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[captain stone]

34 seconds into the clip Wynn at lg is the reason for the interception. He played left guard to start the game and it wasn't great. Eventually he is moved to left tackle and Owenu is at left guard. Rewatch this week 6 game against the Broncos and you will start to question if that lineup is best.

You're right, I had forgotten that Andrews missed this game also and that Wynn started at LG...In my defense, I watched this game at the bar so I didn't hear any of the play-by-play and couldn't DVR it...Besides sucking at LG that game, Wynn sucked at LT as well (as did Herron, at Both Tackle spots)... Still don't feel that Onwenu's best position here is at LG.

 

[captain stone]

That makes me question Wynn more than the proposed lineup. LOL.

Yep, Wynn was Awful that day no matter what position he played.

 

[captain stone]

Yea he actually played really well there.

Right now I've yet to see a solid or logical argument to move Wynn inside. We'll see but Bill does.

Because Trent Brown played LT in 2018 better than Wynn has Ever played it here...?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Because Trent Brown played LT in 2018 better than Wynn has Ever played it here...?

Its like talking to a brick wall. He will start ad hominem because only he can be the "expert".

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Isaiah Wynn might not be the durable left tackle Patriots were hoping for

New England Patriots offensive lineman Isaiah Wynn might not be the durable left tackle the franchise was hoping for when it drafted him.

musketfire.com

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Because Trent Brown played LT in 2018 better than Wynn has Ever played it here...?

Then you move him to RT but I'd absolutely let them battle for that spot. Loser moves to RT. I have np with that. People are making too big a deal about Wynn's injury when you're bringing in a guy who's started 16 games twice in 6 years and Onwenu. Onwenu was actually better at guard. Again moving Wynn inside makes 0 sense. Still haven't heard a legit argument for it.

Do people really think Onwenu was better than Wynn at tackle last year lol? He was really good but again people are getting carried away. Either way he'll absolutely get reps there too bc of his versatility and the fact that both tackles have missed time.

 

[captain stone]

Then you move him to RT but I'd absolutely let them battle for that spot. Loser moves to RT. I have np with that. People are making too big a deal about Wynn's injury when you're bringing in a guy who's started 16 games twice in 6 years and Onwenu. Onwenu was actually better at guard. Again moving Wynn inside makes 0 sense. Still haven't heard a legit argument for it.

Do people really think Onwenu was better than Wynn at tackle last year lol? He was really good but again people are getting carried away. Either way he'll absolutely get reps there too bc of his versatility and the fact that both tackles have missed time.

Isaiah Wynn is NOT a RT. Period.

And you have indeed heard a legit argument for moving him inside.

And Yes, Onwenu played RT last year better than Wynn played LT last year.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If we put brown at left tackle and keep mason at right guard and onwenu at right tackle, we need a center and left guard. (Wynn, Cunningham and Herron become backup tackles/guards)

I think d brown of Alabama could start from day 1 for us at left guard and I like the center from Kentucky late in the draft as a run blocking masher, but would bb start two rookies on the offensive line?

 

[TheRainMaker]

My lineup:

LT: Wynn as he has better footwork for speed rushers.
LG: Owenu (because where else can you put him? Prefer to keep Thuney
C: If no Thuney at LG, how about signing Linsley?
RG: @captain stone's favorite G Shaq Mason
RT: Brown (where he started his career)

 

[mgteich]

My lineup:

LT: Wynn as he has better footwork for speed rushers.
LG: Owenu (because where else can you put him? Prefer to keep Thuney
C: If no Thuney at LG, how about signing Linsley?
RG: @captain stone's favorite G Shaq Mason
RT: Brown (where he started his career)

For now, we have
Wynn, Onwenu, veteran signing (and a rookie), Mason, Brown
with Cannon there until camp.
I could even see Belichick having Cannon be an expensive backup.

 

[venecol]

My lineup:

LT: Wynn as he has better footwork for speed rushers.
LG: Owenu (because where else can you put him? Prefer to keep Thuney
C: If no Thuney at LG, how about signing Linsley?
RG: @captain stone's favorite G Shaq Mason
RT: Brown (where he started his career)

Linsley is the top graded C in the league. He's going to cost $11-12M/yr but we don't want to pay Andrews $7? You'll get a marked improvement but at what cost?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

If we put brown at left tackle and keep mason at right guard and onwenu at right tackle, we need a center and left guard. (Wynn, Cunningham and Herron become backup tackles/guards)

I think d brown of Alabama could start from day 1 for us at left guard and I like the center from Kentucky late in the draft as a run blocking masher, but would bb start two rookies on the offensive line?

