Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

[A Defiant Goose]

But who's responsible for the talent-deficient roster?

I'll hang up and listen.

I don't really get this. He sucks as a GM but couldn't they just give GM duties to someone else and let him coach? Why fire the chef for buying ****ty ingredients when you can have someone buy better ingredients and let the best chef of all time cook?

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't really get this. He sucks as a GM but couldn't they just give GM duties to someone else and let him coach? Why fire the chef for buying ****ty ingredients when you can have someone buy better ingredients and let the best chef of all time cook?

You assume he'd accept the demotion.

 

[Pats1971]

I don't really get this. He sucks as a GM but couldn't they just give GM duties to someone else and let him coach? Why fire the chef for buying ****ty ingredients when you can have someone buy better ingredients and let the best chef of all time cook?

You say they as if someone else makes decisions around there. They do not have a GM because Bill wants to be GM.

 

[Triumph]

BBs legacy is already carved in stone.

A 6 time Super Bowl champion HC.
A 2 time Super Bowl champion DC.
Then making it to 4 more Super Bowls representing the AFC.

12 Super Bowls. Belichicks middle name might as well be Lombardi. No other HC or GM has achieved this level of success.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Some more comments:

a.) We did not win BECAUSE of Brady in:

2001: That was a TOTAL team effort...greatest single T-E-A-M ever in NFL history bar none. Special teams got us to the SB and we scored only 2 TD passes that playoff run!
2002: Brady led the league in TD passes and did not do us any good at all given Steve Marin being a sieve.
2003: IMO, Brady didn't even break out until the Superbowl against the Panthers. That game against the Titans was won by defense and Vinatieri....then Ty Law in the AFC title game.
2004: Tommy was finally coming on his own and played a big part in that season. However, we limited the Colts to 3 points those playoffs.
2005: Who threw the pick to Champ Bailey? Also, the D was weak that year....we just got by the Jags because they insisted on starting Leftwich on a bad leg over Garrard, IMO.
2006: How the hell did we win in San Diego that year?
2007: That was all Brady......
2008: Brady didn't even play.
2009: The team was limited offensively.
2010: We should have made the AFC title game at least...if not for that Chung fake punt call...wasted a MVP season by Tommy.
2011: Manningham catch....because Chung cheated....is that BB's fault? And the safety given up?
2012: OK, we had no answer for Boldin.
2013: We had no chance without Gronk in Denver.
2014: Greatest coaching call ever....not calling a TO...very Cortez like...leaving his D on the goal line.
2015: If Collins doesn't bite on a seam route TWICE....
2016: Oh man.....3-1 with Garopollo/Brissett.
2017: OK, this is on Belichick...fine....
2018: 3 points given up in the Superbowl?
2019: Dragging that flawed team to a single score loss in the playoffs.....if Chung makes one stop against the Dolphins or Harry is given that TD vs. the Chiefs...we would be hosting the Chiefs on divisional weekend!
2020: Dragged a even more flawed team to a 7-9 record....turn around the Denver/@Buffalo game/@Houston game...and that team was a .500 team, IMO.

BB has been a MAJOR factor in the Pats' success...and yeah he needed Brady to go from being a GOOD coach to a GREAT coach, but it isn't as if he can't win without Brady.

I'll play too:

