Re-Assessment: After a Good Draft/FA, These Players are maybe on the Proverbial Hot Seat

[moosekill]

I don't fault either Tom, or Harry for that season, they both get passes. I also don't blame Harry for last year. It looked like after Cam threw a number of interceptions early, he was basically told to not throw anything risky. Harry's game was not what Cam could do. Now that doesn't mean Harry is any good, just that he gets a pass from me on both seasons. This is his make or break year.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Tom spends the last games grumbling and shouting and locking in on one guy, JE. ****show.

Undrafted Meyers had more production and trust in Brady in the exact same 2019 season. The excuse making for Harry is not in the realm of rationality anymore.

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[moosekill]

All the excuse making for Harry is wearing thin. AB was able to come in mid season, learn the playbook, immediately get chemistry with Brady. Don't try to paint Brady just to defend Harry. Even an UDFA in Meyers got more confidence in Brady in the exact same 2019 season. The excuses for Harry are getting crazy.

I am not going to argue with you, it simply isn't worth it. In past posts about this I showed that almost no rookie ever meshed with Brady in the first half of the season, and very few meshed with him until the post season. Harry played less than 1/2 a season with Tom. He gets a pass for not meshing, Meyers had a full season to play with him. Cam sucked last year, he was simply awful and wasn't allowed to throw any balls into tight coverage. Harry may suck, but until he plays with a qb who isn't historically bad I won't give up on him.

 

[50-yard-line]

All the excuse making for Harry is wearing thin. AB was able to come in mid season, learn the playbook, immediately get chemistry with Brady. Don't try to paint Brady just to defend Harry. Even an UDFA in Meyers got more confidence in Brady in the exact same 2019 season. The excuses for Harry are getting crazy.

Sure, ,man, 10-year vet with 11,000 yards that Brady was Jonesing for. Oh, and in that game, he had a 50% catch rate for 56 yards (and Brady wet himself when Brown caught that TD). But same thing, really.

Exactly the same thing.

 

[Tony2046]

I don’t know if it is 100% true or not, but I remember one of the mediots saying that Stidham was “relieved” when Cam was brought in last year. I think that was an instant “ok we’re done with this guy” moment if it was true.

Wow and Yikes if true.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Sure, ,man, 10-year vet with 11,000 yards that Brady was Jonesing for. Oh, and in that game, he had a 50% catch rate for 56 yards (and Brady wet himself when Brown caught that TD). But same thing, really.

Exactly the same thing.

You totally ignored that Meyers, undrafted FA, earned Brady's trust and had better production. Same thing with a different QB Cam. It's not worth debating the ridiculous point you're claiming that Harry might be good, given the Pats' own actions speak very loudly in how they just spent big money on 2 expensive WRs and 2 expensive TEs. Harry is done.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't fault either Tom, or Harry for that season, they both get passes. I also don't blame Harry for last year. It looked like after Cam threw a number of interceptions early, he was basically told to not throw anything risky. Harry's game was not what Cam could do. Now that doesn't mean Harry is any good, just that he gets a pass from me on both seasons. This is his make or break year.

Harry probably won’t make the team in 2021 unless be lucks out by getting PUP stashed after a minor injury. He doesn’t have a make or break year because he lacks the upside for it to matter...the only make or break is whether is whether he’s a bench warmer waiting to be released or just released during cut time.

I did enough arguing last offseason in saying Sanu would be cut and getting so much flack for it. I don’t care if you’re willing to accept it or not. Harry is a bust and is on his way out of the league.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Harry probably won’t make the team in 2021 unless be lucks out by getting PUP stashed after a minor injury. He doesn’t have a make or break year because he lacks the upside for it to matter...the only make or break is whether is whether he’s a bench warmer waiting to be released or just released during cut time.

I did enough arguing last offseason in saying Sanu would be cut and getting so much flack for it. I don’t care if you’re willing to accept it or not. Harry is a bust and is on his way out of the league.

Cue the same excuse makers excusing Sanu's ankle. Always some reason for why the player is actually good but it didn't work. Nope the personnel dept has been weak up until recently with improvements like Eliot Wolf here, Matt Patricia back, and Groh more involved.

 

[PScottman]

4) Michel is Mitchel. He is one of our RB's for his 4th year.

Michel in the Burkhead role would not shock me. He can absolutely catch the football, it's just never thrown to him, plus he's cheap on his rookie deal and it's "prove it" time. Unless injured again (the perennial equalizer) his situation absolutely dictates "put up or pack up".

 

[resdubwhite]

Looks a really stacked dline now and a couple more options off the edge. Would think wino is someone with trade value. Much like Harry the change of scenery might do him and the team some good. Generating 2022 picks of any hue would be beneficial

Sony is staying and Stevenson slots in. Nixon looks intriguing and could stick.

That lb depth is a strength now. Probably Hightowers last year if the new guys adapt well.

 

[Brit patriot]

I think Harry's lack of route running will mean an unproductive career. However one thing he can apparently do is catch contested throws. Having an accurate QB and not one who is crying his way out of the door may mean he can do something.

 

[DarrylS]

I don’t know if it is 100% true or not, but I remember one of the mediots saying that Stidham was “relieved” when Cam was brought in last year. I think that was an instant “ok we’re done with this guy” moment if it was true.

The problem with mediots is that they often rely on what a guy says.. there were pix if him working out on the West Coast.

Jarrett Stidham leads a workout with Patriots pass-catchers in L.A.

