Trent Brown Playing LT and Onwenu at RT with Wynn Still Out

[captain stone]

You (and others) think that the best lineup is Brown, Wynn, Andrews, Mason, Onwenu.

The staff seems to believe that this probably weakens the OL at a couple of positions.
1) Wynn is a better LT than Brown.
2) Brown is a better RT than Onwenu.

As an aside
3) It is NOT clear that the team believes that Onwenu's future is at RT. All indications are that they prefer him at OG.

The bottom line is that you believe that Wynn is injury prone and worth nowhere near what we are paying him. So, you want to make the best of it, and have him be a part-time LG. I suspect that, even better, you would prefer not risking injury, and have him as the backup at 3 positions.

4) Onwenu is NOT a better LG than Wynn.

Simple as that, really.

 

[mgteich]

4) Onwenu is NOT a better LG than Wynn.

Simple as that, really.

OK. Let us say that this is true.

Is Onwenu a better OT than Wynn. NOT! Is Brown-Onwenu better than Wynn-Brown, and by how much.?

I understand that you are consistent. You have promoted Onwenu as a RT since the day he was drafted. belichick agreed with you SO MUC that he is paying $10M for our RT.

To be clear, the team can choose one solution, and then switch at any time. We will start our top 5 OL's. Karras is our backup IOL. Finally, the starting LG is our backup OT.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

As fifth best on a line with the four other projected staters (if Wynn was missing) I still think he’s more than adequate. I like / prefer Wynn in the starting five. Obv. Was just saying this wouldn’t be a disastrous starting OL (w Karras).

Agree. Karras is the best backup and the OLine isn't bad if he plays LG. All the other backups should not play if possible, our QBs would get wrecked. The minimal disruption to OLine would be alternating Wynn/Karras at LG depending on who is healthy.

Imagine a defensive secondary where your CB1 was hurt 70% of the time. Not tenable, it screws with the entire unit constantly.

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[Wax Frog]

As predicted, Wynn is still out of practice with injuries. Trent Brown is playing LT, Onwenu at RT, and Karras at LG.

At this point just keep Trent Brown at LT and Onwenu at RT. Brown was good enough to win a Superbowl with the Pats at LT and Onwenu was a top10 RT last year. We can't keep reshuffling the OLine when Wynn is out, and Wynn has missed 70% of his NFL games since he was drafted.

When Wynn comes back just plug him in at LG where he played guard most of his college career...

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[BaconGrundleCandy]

Arent Andrews and Mason just as "injury prone"? The propensity for posters to bury players for the entire upcoming season before camp even begins is something I'll never understand.

So again...what about Mason and Andrews too then? They're similarly injury prone the past few years. Just as unreliable. Better get 10 different guys in here to play OL with this "Wynn is going to miss the season" take.

What about Brown lol ....


DKF needs a new hobby lol.

Also it's super weird that Mods delete a post here or there. Will get fired up about a GDT and such but allow this softie to make the same thread 3-4 times in a row. Hijack threads with awful material. Falling on his face by page 2.

I love a good troll but he's bad at this.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This is what the OP said in another one of his failed threads. Poor little guy thinks playing a different position will make a difference concerning injuries.
I'm dead serious there should be a kindergarten of sorts in this place. Not everyone is ready to eat at the grownup table. Poor kid has cranberry sauce dribbling down his chin. Can't take him seriously when he's talking with half his meal on him on his shirt.

One of those times he's so serious and thinks he has a point
"Excellent, so Trent only plays 50% of his games at RT and played 16 of 16 games at LT. Thanks for making my point for me. Trent Brown shouldn't be playing RT, and for the same reason Wynn has missed 70% of his games at LT. Both Trent shouldn't be playing RT and Wynn shouldn't be playing LT as they keep getting dinged up in those positions. Trent played a full season of LT here and Wynn has played LG in college. Maybe we play Trent at LT as he's not a run mauler, he's a gentle giant in demeanor and he can't stay healthy playing RT."

 

[DropKickFlutie]

What about Brown lol ....
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DKF needs a new hobby lol.

Also it's super weird that Mods delete a post here or there. Will get fired up about a GDT and such but allow this softie to make the same thread 3-4 times in a row. Hijack threads with awful material. Falling on his face by page 2.

I love a good troll but he's bad at this.

