POLL: You're the GM: Cam or Harry Gone?

[Sicilian]

I'm in the minority....Cam goes and Harry stays. I still think Harry has some potential to be an ok WR. Years 1 he had Brady and it is a known FACT Tom was pissy about throwing to rooks and last year Cam was throwing to him. He won't ever be a WR1 or 2 but I still think he could develop into the 3-4 range. It's not pretty but he did more then double his yards and catch % went up..

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I'm not ok with Cam ruining 2021. Harry can't ruin the season...he has very little impact on the outcome of games.

Gonna make a few points here, sorry for the list:

1) Brady's reluctance to throw to rookie WR's is vastly overblown by some. The only WRs drafted highly by this team in recent years have been Harry, Dobson, and further back Jackson. None of them turned out to be good WR's (for different reason), so it's not like Brady had talent he was refusing to utilize. If Brady was sour last year it wasn't over Harry specifically, but more about the general state of the team.

2) Cam only ruins the season if he either becomes a locker cancer because he lost his job (which I would doubt, given what BB and all of his teammates have said about him), or he is the starter all year which means Mac isn't ready. And if Mac isn't ready either, the season isn't going anywhere regardless. At least with Cam you now have a backup QB that you know can win you 50% of the games he has to play.

3) I wouldn't disagree on seeing what Harry can do in his third training camp, if it had not been for the recent public comments. Once that's out there, you now have to question whether this guy is going to give you an honest effort for a team he doesn't believe is on his side.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Am I missing something on cam? Did he start acting up recently? Im a bit out the loop lately and i realize hes not a very good qb anymore but wouldve thought this is a no brainer. Cam imo would be a good backup / short yardage/ gimmick specialist to have handy

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Let's say Mac wins the job but gets hurt sometime this year. Cam would still have value.

Let's say Cam wins the job but it's only a "bridge" role. That has value.

Harry adds nothing. A "bridge" 4th/5th WR, who doesn't work hard, has an obviosuly inflated ego, and is respected by nobody, apparently? He needs to be gone, yesterday. Even if it is for stale Doritos and trail mix to be named later.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Gonna make a few points here, sorry for the list:

1) Brady's reluctance to throw to rookie WR's is vastly overblown by some. The only WRs drafted highly by this team in recent years have been Harry, Dobson, and further back Jackson. None of them turned out to be good WR's (for different reason), so it's not like Brady had talent he was refusing to utilize. If Brady was sour last year it wasn't over Harry specifically, but more about the general state of the team.

2) Cam only ruins the season if he either becomes a locker cancer because he lost his job (which I would doubt, given what BB and all of his teammates have said about him), or he is the starter all year which means Mac isn't ready. And if Mac isn't ready either, the season isn't going anywhere regardless. At least with Cam you now have a backup QB that you know can win you 50% of the games he has to play.

3) I wouldn't disagree on seeing what Harry can do in his third training camp, if it had not been for the recent public comments. Once that's out there, you now have to question whether this guy is going to give you an honest effort for a team he doesn't believe is on his side.

Good points. I wish we weren't at that spot with number 3 -- I thought Mac's ball placement might have been enough to bring Harry to a serviceable if unspectacular level as a chain-mover and red zone specialist -- but after his agent's demands, he's done here.

 

[Zuma]

Lot of good comments for keeping Cam over Harry. However voting is still 8-8. RLKAG could be the deciding factor. Ray could easily track down Harry and kill him...Cam might still be too elusive.

 

[Froob]

Not sure why Cam is thrown in here. Cam will be here. Harry won't make the roster.

 

[Zuma]

Not sure why Cam is thrown in here. Cam will be here. Harry won't make the roster.

It’s obviously a silly poll (hence the BSG post) with neither player having a major impact on each other.

 

[Bill Lee]

It's needs to be Harry. Immediately. His agent spoke for him. That's it. He is done.

I think we need more time on Cam. If Mac wins the job out of camp, i'm confident BB and Cam will have an adult conversation and respectfully listen to what each other wants moving forward. I don't see Cam running to Bus and asking for him to publicly demand a trade.

Yeah, but Ray Lewis killed a guy, maybe two...

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Yes.

 

[borg]

Hmmmmmm.......
Who hurts the team more as a Pat?

The guy who can't read defenses and chucks grounders
or
The guy who will be an inconsequential bench fixture like all #5 WRs in the NFL

 

[Zuma]

Hmmmmmm.......
Who hurts the team more as a Pat?

