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Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

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I don't think the OP article is ripping apart Bill's legacy. It said Bill was better with Brady (which BB himself admitted was true) and it's comparing BB to Landry who like Bill is an all time great coach in this league. Whether Bill is staying too long is TBD
 
lol....do you really want me to start posting links to all the people that said Brady was why they won? Brady didnt have his pick of 20 teams, Only one team offered him a contract, he had no choice in where he went. To say arians had more to do with winning the superbowl than Brady is comical in the highest degree of comical.
 
Like the plan to kneel the ball at the half and punt in OT?
I think he knew there were protection issues that made things tough during the previous two series and he was afraid of another turnover and wanted to take the half to come up with a solution. I didn't like the call, but having gone back and watched the two series before that, I at least understood why he did it.

The punt in overtime, I don't know what else you do there. 4th-and-3 near midfield (and on your side of the field), if you don't get it, they don't have very far to go in order to have a shot to kick a field goal and win it. I think he was hoping Bailey would pin them back inside the 10, they'd potentially hold them and maybe start the next drive with better field position...who knows.

But it's just frustrating they couldn't just sustain the drive in overtime and that it even got to that point. However, I agree, as soon as they punted (and the fact they didn't get any points), it was probably over.
 
Here is you know...Tampa's website. lol

You really want me to post all the stories on this?
 
I think he knew there were protection issues that made things tough during the previous two series and he was afraid of another turnover and wanted to take the half to come up with a solution. I didn't like the call, but having gone back and watched the two series before that, I at least understood why he did it.

The punt in overtime, I don't know what else you do there. 4th-and-3 near midfield, if you don't get it, they don't have very far to go in order to have a shot to kick a field goal and win it. I think he was hoping Bailey would pin them back inside the 10, they'd potentially hold them and maybe start the next drive with better field position...who knows.

But it's just frustrating they couldn't just sustain the drive and that it even got to that point. However, I agree, as soon as they punted (and the fact they didn't get any points), it was probably over.
That punt in OT cost them the game. I dont care where they were pinned. You try to win there or you lose. If he cannot trust his team to get 3 yards, then there are bigger issues.
 
That punt in OT cost them the game. I dont care where they were pinned. You try to win there or you lose. If he cannot trust his team to get 3 yards, then there are bigger issues.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they went for it and it went incomplete or got stuffed, he'd get killed for that call, especially when you have one of the best punters in the league in Bailey. Either way, it didn't work out, but I don't feel the ire that apparently some people do. Jones was 1-for-3 in overtime, including 0-for-2 to Agholor. It's not like Belichick had any reason to suddenly feel confident about making a play in that situation.
 
I think he knew there were protection issues that made things tough during the previous two series and he was afraid of another turnover and wanted to take the half to come up with a solution. I didn't like the call, but having gone back and watched the two series before that, I at least understood why he did it.

The punt in overtime, I don't know what else you do there. 4th-and-3 near midfield (and on your side of the field), if you don't get it, they don't have very far to go in order to have a shot to kick a field goal and win it. I think he was hoping Bailey would pin them back inside the 10, they'd potentially hold them and maybe start the next drive with better field position...who knows.

But it's just frustrating they couldn't just sustain the drive in overtime and that it even got to that point. However, I agree, as soon as they punted (and the fact they didn't get any points), it was probably over.
I didn't mind the punt either. The kneeling in the first half is something he has been doing since the last couple of years of Brady. I dont know why but he lost a lot of confidence in the offense in that situation. It makes it worse also that the trend in the league is to be aggressive because the landscape of the league is so offensively driven.
 
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I think he knew there were protection issues that made things tough during the previous two series and he was afraid of another turnover and wanted to take the half to come up with a solution. I didn't like the call, but having gone back and watched the two series before that, I at least understood why he did it.

The punt in overtime, I don't know what else you do there. 4th-and-3 near midfield (and on your side of the field), if you don't get it, they don't have very far to go in order to have a shot to kick a field goal and win it. I think he was hoping Bailey would pin them back inside the 10, they'd potentially hold them and maybe start the next drive with better field position...who knows.

But it's just frustrating they couldn't just sustain the drive in overtime and that it even got to that point. However, I agree, as soon as they punted (and the fact they didn't get any points), it was probably over.
Possible. But then I would think a shotgun formation would help blunt those protection issues. Or at worst, run it and see what happens. Not concede the half. THis isn't the first time BB did it either even with Brady. I think it's a confidence thing and I don't understand why.

Also feels like even Bailey himself had an off day punting even without the block.
 
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they went for it and it went incomplete or got stuffed, he'd get killed for that call, especially when you have one of the best punters in the league in Bailey. Either way, it didn't work out, but I don't feel the ire that apparently some people do. Jones was 1-for-3 in overtime, including 0-for-2 to Agholor. It's not like Belichick had any reason to suddenly feel confident about making a play in that situation.
Oh I get that. Great coaching calls are always determined by if the players execute. I am just saying I think it would have given them a better chance to win, just like if they had went for it against tampa and not tried a 56 yard fg. In the end you are praised if it works and bashed if its not, but I would rather be bashed going for it, than hoping the other team messes up.
 
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This is what people are not getting. The media can write these glowing stories of Bill, and can call him the goat, but when things go bad, they have to just shut up? Thats not how they work. If the pats are losing or if odd decisions are made, he can be questioned. Just like everyone else is.
Not according to these guys.

 
That you mentioned something I said when I was responding to another post. Someone said cap issues in 2019. I was responding to that.
I'll notch it as you lost track of who said what. Moving on.
 
Defending Belichick by forcing yourself to say that Arians was the reason for the Bucs winning the Super Bowl so you can belittle Brady is next level homerism.
 
No...I know what I replied to. Someone mentioned cap issues and I replied to that.
Yukon mentioned cap issues.

I did not.

You said I mentioned cap issues.

You are wrong.

It's ok if you lost track.
 
Defending Belichick by forcing yourself to say that Arians was the reason for the Bucs winning the Super Bowl so you can belittle Brady is next level homerism.
It goes way beyond homerism. As I said. even Arians would have laughed at that one. Arians is a lot of things but he tells it like it is. HE often said Brady would coach and he would just sit back and watch. He does not go after the glory by praising himself often.
 
Yukon mentioned cap issues.

I did not.

You said I mentioned cap issues.

You are wrong.

It's ok if you lost track.
Right, and I responded to him. I never said you mentioned anything. You jumped into a post I made to him and responded to me. If you are going to respond to a post I made to someone else, you cant take things said in it to direct to you. If you want to call it losing track or whatever, thats fine. If I someone says Harry is great, and I respond that Harry sucks, and you jump in and say, the sky is blue, and I reply, yeah I know the sky is blue but harry still sucks, its part of a chain of posts. But in the end, If it was not directed to you, then it wasnt, and I have already talked too long about it.
 
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