Keep it coming. I've clearly struck a nerve and you have thin skin. Sorry that you care way too much about being a fake expert here... Still waiting btw for you to back up your bogus repeated claim that Mac Jones only made 50% of his 2nd read+ throws in college, that is before you did a total-180 after we drafted him =D

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[One-If-By-Sea]

This is what the OP said in another one of his failed threads. Poor little guy thinks playing a different position will make a difference concerning injuries.
I'm dead serious there should be a kindergarten of sorts in this place. Not everyone is ready to eat at the grownup table. Poor kid has cranberry sauce dribbling down his chin. Can't take him seriously when he's talking with half his meal on him on his shirt.

One of those times he's so serious and thinks he has a point
"Excellent, so Trent only plays 50% of his games at RT and played 16 of 16 games at LT. Thanks for making my point for me. Trent Brown shouldn't be playing RT, and for the same reason Wynn has missed 70% of his games at LT. Both Trent shouldn't be playing RT and Wynn shouldn't be playing LT as they keep getting dinged up in those positions. Trent played a full season of LT here and Wynn has played LG in college. Maybe we play Trent at LT as he's not a run mauler, he's a gentle giant in demeanor and he can't stay healthy playing RT."

You don't think we are going to play Trent at LT since he is a gentle giant?? You are a savage. Brutal, absolutely brutal.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Keep it coming. I've clearly struck a nerve and you have thin skin. Sorry that you care way too much about being a fake expert here... Still waiting btw for you to back up your bogus repeated claim that Mac Jones only made 50% of his 2nd read+ throws in college, that is before you did a total-180 after we drafted him =D

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Buddy I'm letting you live out your "make a wish dream" by even responding to you. And you should be thankful bc I basically had to master "Ret ard" overnight to converse with you.

Also it's been pointed out to you several times that it's a PFF stat, not mine. And it's not 50%.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Buddy I'm letting you live out your "make a wish dream" by even responding to you. And you should be thankful bc I basically had to master "Ret ard" overnight to converse with you.

Also it's been pointed out to you several times that it's a PFF stat, not mine. And it's not 50%.View attachment 33381

Going back it looks like Ochmed was making the 50% 2nd read claim. But it helped me see this bit of gold from you. I don't appreciate how you gatekeep opinions and act as if you know more than multiple other posters. You don't. Sorry to break it to you. Try to not turn red when you read this as you seem extremely sensitive (and arrogant):

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Edit: actually nevermind it's too late, I see you're going through all my posts now adding juvenile emoji's to comments from 3 months ago. You seem like an overly sensitive teenager. Maybe turn off the computer for the weekend, you seem really worked up.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Going back it looks like Ochmed was making the 50% 2nd read claim. But it helped me see this bit of gold from you. I don't appreciate how you gatekeep opinions and act as if you know more than multiple other posters. You don't. Sorry to break it to you. Try to not turn red when you read this as you seem extremely sensitive (and arrogant):

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Edit: actually nevermind it's too late, I see you're going through all my posts now. You seem like an overly sensitive teenager. Maybe turn off the computer for the weekend, you seem really worked up.

Lol you're an absolute mess. Like it was a secret I wouldn't have picked Mac at 15.

You're awful at this. Your post are legit comedy for the board. Mixing up what posters say lol. No clue what you're talking about. Like none. Hope you're very young bc it's possible, I guess, to learn but so far you're a know nothing poster that says stuff like this ...

"Excellent, so Trent only plays 50% of his games at RT and played 16 of 16 games at LT. Thanks for making my point for me. Trent Brown shouldn't be playing RT, and for the same reason Wynn has missed 70% of his games at LT. Both Trent shouldn't be playing RT and Wynn shouldn't be playing LT as they keep getting dinged up in those positions. Trent played a full season of LT here and Wynn has played LG in college. Maybe we play Trent at LT as he's not a run mauler, he's a gentle giant in demeanor and he can't stay healthy playing RT.

If we do a lot of pulls and traps and guards and centers running it could work well. That and also a lot of screen passes to Jonnu Smith"

Do you realize how dumb this reads... But by all means keep it up. Literally no one thinks you're insightful and you get buried by posters in threads you start. Like this gem ... We need a thread of links to all your stuff to keep it light around here.

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There's a fifth of us here on this train, and why not? Trent Brown won a ring with the Pats as the starting Left Tackle. He was an elite left tackle. By all grades for 6 years the guy was a better pass blocker than run blocker. He's an ELITE pass blocker. He's a gentle giant. He is NOT a...

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[BaconGrundleCandy]

DKF is definitely that kid that had to be assigned to a team by the gym teacher bc no one would pick him. Last year he talked about 3 things for 12 months and didn't have a clue about any of it lol.