Jarrett Stidham is already working with the newcomers.

patriotswire.usatoday.com

The other part of this was that last year he was supposed to make a "jump" but a hip injury, no TC and no preseason probably slowed him down.

I am not a Stidham apologist, but if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is..

Mediots make a living off of stirring up controversy and "riling" up the fans..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Based on numbers alone we have a ****load of 2-6 technique DLs.

I see us at the most keeping 6.

Montravius Adams
Henry Anderson
Christian Barmore
Byron Cowart
Carl Davis
Davon Godchaux
Lawrence Guy
Bill Murray
Akeem Spence
Nick Thurman

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I wouldn't want to be Keane or Asiasi. This will be a make or break camp for Cajuste. I thought he was a steal and stash pick, lets see if he can stay healthy. It will be interesting to see if Wynn and Michel get their 5th year options picked up. I'm leaning towards "yes" for both of them.

I was over at OTC and cut the roster down to 54:

I thought that Terez Hall showed a little something, but he is in for a roster spot fight with Bentley, and McMillan only one of those three make the team.

I think Bolden's time might have come. Other notable cuts: Bethel, Cody Davis, Keane, Asiasi, King, Vitale, Spence, Bower, Stidham, Reynolds, Montavius Adams, Virgin, Devin Smith, Cunningham, Marcus Martin, Carl Davis, Aguayo

I think all the draft picks aside from Nixon get a roster spot, Nixon will have to beat our Gunner.

I can see why no UDFA, just not enough room on the roster, plus one less pre-season game.

 

[archstanton543]

How does a draft where the Pats selected zero WR's (for all intents and purposes) put Harry on the hot seat?

 

[RobertWeathers]

How does a draft where the Pats selected zero WR's (for all intents and purposes) put Harry on the hot seat?

Yep. Harry was on the hot seat long before the draft.

 

[Bill Lee]

Harry may suck, but he certainly seems to be a better fit with a qb who will throw with accuracy and into contested windows, then Cam does. He also was a very good blocker last year. You never know how he does in practice, but unless he is really bad, I can't see him getting cut this year. Having a wr on the field who can block on a team that does a lot of running isn't a bad thing.

I don't fault either Tom, or Harry for that season, they both get passes. I also don't blame Harry for last year. It looked like after Cam threw a number of interceptions early, he was basically told to not throw anything risky. Harry's game was not what Cam could do. Now that doesn't mean Harry is any good, just that he gets a pass from me on both seasons. This is his make or break year.

I think that's about right. I think he was brought in because he has size, could make contested catches and block well. If BB wanted a guy with blazing speed there were guys who offered that still on the board, yet he had Harry above them. They probably also projected some growth potential, and we can see he hasn't really shown much of that.

He was given a lot of reps last year, and did not shine. He'll have to show some improvement in training camp, or very well could get cut.

Right now he is sitting at WR4 in my depth chart. He'll be easy to keep just for depth, but also easy to cut if someone moves past him.

He better hope the team doesn't sign Byrd to a vet minimum camp contract.

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think that's about right. I think he was brought in because he has size, could make contested catches and block well. If BB wanted a guy with blazing speed there were guys who offered that still on the board, yet he had Harry above them. They probably also projected some growth potential, and we can see he hasn't really shown much of that.

He was given a lot of reps last year, and did not shine. He'll have to show some improvement in training camp, or very well could get cut.

Right now he is sitting at WR4 in my depth chart. He'll be easy to keep just for depth, but also easy to cut if someone moves past him.

He better hope the team doesn't sign Byrd to a vet minimum camp contract.

We may add two wr’s who aren’t on team yet. Him and Gunner are 4/5.I don’t think either is a lock.

In a two TE set, he’s out wide. Bring Jonnu in motion to his side and you have 3 pretty good blockers on that side in; Henry, N’Keal and Jonnu for a toss to the rb

 

[p8ryts]

That option decision was known 3 days ago. The fact that they didn’t spend a high pick on the line tells you (well, me at least) that they’re leaning towards picking it up. They brought in Brown, yes, but that’s a clear replacement for Thuney even if there’s some player role shuffling involved.

You know who’s on the hot seat as a result of this draft?
- Stidham - you nailed that one, although we all figured that to be the case anyhow. I expect he’ll make the team and we’ll go with 3 QBs again.
- Michel - agree with you here, but I doubt he’ll be traded. Just that he’ll need a good season and a cheap contract to be re-signed. Pats like having 4 RBs, for now Stevenson replaces Burkhead.
- Newton - The obvious one here. He plays poorly in camp and Jones picks things up quickly, he’s benched.
- Winovich - Perkins directly takes snaps from him unless he steps up. Doubly so based on the rumors that came out after the season.

I think Bentley was already on the hot seat with the McMillan signing, but the McGrone pick doesn’t help his cause either. Silver lining for him is McGrone’s health.

Please spare me any more of Bentley. Also I could get by without any more Deatrich Wise.

 

[jah]

Based on numbers alone we have a ****load of 2-6 technique DLs.

I see us at the most keeping 6.

Montravius Adams
Henry Anderson
Christian Barmore
Byron Cowart
Carl Davis
Davon Godchaux
Lawrence Guy
Bill Murray
Akeem Spence
Nick Thurman

Anderson, Barmore, Godchaux, Guy, and probably Cowart. Could see Spence or Davis grabbing the Cowart spot though.