2021 NFL Free Agency/Trade News & Discussion: March Edition

[Deus Irae]

 

[Love The Drake]

Arrington, McCourty, Moulden, Sergio Brown, and post-injury Bodden (briefly) were the CBs that next season (2011).

I remember gronk throwing Sergio brown out of the club later on, Molden and Leigh Bodden eww.
I still remember the joke.
Belichick is going to be so mad when he realized it’s not Anquan Boldin

 

[upstater1]

I didn't prove your point. I showed your point to be complete nonsense.

And Tate didn't have 142 receptions. He had 71. He had a career total of 142 rushing yards. You seem to have confused those two items.

Well, you're right I misread it, but my god we're talking about a difference of 40 receptions. I see them both as failing. I never counted Tate as a successful pick. I made the exact opposite suggestion. And I can't see how Wheaton is considered a success. He was not one of the main Steelers on those teams, and was at best a 4th option. He was indeed replaced by Martavis Bryant who was a year younger than him. And that says it all.

 

[upstater1]

Butler hurt because we gave up on him so fast for some reason. There had to to be something Bill didn’t like. He had himself a decent career.

He played a little like Asante Samuel. He had quite a few INTs but got burned a lot.

 

[gobesmug]

Well, you're right I misread it, but my god we're talking about a difference of 40 receptions. I see them both as failing. I never counted Tate as a successful pick. I made the exact opposite suggestion. And I can't see how Wheaton is considered a success. He was not one of the main Steelers on those teams, and was at best a 4th option. He was indeed replaced by Martavis Bryant who was a year younger than him. And that says it all.

So do you view Malcom Mitchell as a failed pick?

 

[captain stone]

Here's a list of still-UFAs who might be worthy of closer looks (bolded = High Priority):

WR - Kenny Stills; Damiere Byrd; Isaiah Ford (I want something for that 6th-rounder!);
Amara Darboh (had him here a couple of years ago but wasn't healthy)

WR/RB - Cordarrelle Patterson

RB - James Conner; D'Onta Foreman

TE - Jesse James; Virgil Green

OL - RG/RT Jermaine Elmanure; LG/LT Joe Dahl (if his back is ok); LT Roderick Johnson (still just 25); LG/C Forrest Lamp;
LG/RG/RT Tom Compton; RG/LG Danny Isadora; C Russell Bodine (I want something for that other 6th-rounder too!)
and OG Trai Turner, who's probably looking for starter money anyway...

DT - DaQuan Jones; Jurell Casey; Jaleel Johnson; Kawann Short if his shoulders are healed

DE - JD Clowney; Justin Houston; Everson Griffen; Ryan Kerrigan

LB - KJ Wright; Eric Wilson; Avery Williamson; Shaquem Griffin;

CB - Steven Nelson; Brian Poole; AJ Bouye if he's off the juice; Gareon Conley if his ankle's healed; JMac

S - Malik Hooker; Duron Harmon; Will Parks; Sean Davis

 

[captain stone]

RIP to Brace, sad to see a fellow Western Mass native go so early. Not a good player though.

Yeah you're right...He & BJ Raji were one of the best DT pairs in college football in 2008...I have a friend in Worcester whose cousin attended Burncoat HS when he did...RIP...

 

[Ross12]

Here's a list of still-UFAs who might be worthy of closer looks:

WR - Kenny Stills; Damiere Byrd; Isaiah Ford (I want something for that 6th-rounder!); Amara Darboh (had him here a couple of years ago but wasn't healthy)

WR/RB - Cordarrelle Patterson

RB - James Conner; D'Onta Foreman

TE - Jesse James; Virgil Green

OL - RG/RT Jermaine Elmanure; LG/LT Joe Dahl; LT Roderick Johnson (still just 25); LG/C Forrest Lamp; LG/RG/RT Tom Compton; RG/LG Danny Isadora; C Russell Bodine (I want something for that other 6th-rounder too!) and OG Trai Turner, who's probably looking for starter money...

DT - DaQuan Jones; Jurell Casey; Jaleel Johnson; Kawann Short if his shoulders are healed

DE - JD Clowney; Justin Houston; Everson Griffen; Ryan Kerrigan

LB - KJ Wright; Eric Wilson; Avery Williamson; Shaquem Griffin;

CB - Steven Nelson; Brian Poole; AJ Bouye if he's off the juice; Gareon Conley if his ankle's healed; JMac

S - Malik Hooker; Duron Harmon; Will Parks; Sean Davis

Shoot, I forgot Conner was still out there. I wonder if they'll eventually bring Harmon back too, FS depth seems a little thin until we see what Mills has got.

 

[Patriot Missile]

So, so many others hurt worse than Darius Butler...Bill gave up on him too quickly...
Now if you want to talk stupid 2009 2nd-round picks, then we're talking Ron Brace (RIP)...

If it makes you feel any better I almost threw my controller through the wall when that pick happened at pick 40.

Following year Bill crushes it with Gronk. Next pick Jermaine Cunningham over Carlos Dunlap. I was stunned to say the least. I couldn’t believe he was there and they take the stooge instead.

