Week 5: Other NFL games

[GreenCow]

The good thing is that might not be true for long. Mac Jones is miles ahead of where Allen was, his rookie year.

I’m a fan of Mac. I think the Pats made the right choice picking Mac and not going for Wilson, Fields, etc.

That being said, I don’t ever see Mac getting to Allen’s level. Allen is top 3 in the NFL. I think Mac peaks at top 10.

Plenty of Super Bowl’s were won with Top 10 Qb’s though.

 

[Bill Lee]

Meanwhile, in Pittsburgh...

 

[PP2]

I’m a fan of Mac. I think the Pats made the right choice picking Mac and not going for Wilson, Fields, etc.

That being said, I don’t ever see Mac getting to Allen’s level. Allen is top 3 in the NFL. I think Mac peaks at top 10.

Plenty of Super Bowl’s were won with Top 10 Qb’s though.

As far as QBR, Allen isn't even in the top 5.

And like I said, Mac Jones is blowing Allen out of the water if you compare their rookie stats. Of course this requires a little projecting, but the way things are going now, Jones is ahead.

 

[Pats1971]

As far as QBR, Allen isn't even in the top 5.

And like I said, Mac Jones is blowing Allen out of the water if you compare their rookie stats. Of course this requires a little projecting, but the way things are going now, Jones is ahead.

No because Mac has not shown he can be Allen, so he is not ahead. Allen has shown that. If we have to predict then its not there to compare. By the way QBR is the worst stat in NFL history. I swear Chris Simms is doing it. Here I will show you some games. Now dont look, who should have the higher QBR.

33-45 342 yards 7.6 ypa 2 td's 0 ints Qb rating 109

26-43 398 yards 9.3 ypa 4 td's 0 ints Qb rating 122

15-26 315 yards 12 ypa 3 td's 0 ints Qb rating 139

30-41 411 yards 10 ypa 5 td;s 0 ints Qb rating 144

Now tell me who has the highest and the lowest QBR of this group. No peaking

 

[GreenCow]

As far as QBR, Allen isn't even in the top 5.

And like I said, Mac Jones is blowing Allen out of the water if you compare their rookie stats. Of course this requires a little projecting, but the way things are going now, Jones is ahead.

Uh huh…. QBR… lol

 

[GreenCow]

No because Mac has not shown he can be Allen, so he is not ahead. Allen has shown that. If we have to predict then its not there to compare. By the way QBR is the worst stat in NFL history. I swear Chris Simms is doing it. Here I will show you some games. Now dont look, who should have the higher QBR.

33-45 342 yards 7.6 ypa 2 td's 0 ints Qb rating 109

26-43 398 yards 9.3 ypa 4 td's 0 ints Qb rating 122

15-26 315 yards 12 ypa 3 td's 0 ints Qb rating 139

30-41 411 yards 10 ypa 5 td;s 0 ints Qb rating 144

Now tell me who has the highest and the lowest QBR of this group. No peaking

Well said.

I didn’t bother giving an in-depth response because his argument is so ridiculous. He is comparing a rookie with 5 TD’s and 5 INT’s to a guy that’s on pace for 48 total TD’s and almost 5,000 yards this season.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This seems like The Onion.

The Bills didn't blitz one time...why blitz when the QB creates the pressure for you?

 

[PP2]

No because Mac has not shown he can be Allen, so he is not ahead. Allen has shown that. If we have to predict then its not there to compare. By the way QBR is the worst stat in NFL history. I swear Chris Simms is doing it. Here I will show you some games. Now dont look, who should have the higher QBR.

33-45 342 yards 7.6 ypa 2 td's 0 ints Qb rating 109

26-43 398 yards 9.3 ypa 4 td's 0 ints Qb rating 122

15-26 315 yards 12 ypa 3 td's 0 ints Qb rating 139

30-41 411 yards 10 ypa 5 td;s 0 ints Qb rating 144

Now tell me who has the highest and the lowest QBR of this group. No peaking

Where did I say that Mac was going to be Allen? Read carefully what I wrote- I said "if you compare their rookie stats..." as in I know that there is more than one metric with which to compare QB's. As of right now, Mac is ahead of where Allen was, his rookie year.

