Cam Released

[Kontradiction]

His coverage skills were as poor as his opinions are stupid however, his ability to read plays and break on balls was impressive.

His coverage skills weren’t poor at all. He just took too many chances by trying to jump routes which made him susceptible to double moves. Sometimes it worked spectacularly, sometimes he got burned. But when we’re talking straight man to man coverage, Samuel was solid.

 

[patman12]

Why do we bend over backwards to defend the honor of like, one of the worst QBs to ever play for the Patriots for one season?

I don't think anyone likes when an athlete's reputation gets smeared by the press on the way out of town, this is similar. Calling out Cam's failures while playing QB is fair game but questioning his character away from the field is just taking an unneeded and unwarranted cheap shot. JMO

 

[PP2]

I was just waiting for BB to decide that Mac was ready. I hope he is, or it could be a rough year.

I think that the fact that we have such a solid run game was a big factor in BBs deciding on Mac. That will take the pressure off Mac, and hopefully prevent him from having to put the game on his shoulders too many times.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Both Manning brothers and Ben Rothlesberger started their rookie years and won two Super Bowls each. It works both ways.

It does when one doesn’t establish any cause and effect.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Why do we bend over backwards to defend the honor of like, one of the worst QBs to ever play for the Patriots for one season?

Because as bad as he was, we don't need to make up stories just to justify our hate more.

He sucked. He got released.

End.

 

[mgcolby]

Ahh yes the old "You disagreed with me so you didn't understand what you were watching!" What I do understand is that Bill thought Samuel was at least good enough to franchise tag which means he couldn't have been that bad. He was also a member of the Patriots "All 2000's Team", which won 3 Super Bowls in that span. He was also one of the top free agents in 2008 and Andy Reid (another one of the best coaches of the last 25 years) thought he was good enough to sign to a large contract.

I also left off the fact he was an All Pro with the Eagles in 2010 as well as a second team All Pro in 2009 and was the NFL interceptions leader 2x. So please tell me again how he was "overrated" and "worthless". He seemed to have plenty of worth to two of the best coaches of this era in addition to the stats and accolades. Or did Asante just hurt your delicate feelings?

No delicate feelings just absolutely dislike the guy. But you seem sensitive to him receiving criticism and came running to his defense? Did my words hurt your delicate feelings? That is just a dumb thing to say on a message board.

A lot of coaches have given a lot of players a big contract and were wrong. He was boom or bust. His shiney pick and passed defense numbers, only told part of the story. He was a gambler, undisciplined and was often beat. The secondary was aging badly and had very little CB depth in 2006 going into 2007 and Samual being tagged probably said more about the CB FA market than it did about him. Brown was playing CB just a few months before Samual was tagged.

Reid shipped him off after 2 seasons if I remember correctly. So clearly Reid didn't like what he was seeing. And the only good thing he did in Atlanta was dissapear. Basing success off of big contracts is a pretty futile way of judging someone's career. That would make Haynesworth a top defensive lineman of all time. And who here can forget AD? Put his ass in the hall after that contract.

Assante = overrated

 

[203Pat]

No delicate feelings just absolutely dislike the guy. But you seem sensitive to him receiving criticism and came running to his defense? Did my words hurt your delicate feelings? That is just a dumb thing to say on a message board.

A lot of coaches have given a lot of players a big contract and were wrong. He was boom or bust. His shiney pick and passed defense numbers, only told part of the story. He was a gambler, undisciplined and was often beat. The secondary was aging badly and had very little CB depth in 2006 going into 2007 and Samual being tagged probably said more about the CB FA market than it did about him. Brown was playing CB just a few months before Samual was tagged.

Reid shipped him off after 2 seasons if I remember correctly. So clearly Reid didn't like what he was seeing. And the only good thing he did in Atlanta was dissapear. Basing success off of big contracts is a pretty futile way of judging someone's career. That would make Haynesworth a top defensive lineman of all time. And who here can forget AD? Put his ass in the hall after that contract.

Assante = overrated

Okay you're right I am wrong. I really don't care that much about Asante Samuel.

 

[Redman443]

Asante on espn now lol dissing Belichick

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I was just waiting for BB to decide that Mac was ready. I hope he is, or it could be a rough year.

Cam wasn't ready to lead us to anything more, so I don't see the downside.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Asante on espn now lol dissing Belichick

***hat A$ante is sooooooo salty.

Hope hes lost sleep dropping an INT and blowing coverage on Tyree in SB42

 

[Rob0729]

I posted this in another thread, but I figured I would also post here since this is a more active thread.

Ok, I have read people posting this stat on this board and also heard it on the radio today - In the last ten years, 37 QBs have been drafted in the first round and only seven went to the playoffs in their rookie season. Can we end this irrelevant stat quickly as it relates to Mac Jones? You need to look deeper at that information to see it really is an irrelevant stat.

