Game Day Thread Official Post-Game Thread: Week 1 - Pats lose to Dolphins 17-16

[Mack Herron]

Good news, but there were protection problems on the other side as well.

 

[Kontradiction]

Nah, I've already kicked the **** out of your argument. This is just you having been shot, and you're body not quite realizing it's dead.

If you say so.

I mean, the moment you posted



you committed argument suicide.

Not really. Because that points to the fact that the coaches adjusted to those drives. Without the fumble, which is not a coaching issue, the Pats take the lead.

 

[TomPatriot]

First drive/last drive/first drive is not a product of coaching and preparedness?

Miami's 17 points came from those 3 drives.

Holding Miami to 17 points should be enough to win. That’s not on the defense. Most of the mistakes were on offense.

 

[PScottman]

Of course, if they do that, you'll complain that Bourne and Agholor are making a lot of money and not making a lot of catches.

I don't know the nomination criteria, but line of the week right there.

 

[ashley]

Good news, but there were protection problems on the other side as well.

Good news indeed....I think we might see Cajuste next week if Brown isn't ready to go....just a hunch.

 

[amfootball]

Holding Miami to 17 points should be enough to win. That’s not on the defense. Most of the mistakes were on offense.

Overall were you impressed by the defense?
I wasn't. It's not like holding Tua to 17 is some big achievement. The guy stinks.

 

[ashley]

No, I'm pointing out the the most coached drives of any football game are the first and last of the halves, and that those drives are where the Dolphins scored their points. I wasn't going to point to the whole game, because I considered that to be patently obvious. Or, to put it another way:


"OMG! The Bucs had 11 penalties and 4 turnovers! Bruce Arians sucks! That team has no coach!" has magically morphed into "I know that the team got scored on in all 3 coaching drives, and I know they had 4 fumbles and 8 penalties, but that's on the players, not the coaches!".


You're being that guy.

Let's not turn this into a Bill vs Tom thread again because those of us that don't already have you blocked know which way you lean.

 

[Rob0729]

Don't know if anyone posted this.
From Yahoo Sports:

Mac Jones​

Stats: 29-for-39 for 281 yards and one touchdown

Jones didn't win in his NFL debut, but he showed the poise and precision that had many believing he was the most pro-ready quarterback in the class.

Jones was blitzed on nearly half his snaps but acquitted himself well throwing under pressure. Jones went 14-for-18 for 112 yards against the blitz and 14-for-19 for 102 yards when under pressure. He also went 8-for-12 for 89 yards on third down and a conversion rate of 66 percent. Of his 10 incompletions, only four were labeled as inaccurate passes. His 74 percent completion rate is the best mark ever for a rookie quarterback with at least 30 passing attempts in a game.

In short, Jones passed every test Sunday, and fumbles by Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson kept him from leaving with a win.

Yes, Jones has room to improve. The Patriots can and will put more on his plate. They will also keep putting him in situations to succeed.

Welcome to the top of the class, Mr. Jones.

Grade: A

NFL Week 1 rookie QB report card: Trey Lance flashes; Mac Jones impresses

Mac Jones showed veteran poise during his first NFL start while Trey Lance and Justin Fields flashed in limited action.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Deus Irae]

Holding Miami to 17 points should be enough to win. That’s not on the defense. Most of the mistakes were on offense.

That's not even an argument. It's an aspiration with absolutely no meaning in week one of an NFL season.

 

[ashley]

Overall were you impressed by the defense?
I wasn't. It's not like holding Tua to 17 is some big achievement. The guy stinks.

I agree with his premise, if we hold a team to 17 points, we should win....did our defense play great, no....but that was without Gilmore and if Harris doesn't fumble, we win that game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Let's not turn this into a Bill vs Tom thread again because those of us that don't already have you blocked know which way you lean.

???

Bill v. Tom has literally nothing to do with it.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

He shook hands with Elandon Roberts after the game

Her fav. Until we realized he couldn’t stop the run even if paper boy Johnny was carrying the ball

 

[ashley]

Her fav. Until we realized he couldn’t stop the run even if paper boy Johnny was carrying the ball

lol, very true, you just described Elandon perfectly.

 

[amfootball]

I agree with his premise, if we hold a team to 17 points, we should win....did our defense play great, no....but that was without Gilmore and if Harris doesn't fumble, we win that game.

Our Qb is a rookie. We are going to need our defense to be much better to win. 3 of our next 4 games are the Saints, Bucs, Cowboys. We won't have Gilmore for any of them.

 

[Uptown]

 

[PScottman]

Good news, but there were protection problems on the other side as well.

Could you provide any specifics? If you mean the inability to seal on running toss plays by both the LT, TE and WRs...I'm with you. Those were losses the majority of the time, but as far as pass protection - I don't recall particularly onerous play from Wynn and Onwenu and the following says similar:

Offensive Line​

Trent Brown left the game after seven snaps and did not return, which left his replacement, Justin Herron, in a tough spot. Herron started the rest of the game at right tackle, allowing three pressures and earning a 37.5 pass-blocking grade. The rest of the offensive line played admirably, not allowing a sack and helping the running backs achieve 44 yards before contact.

NFL Week 1 Game Recap: Miami Dolphins 17, New England Patriots 16 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Mac Jones nearly led the New England Patriots to a comeback win, but a late Patriots fumble preserved the 17-16 victory for Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins in Week 1 of the 2021 NFL season.

www.pff.com

 

[ashley]

To me, looking at that, Meyers has to catch the ball and I love Meyers, but on a 3rd down play he can't drop it. That ball is very catchable.

 

[Kontradiction]

Let's not turn this into a Bill vs Tom thread again because those of us that don't already have you blocked know which way you lean.

I think he was just using that as an example. If he’s looking to argue Bill vs Tom, he’d be doing it with someone else other than me.

 

[Rob0729]

No, I'm pointing out the the most coached drives of any football game are the first and last of the halves, and that those drives are where the Dolphins scored their points. I wasn't going to point to the whole game, because I considered that to be patently obvious. Or, to put it another way:


"OMG! The Bucs had 11 penalties and 4 turnovers! Bruce Arians sucks! That team has no coach!" has magically morphed into "I know that the team got scored on in all 3 coaching drives, and I know they had 4 fumbles and 8 penalties, but that's on the players, not the coaches!".


You're being that guy.

Historically, the Pats have allowed opposing teams drive down the field on opening drives. They tend to play softer and more vanilla defenses to let the opposing team tip their hand on what they are trying to do and then adjust on subsequent downs. It isn't unusual for the Pats' defense to have their worst series on the first drive from opposing offenses in each half.

I am not excusing the points, but that explains why they allowed points on those drives and not any other drive other than one.

 

[Deus Irae]

Historically, the Pats have allowed opposing teams drive down the field on opening drives. They tend to play softer and more vanilla defenses to let the opposing team tip their hand on what they are trying to do and then adjust on subsequent downs. It isn't unusual for the Pats' defense to have their worst series on the first drive from opposing offenses in each half.

I am not excusing the points, but that explains why they allowed points on those drives and not any other drive other than one.

That's coaching.