You can argue about the merits of the QBR all you want, it's just one metric, and according to that metric, Allen isn't even in the top 5.

 

[PP2]

Well said.

I didn’t bother giving an in-depth response because his argument is so ridiculous. He is comparing a rookie with 5 TD’s and 5 INT’s to a guy that’s on pace for 48 total TD’s and almost 5,000 yards this season.

Wrong again as usual. Not comparing Mac Jones to this year's Allen. That would be dumb.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I’m a fan of Mac. I think the Pats made the right choice picking Mac and not going for Wilson, Fields, etc.

That being said, I don’t ever see Mac getting to Allen’s level. Allen is top 3 in the NFL. I think Mac peaks at top 10.

Plenty of Super Bowl’s were won with Top 10 Qb’s though.

It's a very interesting thing to watch because Allen was the classic "developmental prospect" with insane natural talent but lots of question marks about his football IQ, accuracy, pocket discipline, etc. And I thought Allen would bust simply because usually that type of prospect does bust...not that most top 10 prospects don't usually bust because they do. I rarely see players actually take huge steps up from where they begin, nothing against Allen. I think Trey Lance has some similarities there...also coming from a non-major conference and having chart shattering physical skills but not a lot else to be confident about.

Jones, meanwhile, is almost the exact opposite. Completely ready for the job, polished, pro ready. Has all the mental skills and decision making down at an outlier level for a rookie quarterback. Has terrific field vision and accuracy...played for Alabama. But the scouting report negatives were about his ceiling and whether or not he's a guy who can really carry a team or has a ceiling which is more Kirk Cousins/Alex Smith where he puts up solid numbers but never takes you to the next level. However, I wouldn't say that Mac's ceiling is so defined either; no, he won't have Allen's arm strength or gifted legs, but plenty of other great QBs have been able to make it without having blow-away arm strength or big-play ability immediately upon entering the league.

Allen was great last night, though...I would be really excited as a Bills fan. Patriots fans are excited about Jones, too, and hoping he can continue progressing. Without question, he was worth the draft pick, whether he can keep improving or not...that's a pick worth taking.

 

[JMC00]

 

[venecol]

It's a very interesting thing to watch because Allen was the classic "developmental prospect" with insane natural talent but lots of question marks about his football IQ, accuracy, pocket discipline, etc. And I thought Allen would bust simply because usually that type of prospect does bust...not that most top 10 prospects don't usually bust because they do. I rarely see players actually take huge steps up from where they begin, nothing against Allen. I think Trey Lance has some similarities there...also coming from a non-major conference and having chart shattering physical skills but not a lot else to be confident about.

Jones, meanwhile, is almost the exact opposite. Completely ready for the job, polished, pro ready. Has all the mental skills and decision making down at an outlier level for a rookie quarterback. Has terrific field vision and accuracy...played for Alabama. But the scouting report negatives were about his ceiling and whether or not he's a guy who can really carry a team or has a ceiling which is more Kirk Cousins/Alex Smith where he puts up solid numbers but never takes you to the next level. However, I wouldn't say that Mac's ceiling is so defined either; no, he won't have Allen's arm strength or gifted legs, but plenty of other great QBs have been able to make it without having blow-away arm strength or big-play ability immediately upon entering the league.

Allen was great last night, though...I would be really excited as a Bills fan. Patriots fans are excited about Jones, too, and hoping he can continue progressing. Without question, he was worth the draft pick, whether he can keep improving or not...that's a pick worth taking.

We'll see what they look like against each other in 8 weeks. By then both teams will be what they are.

 

[JMC00]

Meanwhile, in Pittsburgh...

This reminds me of the complaining about the Agholor/Bourne combo being an "vast overpay" and Pats should have went and got Corey Davis, Curtis Samuel, Will Fuller, Smith-Schuster instead of those 2

quick check up on those guys thru 5 games

Corey Davis- 20 rec 302 yards 3 TD

Curtis Samuel- 19 yards (3 games missed due to injury, came back last week and was injured again this week)

Will Fuller- 26 yards (on IR AGAIN)

Smith-Schuster- 129 yards (done for the season)


Agholor/Bourne- 37 rec 404 yards 2 TD


Corey Davis got a 37.5m deal. Agholor & Bourne were 37m combined

 