Who knew Josh was picking CB's too?
"This score reminds me of the idiotic Patriots draft system instituted by McDaniels/Caserio that focuses on height or combine stats for WRs/CBs and has resulted in a graveyard of bust picks. Instead of looking at a core skill of whether a guy can get open or cover receivers.

What is the correlation between a DT being good, with their broad jump or other combine stats? How about the core skill of the job - is he the best DT at stuffing the run? I hope he drops because other teams stupidly pass on the kid because he isn't a great broad jumper."

Also no one is picking a position based solely measurables. Tape + traits + athletic testing = a prospect to bet one.

 

[PScottman]

What about Brown lol ....

Yep, missed him as another. - good catch. That's probably the broader talking point is that the majority of the Pats OL has been on/off the injury bus consistently the past few years and given that their depth is a question mark and unknown, does it really matter why the team didn't get Julio Jones (or any other name WR) if the QB (whomever it ends up being) may not have a good OL protecting him?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

He's not ****ing injured though, is he! OP made it it up, he's just not at OTAs, like 15 other guys as well.

I heard he pulled a hamstring getting up from his couch, he will be out six months

 

[50-yard-line]

No. Read above. I said alternatively we keep messing with Onwenu and jerking multiple players around when Wynn is hurt. LG moving to RT again and then the RT moving to LT. This will likely happen frequently with Wynn missing 70% of his career games. Not thrilled with instability at both tackle spots. Would rather have stability at the tackle spots and worry less that the LG spot is shuffled between Wynn and Karras.

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For the 90th time, that 70% number is grossly inflated because he's only played three years and missed the entirety of the first year with an Achilles - which is a pretty common NFL injury, along with an ACL, for taking a player out. So that's 33% of Wynn's total regular season games right there.

He was leading the team in offensive snaps almost two-thirds of the way through the season last year before a MINOR injury put him on the COVID-season 3-game IR, and by the time he was ready to come back, the Pats' season was done. For all you know, BB wanted a better look at Onwenu and Herron then and so decided to take no chances on his starting LT.

NFL players get hurt - and the degree and rate differs by position. There are "iron men" (KC just put two of them on their line), but the fact of the matter is that your number 6 and 7 OL will probably start some games. End of story.

You'd think anyone watching the Patriots for the last 20 years would understand that BB builds a redundant and flexible roster for just this reason. While coaches like Reid roll the dice with top-heavy rosters, the Pats build a thick roster - how many SB runs have they made held together by duct tape?

You wouldn't have signed Willie McGinest past his rookie season, and even if you had, you would have cut him halfway through that second contract.

 

[Sicilian]

4) Onwenu is NOT a better LG than Wynn.

Simple as that, really.

I don't see how we can possibly know that, given we haven't seen either player play that position thus far in the NFL.

 

[captain stone]

OK. Let us say that this is true.

Is Onwenu a better OT than Wynn. NOT! Is Brown-Onwenu better than Wynn-Brown, and by how much.?

I understand that you are consistent. You have promoted Onwenu as a RT since the day he was drafted. belichick agreed with you SO MUC that he is paying $10M for our RT.

To be clear, the team can choose one solution, and then switch at any time. We will start our top 5 OL's. Karras is our backup IOL. Finally, the starting LG is our backup OT.

LT? Absolutely Not.

RT? Yes.

 

[captain stone]

I don't see how we can possibly know that, given we haven't seen either player play that position thus far in the NFL.

Wynn played quality LG in college....Less than a year ago it was being speculated that Onwenu's best pro position might be DT...

Again, this isn't that hard, people.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Wynn played quality LG in college....Less than a year ago it was being speculated that Onwenu's best pro position might be DT...

Again, this isn't that hard, people.

Yes. I see media writers writing lazy articles that Onwenu's best spot is LG. Um, no, not necessarily. If a rookie comes in and plays RT at an elite NFL level, that's his new position. RT is much more valuable than LG. Onwenu can certainly play LG if Wynn or Karras are hurt and those 2 can't play LG first. Build the OLine around Onwenu at RT.

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[Sicilian]

Wynn played quality LG in college....Less than a year ago it was being speculated that Onwenu's best pro position might be DT...

Again, this isn't that hard, people.

Harry played quality WR in college. Unfortunately that doesn't always translate to the pros. What we know for a fact is that Wynn (when healthy) has played a strong LT at the pro level, and Onwenu has played a strong RT at the pro level. With Brown now in the fold, one of them needs to be moved to LG in order to field your strongest five OL. I'm not claiming that Wynn won't be moved to G (though my money isn't on it), just that we have no data to support either one is better than the other at positions they haven't played at the NFL level.