2001: That was a TOTAL team effort...greatest single T-E-A-M ever in NFL history bar none. Special teams got us to the SB and we scored only 2 TD passes that playoff run! Brady was nothing special, but he made throws when it was needed and stabilized the position. They don't make the playoffs without stability at the QB position being down 0-2 on the season.
2002: Brady led the league in TD passes and did not do us any good at all given Steve Marin being a sieve. Imagine if Brady wasn't the QB that season? And they were a tie breaker away from making the playoffs. They have a losing record with how bad that D regressed. However, Brady sh*t the bed vs the Jets at home as a heavy favorite and lost 31-17.
2003: IMO, Brady didn't even break out until the Superbowl against the Panthers. That game against the Titans was won by defense and Vinatieri....then Ty Law in the AFC title game. That season could've easily ended had Drew Bennett not dropped an easy completion. Maybe the Titans tie, maybe they score a TD, miss a FG or Pats get a TO. We'll never know. Brady and the offense weren't special, but came through when it was needed. However, this was the Pats best defense in their history.
2004: Tommy was finally coming on his own and played a big part in that season. However, we limited the Colts to 3 points those playoffs. Tom was big time by 2004 with the addition of Dillon.
2005: Who threw the pick to Champ Bailey? Also, the D was weak that year....we just got by the Jags because they insisted on starting Leftwich on a bad leg over Garrard, IMO. No argument here. Tom sh*t the bed vs the Broncos who owned him for 3 straight games from 2005-2006. A 2nd year QB (Big Ben) carves them up a week later in Denver.
2006: How the hell did we win in San Diego that year? Marlon McCree didn't listen to his Coach who told him specifically to fall on the ground in the event they get a late game INT.
2007: That was all Brady......
2008: Brady didn't even play.
2009: The team was limited offensively. They were a bad team overall and the effects of bad drafting rearing it's ugly head.
2010: We should have made the AFC title game at least...if not for that Chung fake punt call...wasted a MVP season by Tommy. They were limited on the outside and Rex Ryan devised a game plan to force Brady to challenge Cromartie and Revis which he couldn't do.
2011: Manningham catch....because Chung cheated....is that BB's fault? And the safety given up? Like 2006, they were one mistake from going home with Lee Evans dropping a game winner in the AFCCG. I do blame Brady and the offense for not stepping on the Giants throats up 17-9 knowing your D can't be trusted.
2012: OK, we had no answer for Boldin. The answer was Talib who got injured. Ravens couldn't move the ball until he left the game. Gronk was also injured which I blame Bill for.
2013: We had no chance without Gronk in Denver. Agree. Talib also got knocked out again by a midget WR.
2014: Greatest coaching call ever....not calling a TO...very Cortez like...leaving his D on the goal line. I still think it was too risky as that could've been a legacy killer. Had they lost that game, I think Brady leaves.
2015: If Collins doesn't bite on a seam route TWICE.... It goes back further than that. Arguably Bill's worst coaching season.
2016: Oh man.....3-1 with Garopollo/Brissett.
2017: OK, this is on Belichick...fine.... His worst coaching decision and game plan.
2018: 3 points given up in the Superbowl?
2019: Dragging that flawed team to a single score loss in the playoffs.....if Chung makes one stop against the Dolphins or Harry is given that TD vs. the Chiefs...we would be hosting the Chiefs on divisional weekend! Like 2009, they just weren't very good. Bad drafts rearing it's ugly head again.
2020: Dragged a even more flawed team to a 7-9 record....turn around the Denver/@Buffalo game/@Houston game...and that team was a .500 team, IMO.

 

[Ring 6]

You cry, like a little kid, to the mods when I respond to you, and then you follow me around and try to bait me into your toxic discussions. No thanks…I’m not interested in a discussion with someone who might at any moment have a meltdown and demand that others should be punished for freely expressing their thoughts. I won’t be responding to you, though I do hope that one day you’ll find inner peace and rid yourself of all this anger.

So let’s get this straight.
You consistently resort to personal attacks. I draw the line and say I am fine with that and instead will just report the rule violation.

I have never, ever, not a single time said anyone should be “punished” for speaking their opinions.
I have, and will continue to, report the type of insecure and immature personal attacks and insults that have no place in this community.

You make an obtuse post and I point out the exact opposite is true.

You reply with this. Lol.

 

[sb1]

2015: If Collins doesn't bite on a seam route TWICE.... It goes back further than that. Arguably Bill's worst coaching season.

Yep they really blew it in the last two games of the season including that ridiculous half against the Dolphins where they passed 5 times or something. That's arrogance thinking that those games didn't matter. They sure did cause then we had to go to Denver for the AFCCG. Injuries didn't help obviously but bad coaching didn't either.

2019: Dragging that flawed team to a single score loss in the playoffs.....if Chung makes one stop against the Dolphins or Harry is given that TD vs. the Chiefs...we would be hosting the Chiefs on divisional weekend! Like 2009, they just weren't very good.

Completely exposed as frauds starting with Lamar Jackson kicking our asses. 100% a product of a very weak first half schedule especially on defense.

That season could've easily ended had Drew Bennett not dropped an easy completion. Maybe the Titans tie, maybe they score a TD, miss a FG or Pats get a TO. We'll never know.

Bennett catches that and IIRC the Titans have timeouts from the Pats 15 or so. Plenty of time for not just a tying FG but a game winning TD.

 

[sb1]

2009: The team was limited offensively. They were a bad team overall and the effects of bad drafting rearing it's ugly head.

One of the most annoying things about that year was having to watch McDaniels fist pump like an idiot after his team beat us.

 

[Biffins]

No matter whether you love Bill or hate him, its hard and sad to see his legacy get ripped to shreds like this. As the mediocrity continues it will only get worse.

Much like Tom Landry decades ago, Bill Belichick mystique is falling apart | Opinion

No coach in the modern era of pro sports was built by one person more than New England’s Bill Belichick.

www.yahoo.com

If you have consecutive losing seasons, people aren't so interested in your "WAY" anymore. Or to take attitude or condescension from you. No matter your legacy.

 

[ashley]

Just trying to figure out from the author how it's Belichick's fault he had Brady here for nearly 20-years?