[venecol]

This reminds me of the complaining about the Agholor/Bourne combo being an "vast overpay" and Pats should have went and got Corey Davis, Curtis Samuel, Will Fuller, Smith-Schuster instead of those 2

quick check up on those guys thru 5 games

Corey Davis- 20 rec 302 yards 3 TD

Curtis Samuel- 19 yards (3 games missed due to injury, came back last week and was injured again this week)

Will Fuller- 26 yards (on IR AGAIN)

Smith-Schuster- 129 yards (done for the season)


Agholor/Bourne- 37 rec 404 yards 2 TD


Corey Davis got a 37.5m deal. Agholor & Bourne were 37m combined

Davis is $12.5M avg/yr
Agholor/Bourne are $16M avg/yr

I'd rather have Davis a true WR#1 on one of the 3 worst NFL teams.

I agree with the rest.

 

[Deus Irae]

Does the league now have the "blueprint" on Mahomes? Has the league figured out Mahomes quicker than Jackson? Chiefs could be 1-4. Perhaps endless busted plays, running around waiting for people to get open and heaves downfield doesn't always work.

If the Chiefs trade for a legitimate 3rd receiving option, they'll go on a winning streak that might last the rest of the entire regular season. The "Blueprint" on Mahomes is the same "Blueprint" that teams had on Brady in 2009. You double Hill (Moss), scheme Kelce (Welker) well enough that he can't ruin you all on his own, and pretty much ignore the rest of the receiving crew, because the rest of the crew can't get it done.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

As a Chiefs fan, I'm glad we got Washington & Giants in two of our next three. Two wins.

But the Titans, Raiders x 2, Chargers, and Packers games are going to be tough. Heck, the Bengals are no longer pushovers.

Just get into the postseason. Don't care if it's by division or WC.

There have been several teams to win four straight. And ultimately the SB:

1980 Raiders
92 Bills were a WC. Won three straight and lost SB.
97 Broncos
2000 Ravens
2005 Steelers
2007 Giants
2008 Cards won three straight before barely losing the SB.
2010 Packers
2011 Giants
2012 Ravens
2020 Bucs

Nobody remembers the regular season. It's the postseason that matters.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

If the Chiefs trade for a legitimate 3rd receiving option, they'll go on a winning streak that might last the rest of the entire regular season. The "Blueprint" on Mahomes is the same "Blueprint" that teams had on Brady in 2009. You double Hill (Moss), scheme Kelce (Welker) well enough that he can't ruin you all on his own, and pretty much ignore the rest of the receiving crew, because the rest of the crew can't get it done.

The offense will get better.

I still take Mahomes over any other AFC QB in January/February.

 

[JMC00]

Davis is $12.5M avg/yr
Agholor/Bourne are $16M avg/yr

I'd rather have Davis a true WR#1 on one of the 3 worst NFL teams.

I agree with the rest.

Corey Davis isn't a true #1. Never had a 1k yard season. Got replaced by AJ Brown while Brown was a rookie.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

AZ has beaten some very good teams.

They look unstoppable.

5-0.

Franchise QB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

As a Chiefs fan, I'm glad we got Washington & Giants in two of our next three. Two wins.

But the Titans, Raiders x 2, Chargers, and Packers games are going to be tough. Heck, the Bengals are no longer pushovers.

Just get into the postseason. Don't care if it's by division or WC.

There have been several teams to win four straight. And ultimately the SB:

1980 Raiders
92 Bills were a WC. Won three straight and lost SB.
97 Broncos
2000 Ravens
2005 Steelers
2007 Giants
2008 Cards won three straight before barely losing the SB.
2010 Packers
2011 Giants
2012 Ravens
2020 Bucs

Nobody remembers the regular season. It's the postseason that matters.

That list of teams that won four games to win the SB is about to get a lot longer, as you'll have 2 teams in the postseason who can win it in 3. The other 12 teams would need to win 4. And my expectation is that in a few years, the league will (stupidly) expand the postseason to 8 teams per conference, so that will be the end of the 3-win Super Bowl journey.

As a football fan, it's fun to watch these games right now knowing about the postseason impact. If there were just 8 teams and four rounds, it would render the Chiefs early struggles as essentially meaningless in the big picture.