In the last ten drafts (this past draft excluded), eight QBs were drafted with the first overall pick, five were drafted with the second overall pick, two were drafted with the third overall pick, and one was drafted fifth overall. That is 16 QBs drafted by a top five worst team from the year prior. The odds of any of those teams going to the playoffs even with a very good season veteran is relatively low. Ironically, two of the seven rookies who made it came from this group (Luck whose team tanked to get him and RGIII).

And there are just the complete bust QBs drafted in the first round like Josh Rosen, Paxton Lynch, Tim Tebow, Blaine Gabbart, Jake Locker, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Christian Ponder, Marcus Mariotta, and Blake Bortles. These guys couldn't get the playoffs even as seasoned pros or got to the playoffs one year despite their limited talent. There is a chance that Mac Jones ends up in this category, but from what we have seen thus far it is highly unlikely.

And you still have the QBs who either were drafted by teams with the coach on the hotseat and one foot out the door or a first year head coach who is trying to rebuild a bad program. A lot of the QBs already mentioned fit into this category, but includes others like Daniel Jones (who is tetering on the bust category), Ryan Tannehill, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, etc.

And of course there is Jordan Love who is in his own category, but could end up in the bust category. He was drafted specifically for the future and had zero shot at starting because he was backing up Rodgers.

I actually cannot think of any of the first round draft picks that is in the same situation as Mac Jones. Jones is on a team with a great and established coaching staff. The Patriots had a down year last year, but now looks to have a great defense, o-line, and running game. The Patriots not only has the talent around him to make the Pats a playoff team, but also take pressure off him from carrying the team week after week like a Trevor Lawerence is likely going to have to.

Not saying that the Pats will make the playoffs this year, but past history of first round draft picks is a horrible way to predict if they will not.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Asante on espn now lol dissing Belichick

Jesus, dudes still living in 2006.

 

[Bill Lee]

How long until race bating piece of sh*t Rob Parker blames this move on race? He’s probably hovered over a computer right now convulsing in rage while editing his 4th draft as I type this.

TBH one national NFL.COM podcast I listen to has said things like 'they waited to cut Cam till after it was clear Mac was better because they didn't want to be labelled as being racist' and the last one said something like 'they made the right choice' in a wink wink nod nod kind of way, also plenty of Welker/Amendola/Edleman jokes about favoring short white guys over the year. All three of the current guys on the podcast have NE area backgrounds, one is a Pats fan, and all know the history of Boston being perceived as being a racist town, and they work that line of thought more than one would think. Kind of surprising when it does pop up, IMO, yet it's done in a mocking way and more or less to mock people like Parker.

 

[Redman443]

Side note max kellerman is leaving first take

 

[Bill Lee]

Look, I think it is as simple as the kid has impressed in camp and practice and is far ahead of where they imagined he would be. He's ready to play NOW or bill wouldn't play him. Why sit the kid if he's ready to go out there and perform?

I'm glad this is where we ended up. I was worried that Bill thought Cam would help him 'win now'.

Patriots cut Cam Newton because how is he going to accept being a backup? He did look somewhat better in the preseason this year. But not that much better. Last game he was throwing balls into the dirt. Still not making any changes at line of scrimmage.

Agreed, Cam did not play well enough to win the job, and IMO keeping him around could cause problems later in the season if Mac struggles so it was good Cam was sent packing. I would think they probably phrased it as "you don't really want to be a rookie's backup Mr. MVP, do you?" or "we wouldn't insult you by offering you a backup role". I think BB and staff knows how to build a team, and knows keeping Cam around was probably going to be more trouble than it was worth.

 

[rogerthat]

Rothlesberger went 15-1 and got to the AFC Championship game that year, better than all four of your QBs did their rookie year when they sat on the pine. He then went on to win two Super Bowls, which is more than Rogers or Mahomes (yet).

We can argue it for a while if you want, but really, there is no proof one way or another that playing Mac as a rookie is any better or worse than sitting him. That said, considering the QBs who are available in free agency or as potential trades, the team is better off with Mac by a country mile.

Rothesberger really only won 1 SB as the refs gifted him the other.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

***hat A$ante is sooooooo salty.

Hope hes lost sleep dropping an INT and blowing coverage on Tyree in SB42

STFU

 

[Redman443]

Nothing like a good bb press conference.

So bill, why did you release cam Newton?

because mac played better

 

[Bill Lee]

I'd add that QBs are coming out of college more prepared for the pro game than ever before.

And this particular one just won the National Championship playing for the most successful team in recent history. It's not like he's being yanked from 2nd Div and thrown behind center in the NFL.

 

[Uptown]