Brady had the desire and the drive to be great. Belichick showed him how to do it, just like he's helped a lot of guys become great. And this isn't me saying it, guys have been documented saying just that.

Brady just took it to another level and never let up. My only complaint is that Belichick gave up on him a couple of years too soon. But at the same time, if they don't let him go and they don't go 7-9 last year, they don't end up with Jones, who may be the guy who might really be the one.

So given what we've seen, even though I hated seeing Brady go, I'm pleased with the results and I'm excited for the future. Even if it means a frustrating 2021.

We also have to look at the talent that Bill had in Cleveland and he has had in New England without Brady....just not the same. I like to go back to the stat that when he had Casal he was 11-5. and with Jimmy G and Brissett he was 3-1.....14-6 isn't too shabby.

I expect that we will turn this around very shortly!!!!!

 

[RobertWeathers]

I heard Curran is a swinger. Any truth to that?

yea hes over here all the time hooking up with my wife.

 

[Tony2046]

I love how these media turds scurry out of their twenty year bomb shelters to "rip BB to shreds" during a new era in the making. I hope they keep doing it so that they can eat yet another plate of maggot filled crow.

When this team gets their chemistry on track, are playing on the same page and "rip" off a five + game winning streak to end the season, I'm going to enjoy the neck breaking U-turn these yahoos make.

 

[Ring 6]

His answers were weak and only showed he's playing not to lose. He's also showing he has no confidence in Mac. I can't believe this is good for the kids confidence. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If the plays are working, why abandon using them for 2 qtrs? One thing is for sure, Bill isn't playing chess anymore. He's playing checkers with the other 23 checker playing teams. There's about 8 teams playing chess, not the Pats.

Their O is so predictable, the Ds almost know what's coming. Their D schemes isn't confusing anybody but their own players. It's pathetic.

If you don’t lose you win. Cliches are a silly way to discuss anything.

A rookie playing in his 6th game isn’t basing his confidence on whether you go for a 4th down in your own territory.

They didn’t use them for 2 quarters then abandon them. They used that package through the game. On about 1/3 of the plays. They were using it in the 4th quarter, they used it in OT.

The rest of your post is just random whining.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I don't really get this. He sucks as a GM but couldn't they just give GM duties to someone else and let him coach? Why fire the chef for buying ****ty ingredients when you can have someone buy better ingredients and let the best chef of all time cook?

You admitted he sucks as a GM. What if Kraft told him that how would he react?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Just because you spend money it doesn't necessarily improve the talent level or make the team better.

Yep. Nelson Agholor certainly isn’t making them any better, that was a bad signing. I get that he felt they needed someone to help stretch defenses but Agholor has always been really inconsistent.

 

[Biffins]

I guess I feel the opposite. I love the direction of this team. The next 2-3 years will be a lot of fun to watch.

Next 3 years?!?!?

If Bill has another losing season next year after one this year, he's gone.

 

[Gumby]

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

Gotohell (and Polian) didn’t change the fundamental rules of the NYJFL to stop TB, Gotohell did it to stop BB’s defences.

nor did Rozelle change the nfl based on landry or Shula actions. The nfl changed rules based on BB off-def schemes, plays, and ideas. No other coach has had more ”suggestions” implemented into rules as well.

so I submit his wider league-wide legacy is an equal part of his goat resume as the win-loss record, SB count, and responsibility as the dr Frankenstein who built the QB monster ( TB).

 

[A Defiant Goose]

You assume he'd accept the demotion.

You say they as if someone else makes decisions around there. They do not have a GM because Bill wants to be GM.

Ok true. Maybe I'm naive but if ownership thought it was a problem and offered to take over GM duties I don't think he'd be too arrogant to allow it. But I'm probably wrong

 

[Ring 6]

is brady the only player that left?

seems like in the salary cap era, 20 years of winning catches up at some point.....in fact, it's starting to catch up with KC already, after a much shorter time....sustained success is extremely difficult in todays NFL

losing the GOAT QB hurt, but it was hardly the only loss......just like gaining the GOAT QB helped TB, but was hardly the only reason for their succes

The patriots have 13 players playing now that were on the field in the last SB win 3 years ago, 3 of which are special teamers only.
Approximately 40% of the offensive and defensive snaps last Sunday were by players who were not here last year.

Belichick built a dynasty and won because he had players biting into his system. He had to tear it down and start over. Why are people surprised that a new group of players don’t have the characteristics yet that were built into a team over a 20 year run?

 

[Ring 6]

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

The only accomplishment coaches have are team accomplishments.
A team accomplishment is by definition a coach accomplishment.

And yes, winning the most (esp under parity driving circumstances) is why he is the GOAT and it’s the beginning and end of the analysis.