The guy who can't read defenses and chucks grounders
or
The guy who will be an inconsequential bench fixture like all #5 WRs in the NFL

 

[Zuma]

This is a very heated battle between keeping Cam or Harry and Ray Lewis may kill them both off if this continues. Cam has 12 votes, Harry 11 and Ray Lewis is killing it with 6.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Cam hasn’t produced like a former MVP. But at least in his case (1) he has shown up (2) put the effort and (3) is respected by his teammates.

This crybaby act Harry is pulling baffles me. Like, who do you think you are and what trade value do you believe is merited ?!? What team would give any value for NH ?

He has produced exactly like a former MVP... we're just used to the idea that some years you're MVP, some years you're not, and it's all politics. Brady was getting rewarded for one of let's say hmmmmm 15 elite seasons, with some "very goods" thrown in there. A lot of MVPs are being recognize for one outlier year in a decent but not elite career. Not to split hairs, but I think people (not you) are running around arguing that he should get slack because he had a good year in 2015. I do think he'll improve in 2021, because how can he not. Please don't answer that.

It's like he's the star of his own personal movie, In'ception. I was going to try to extend that pun into a metaphor with people diving into Cam's mind, thinking they've fixed the mechanics, but they end up in another dream within a dream. Too damn tired, I got up early. Leave it at the pun. Cam Newton in: In'ception.

Do you prefere to die burnt or to die drowned

Crap, I've got burn out over rust, burn out over fade away, but nobody said nothin' about drowned. --N'Keal Young.

Okay but seriously, folks, N'Keal's agent actually said you have to put half his problems on Cam, because if Tom Brady had been here, he'd have been feeding N'Keal. No he wouldn't. He threw to the open guy, and N'Keal wasn't the open guy. You might even say -- and that agent or N'Keal at some point or another probably did say -- that Brady "wasn't fair" about targeting him enough.

Making noise about wanting a trade isn't really terribly big news, but it sure makes you the hands-down loser of the hypothetical. You don't want to set a precedent where one low-producing receiver talks smack about his admittedly underperforming QB (Cam) and gets rewarded for it.

That's probably the content of the smack-talking about Cam - baiting the Pats into trading him. It will be interesting to watch it play out.

But if I get the question, that's just one more reason not to think about a Cam move in response to Harry's unhappiness. Harry's unhappiness is likely with the team, not with Cam -- his agent just threw in a Cam chaser.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

And your poll should include CNMSW. I have spoken.

 

[IllegalContact]

I'm in the minority....Cam goes and Harry stays. I still think Harry has some potential to be an ok WR. Years 1 he had Brady and it is a known FACT Tom was pissy about throwing to rooks and last year Cam was throwing to him. He won't ever be a WR1 or 2 but I still think he could develop into the 3-4 range. It's not pretty but he did more then double his yards and catch % went up..

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I'm not ok with Cam ruining 2021. Harry can't ruin the season...he has very little impact on the outcome of games.

yeesh.......55.6% for 9.2 yards per reception

that's like keeping a baseball player because he's a contact hitter who bats .200

 

[IllegalContact]

Cam's removal stands to be more consequential this year.....you don't go into the regular season with Jones and Stidham

He's worth holding onto in the event that last year was not his best.....you can always dump him in the middle of the season

 

[Zuma]

Cam's removal stands to be more consequential this year.....you don't go into the regular season with Jones and Stidham

He's worth holding onto in the event that last year was not his best.....you can always dump him in the middle of the season

If Cam starts half the season I have a feeling we are going to think we should have dumped him before the season started. I just don't want the season ruined because we hope last season was a fluke for him...but I get your point.

 

[IllegalContact]

If Cam starts half the season I have a feeling we are going to think we should have dumped him before the season started. I just don't want the season ruined because we hope last season was a fluke for him...but I get your point.

you must handle Mac Jones development....can't just throw him out there

point being, as soon as Jones is ready, Cam becomes irrelevant.

of course this could change if a QB other than Stidham or Hoyer winds up on the roster.......but that possibility becomes less realistic with every passing day of any camps.

We may scare some playoff teams this year with either QB, but I think 2022 is the season you should circle for world dominance

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I was really open to giving Harry another shot this year. Now, not so much. If I'm ball gagged and handcuffed, I guess Cam's my choice...

Now let me go throw up.

 

[Pats1971]

Cam hasn’t produced like a former MVP. But at least in his case (1) he has shown up (2) put the effort and (3) is respected by his teammates.

This crybaby act Harry is pulling baffles me. Like, who do you think you are and what trade value do you believe is merited ?!? What team would give any value for NH ?

Yeah but the important thing is producing, neither has, and smiling on the sideline is not good enough to keep a job in the NFL. Also his pressers look like a funeral.