I don’t get too mad about BB and his picks like yourself and others, but that one bothered me for a long time. Was a big fan of Dunlap in college.

 

[upstater1]

So do you view Malcom Mitchell as a failed pick?

I think he had a much better rookie season (32 to 6) and he had a fantastic playoffs, better than anything Wheaton ever did in the playoffs in his entire career, and he was picked in the 4th a whole round later, so he showed more promise than Wheaton ever did, but of course it's a failed pick when someone only gives you one year.

Now, that doesn't mean the scouts erred in their assessment but it just means the pick has failed, the way the Robert Edwards, Andy Katzenmoyer, Dominique Easley picks failed. All of these gave us little return for assets.

But as for the one year he played, yes he was a better WR than Wheaton even though he was drafted a round later.

 

[gobesmug]

I think he had a much better rookie season (32 to 6) and he had a fantastic playoffs, better than anything Wheaton ever did in the playoffs in his entire career, and he was picked in the 4th a whole round later, so he showed more promise than Wheaton ever did, but of course it's a failed pick when someone only gives you one year.

Now, that doesn't mean the scouts erred in their assessment but it just means the pick has failed, the way the Robert Edwards, Andy Katzenmoyer, Dominique Easley picks failed. All of these gave us little return for assets.

But as for the one year he played, yes he was a better WR than Wheaton even though he was drafted a round later.

3rd round or 4th round isn't much if difference.

I agree that Malcolm looked like a better Wr, because Malcolm looked like he could have been a good #2.

I disagree that because a player gets hurt it and that ends their career that they were bad pick. Injuries are luck, you can't predict them.

Malcolm was worth it, he contributed to 28-3.

Edwards was looking like a stud. Worth the pick, just sucks he got hurt.

Wheaton looked liked a decent player who could contribute. That's good value for a 3Rd rd pick.

Put it this way. Wheaton in his 3rd season had 749 yards with 5 TDs. Edelman for his first 4 years combined had 700 yards for 4 TDs.

The Steelers got a lot more out of Wheaton on his rookie contract than the Pats did on Edelman.

That's far from a bust like when the pats took Taylor Price in the 3rd who had 3 catches his entire time in NE and 5 career catches total. Or Josh Boyce in the 4th Rd who never saw the field.

See the difference? Wheaton actually played and contributed for 3 years until getting hurt his 4th year. That's good value for a 3rd round pick.

 

[upstater1]

3rd round or 4th round isn't much if difference.

I agree that Malcolm looked like a better Wr, because Malcolm looked like he could have been a good #2.

I disagree that because a player gets hurt it and that ends their career that they were bad pick. Injuries are luck, you can't predict them.

Malcolm was worth it, he contributed to 28-3.

Edwards was looking like a stud. Worth the pick, just sucks he got hurt.

Wheaton looked liked a decent player who could contribute. That's good value for a 3Rd rd pick.

Put it this way. Wheaton in his 3rd season had 749 yards with 5 TDs. Edelman for his first 4 years combined had 700 yards for 4 TDs.

The Steelers got a lot more out of Wheaton on his rookie contract than the Pats did on Edelman.

That's far from a bust like when the pats took Taylor Price in the 3rd who had 3 catches his entire time in NE and 5 career catches total. Or Josh Boyce in the 4th Rd who never saw the field.

See the difference? Wheaton actually played and contributed for 3 years until getting hurt his 4th year. That's good value for a 3rd round pick.

If Wheaton was a good pick, we have to recalculate everything above. Plenty of posters like myself counted him as a failure, not only me. I definitely agree with them.

And actually, I take back what I said about Mitchell. Without him we don't win the Super Bowl. That right there validates everything he did or didn't do subsequently.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Yeah you're right...He & BJ Raji were one of the best DT pairs in college football in 2008...I have a friend in Worcester whose cousin attended Burncoat HS when he did...RIP...

Maybe that heart condition was the problem. Overall, not bad for the 2nd round/2009

Chung
Brace
Butler
Seebass

2009 was a miserable draft. Aaron Curry was can't miss.

 

[DW Toys]

Here's a list of still-UFAs who might be worthy of closer looks:

WR - Kenny Stills; Damiere Byrd; Isaiah Ford (I want something for that 6th-rounder!); Amara Darboh (had him here a couple of years ago but wasn't healthy)

WR/RB - Cordarrelle Patterson

RB - James Conner; D'Onta Foreman

TE - Jesse James; Virgil Green

OL - RG/RT Jermaine Elmanure; LG/LT Joe Dahl; LT Roderick Johnson (still just 25); LG/C Forrest Lamp; LG/RG/RT Tom Compton; RG/LG Danny Isadora; C Russell Bodine (I want something for that other 6th-rounder too!) and OG Trai Turner, who's probably looking for starter money...