Wynn then moves to LG where he played at Georgia.

Brown - Wynn - (tbd) - Mason - Onwenu.

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[long distance]

And Yes, Onwenu played RT last year better than Wynn played LT last year.

Because Trent Brown played LT in 2018 better than Wynn has Ever played it here...?

I see the insanity in this thread is still alive and well

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Wynn then moves to LG where he played at Georgia.

Brown - Wynn - (tbd) - Mason - Onwenu.

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And how long does Wynn last at guard before he breaks down again with all those monster defensive tackles pounding on him for 70 snaps per game.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

And how long does Wynn last at guard before he breaks down again with all those monster defensive tackles pounding on him for 70 snaps per game.

Wynn is 6'2 and undersized at tackle. The shorter guys play inside and Wynn was a great LG at Georgia. Maybe his legs aren't durable for tackle, he has only played 16 of 48 nfl games and it wasn't 1 but 5 different injuries.

 

[catent]

Wynn is 6'2 and undersized at tackle. The shorter guys play inside and Wynn was a great LG at Georgia. Maybe his legs aren't durable for tackle, he has only played 16 of 48 nfl games and it wasn't 1 but 5 different injuries.

Joe Thuney is a stellar G at 6’5” and Matt Light was a stellar T at 6’4”.

Height is just a number; you can’t say stuff like “the short guys play inside” without actually providing the ‘why’. Arm length, foot-work, reach, etc.

There are a lot of reasons Wynn makes a great T, and I’d be shocked if kicking him inside would somehow have prevented his bad luck with injuries. Maybe? Seems unlikely.

You have to evaluate technique and other variables - just arbitrarily throwing out height and “short guys play inside” is meaningless.

Here are the exact height measurements from the combine:

Wynn: 74.75 inches
Onwenu: 74.63 inches

So based on combine results, at least according to what I've found, Onwenu is actually shorter than Wynn. Based on this do you have any rationale related to technique and other variables besides height, as for why Wynn should play G and Onwenu should play T? Because going by your "short guys play inside" principle, your suggested starting lineup seems wrong.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Joe Thuney is a stellar G at 6’5” and Matt Light was a stellar T at 6’4”.

Height is just a number; you can’t say stuff like “the short guys play inside” without actually providing the ‘why’. Arm length, foot-work, reach, etc.

There are a lot of reasons Wynn makes a great T, and I’d be shocked if kicking him inside would somehow have prevented his bad luck with injuries. Maybe? Seems unlikely.

Onwenu, the guy you’re clamoring to play T, is 1 single inch taller than Wynn at 6’3”.

You have to evaluate technique and other variables - just arbitrarily throwing out height and “short guys play inside” is meaningless.

I agree height shouldn't determine a player. I hate nfl combine obsession. But Wynn is extremely injury prone. It's a massive problem. You can't build an OLine around a guy who misses 70% of his games.

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[catent]

I agree height shouldn't determine a player. I hate nfl combine obsession. But Wynn is extremely injury prone. It's a massive problem. You can't build an OLine around a guy who misses 70% of his games.

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Fair enough. Would moving him to G prevent his injuries?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Fair enough. Would moving him to G prevent his injuries?

no, he would be an under sized guard and probably get more injured. nfl defensive tackles are bigger and stronger than nfl defensive ends or college defensive tackles.

the beauty of Wynn is how well he handles ends in both the running and passing game.

the problem with Wynn is he bruises easily!

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Isaiah Wynn is NOT a RT. Period.

He can play guard but can't switch sides at tackle? This makes little sense. Almost as little as ...

And you have indeed heard a legit argument for moving him inside.

I still haven't heard an argument as to why he should be moved to guard? Please articulate it?

And Yes, Onwenu played RT last year better than Wynn played LT last year.

And no Onwenu wasn't better lol. Again there's no insight or actual argument here. Let me guess ... PFF lol?

Wynn displayed much better footwork, hand usage & better against competition. Let me know when Onwenu is stoning Bud Dupree & dancing with Frank Clark. People are just going overboard. Onwenu played great but this stuff sounds casual as hell. About as casual as moving Wynn inside bc he played G in college & has been hurt. Is switching positions going to prevent injuries?

He's played tackle at a very high level and displays some great traits for the position. Would you want to move Becton inside bc he missed time?