hour every super bowl on individual introductions.)

What a truly bizarre notion

 

[Deus Irae]

In a thread about BB's legacy, people are crying because others are discussing BB's legacy.

 

[Bruins29]

What a truly bizarre notion

Maybe he is talking about the last 5 or 6 years because you certainly don’t need to dump talent to draft a 6 rd pick

 

[stinkypete]

Questioning Belichick's legacy is just lazy self-congratulatory media dreck.

Belichick gets the treatment because the media is pissed off and feels disrespected by him. Between spygate, deflategate, and the transformation of Brady's last 3 years here into a sports entertainment soap opera that would make Vince McMahon jealous, Belichick has no reason to treat them with any respect.

Nobody's questioning Greg Popovich's legacy despite the Spurs entering the NBA season as one of the league's worst teams following two losing seasons.

 

[Tony2046]

What is the statue of limitations on whining about Brady leaving ? Like are you allowed to still whine about it 5 years from now ? 10 years ? Does winning the SB negate it? Or is it when Brady retires and the point is moot?

Maybe it'll be like the Bambino curse. Decades from now Giant fans will be chanting "20...18" .

Kidding aside it'll probably stop when Big Mac wins a super bowl. So next year.

 

[captain stone]

What a truly bizarre notion

Bizarre dude, so...