DT - DaQuan Jones; Jurell Casey; Jaleel Johnson; Kawann Short if his shoulders are healed

DE - JD Clowney; Justin Houston; Everson Griffen; Ryan Kerrigan

LB - KJ Wright; Eric Wilson; Avery Williamson; Shaquem Griffin;

CB - Steven Nelson; Brian Poole; AJ Bouye if he's off the juice; Gareon Conley if his ankle's healed; JMac

S - Malik Hooker; Duron Harmon; Will Parks; Sean Davis

Cousin, Kerrigan is the perfect Patriot. He is a 6-8 per year sacks guy, sets the edge, can drop a little and BB can use him in the middle on 3rd downs at 265lbs. He is on the field missing only 4 games in 10 years. He averages 14.7 QB hits per year and last year sat behind Chase Young (I get it) and still has 5.5 sacks. He averages 45 tackles per year when starting. Lunch pail guy. He can line up at DE or OLB.
This is a Seau move. He is a Pro's Pro at 32 (Guy at 31, McCourty at 33, Edelman at 34...Bill uses veterans well),Uche and Winny are good players but setting the edge is not their forte.
Judon has similar stats and missed the same anount of games in 5 years. No question he is a talent, but why not double down? Kerrigan is better than Wise, but they can all contribute. Bill signed Wise because he sees a progression. I think Kerrigan can be had reasonably. Bill has mentioned him in the past.
DW Toys

P.S. Love to have Clowney but what is the cost? He's only 28 but seems to be around forever.

 

[Sicilian]

Here's a list of still-UFAs who might be worthy of closer looks:

WR - Kenny Stills; Damiere Byrd; Isaiah Ford (I want something for that 6th-rounder!); Amara Darboh (had him here a couple of years ago but wasn't healthy)

WR/RB - Cordarrelle Patterson

RB - James Conner; D'Onta Foreman

TE - Jesse James; Virgil Green

OL - RG/RT Jermaine Elmanure; LG/LT Joe Dahl; LT Roderick Johnson (still just 25); LG/C Forrest Lamp; LG/RG/RT Tom Compton; RG/LG Danny Isadora; C Russell Bodine (I want something for that other 6th-rounder too!) and OG Trai Turner, who's probably looking for starter money...

DT - DaQuan Jones; Jurell Casey; Jaleel Johnson; Kawann Short if his shoulders are healed

DE - JD Clowney; Justin Houston; Everson Griffen; Ryan Kerrigan

LB - KJ Wright; Eric Wilson; Avery Williamson; Shaquem Griffin;

CB - Steven Nelson; Brian Poole; AJ Bouye if he's off the juice; Gareon Conley if his ankle's healed; JMac

S - Malik Hooker; Duron Harmon; Will Parks; Sean Davis

Good summary! I would actually really like to bring back Patterson. Guy who can be a reserve/gadget WR, an emergency RB, and is still a dynamic KR. Gunner can return punts, but we had NO threat at KR last year (and to be fair, nowadays, almost no one does). With an offense that is going to be run/TE heavy with what's likely to be an inconsistent QB, you want to minimize the number of plays that said QB has to execute to score. Getting good starting field position off of kick returns is one way to do that.

 

[mgteich]

Good summary! I would actually really like to bring back Patterson. Guy who can be a reserve/gadget WR, an emergency RB, and is still a dynamic KR. Gunner can return punts, but we had NO threat at KR last year (and to be fair, nowadays, almost no one does). With an offense that is going to be run/TE heavy with what's likely to be an inconsistent QB, you want to minimize the number of plays that said QB has to execute to score. Getting good starting field position off of kick returns is one way to do that.

we are NOT going to use one WR spot an a KR and another on a PR.

 

[Sicilian]

we are NOT going to use one WR spot an a KR and another on a PR.

No, not if that's all they do. But Gunner also plays roles in other ST units, and I think (but can't remember for sure) but I thought Patterson did as well. If not, he's still viable as a 4th/5th WR and emergency RB. Neither of them are just returners.

 

[Patsgofor4]

If it makes you feel any better I almost threw my controller through the wall when that pick happened at pick 40.

Following year Bill crushes it with Gronk. Next pick Jermaine Cunningham over Carlos Dunlap. I was stunned to say the least. I couldn’t believe he was there and they take the stooge instead.

I don’t get too mad about BB and his picks like yourself and others, but that one bothered me for a long time. Was a big fan of Dunlap in college.

There were character concerns about Dunlap and Bill was certainly not going to take a chance on a draft pick with a questionable background....oh, wait, never mind.

PS. Killed it with McCourty at 27 as well.

 

[luuked]

If Pittsburgh trades up and snakes waddle out from under bb’s nose, bb must not be allowed to be in charge of the draft anymore!

I'd be happy with trading down (or forward into next year) if no trenches or defensive difference makers are available.

Drafting WR after this FA period seems like a terrible use of resources and only brings diminishing returns.

 

[mgteich]

No, not if that's all they do. But Gunner also plays roles in other ST units, and I think (but can't remember for sure) but I thought Patterson did as well. If not, he's still viable as a 4th/5th WR and emergency RB. Neither of them are just returners.

Patterson would replace Taylor. Some would dump Bolden or our FB.

Perhaps we could have yet another player who is on the squad for his ST play. However, I don't see him being the #4 WR. I don't see us carrying 5, given that we have 3 TE's.