Player Signing Trent Brown trade to Pats

[Ring 6]

If we have another season of Cam, at least Brown will force his arm to be a bit higher in his throwing motion. Can't throw those dirt ducks if you have a literal mountain in front of you.

Newton would just bounce it off browns helmet.

 

[Rob0729]

If we have another season of Cam, at least Brown will force his arm to be a bit higher in his throwing motion. Can't throw those dirt ducks if you have a literal mountain in front of you.

So a season of Manning in his final year ducks from Cam? You know the high floaters that take like ten minutes to float down field and then land ten feet in front of the intended receiver?

 

[patfanken]

???

TE
LB
WR

Pitts would be the ONLY TE that would be worth the pick and I think he goes 10 spots higher.
So
At LB there will be 2 or 3 guys worth looking at. I've seen a lot of mocks that have us taking the Penn St. kid, and I'd be OK with that.

WR is an enigma for me. Sorry but I just don't see the value picking a WR that high. According to everything I've read is that there will be good WR prospects available all through the first 3 rounds. It it clear we need a WR, but I'd rather make that pick in either round 2 or 3.

The problem EVERY team is going to have evaluating players this off season is Covid. No Combine. Several great prospects that didn't play last season or played limited amounts of time. A lot of good prospects that have only one great year in college. So there will be a lot of mistakes that will be made in this draft BUT there will be a lot of bargains that will slip down to some lucky teams. We just have to hope we are among the "lucky"

Bottom line, I think Bill loads up on solid middle of the road FA's that will rebuild our depth. Maybe there will be a WR who might be rated in the top 10 FA WR's, but I think our WR additions will be more the Golden Tate type than the JJ Shuster kind. Use FA to build up the DL and LB's Improve the WR and TE group with some midlevel guys (not Hunter Henry) and hope Assiasi becomes what they hoped he'd be and grab 2 Golden Tates of the world. I would guess Jared Cook could be available for a reasonable price in May.

In this respect I think Bill has hit on the best way to attract a FA QB (and one I hadn't thought of before this trade) Show that FA a great OL and a potentially great running game. That along with perceived improved receiver talent, SHOULD be a better way to attract a "solid" veteran QB. Right now I'm thinking Fitz or Minchew.

In the draft, my best hope is that maybe a guy like Lance or Mond slips into the mid to low 20's and bill moves up to grab him and sits him for a year. But that is mostly fantasy dreaming. Most likely I don't see the Pats drafting a QB in the top 4 rounds

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If we have another season of Cam, at least Brown will force his arm to be a bit higher in his throwing motion. Can't throw those dirt ducks if you have a literal mountain in front of you.

I beg to differ. Cam will figure out how to do it.

 

[Ring 6]

Spotrac has Andrews @ $7.1M AAS and Thuney @ $15.3M, so more than double.
PFF/OTC has Andrews @ $6M AAS and Thuney @ $14.3M, so more than double.
Many here wouldn't sign Andrews @ $5M AAS & Thuney @ $11M, so more than double.

I think it will be a bigger gap than that. I think fans here overrate Andrews by a lot. Thuney may get the largest non tag G contract in the league.

 

[Vindicate]

So a season of Manning in his final year ducks from Cam? You know the high floaters that take like ten minutes to float down field and then land ten feet in front of the intended receiver?

At least at that point, I'd have time to hold my breath and enjoy some suspense lmao.


(to be frank, I like Newton - I can concede that he is probably cooked at this point, or that I'm at least very skeptical that he can pull it together - but I do like him)

 

[Ring 6]

Pitts would be the ONLY TE that would be worth the pick and I think he goes 10 spots higher.
So
At LB there will be 2 or 3 guys worth looking at. I've seen a lot of mocks that have us taking the Penn St. kid, and I'd be OK with that.

WR is an enigma for me. Sorry but I just don't see the value picking a WR that high. According to everything I've read is that there will be good WR prospects available all through the first 3 rounds. It it clear we need a WR, but I'd rather make that pick in either round 2 or 3.

The problem EVERY team is going to have evaluating players this off season is Covid. No Combine. Several great prospects that didn't play last season or played limited amounts of time. A lot of good prospects that have only one great year in college. So there will be a lot of mistakes that will be made in this draft BUT there will be a lot of bargains that will slip down to some lucky teams. We just have to hope we are among the "lucky"

Bottom line, I think Bill loads up on solid middle of the road FA's that will rebuild our depth. Maybe there will be a WR who might be rated in the top 10 FA WR's, but I think our WR additions will be more the Golden Tate type than the JJ Shuster kind. Use FA to build up the DL and LB's Improve the WR and TE group with some midlevel guys (not Hunter Henry) and hope Assiasi becomes what they hoped he'd be and grab 2 Golden Tates of the world. I would guess Jared Cook could be available for a reasonable price in May.

In this respect I think Bill has hit on the best way to attract a FA QB (and one I hadn't thought of before this trade) Show that FA a great OL and a potentially great running game. That along with perceived improved receiver talent, SHOULD be a better way to attract a "solid" veteran QB. Right now I'm thinking Fitz or Minchew.

In the draft, my best hope is that maybe a guy like Lance or Mond slips into the mid to low 20's and bill moves up to grab him and sits him for a year. But that is mostly fantasy dreaming. Most likely I don't see the Pats drafting a QB in the top 4 rounds

I think you have to both sign/trade for the best qb you can find and also draft one in round 1.
I also don’t think you have to worry about “attracting” a guy who shouldn’t be a starter with weapons because the job opportunity itself is plenty. But i gave no interest in those guys anyway.

 

[Ring 6]

I beg to differ. Cam will figure out how to do it.

He was fine at throwing the ball directly at the eye level of a free rusher coming at him, so this won’t even take practice.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If we can draft d brown of Alabama and s brown of northern Iowa, we could have a starting offensive line of:

LT - t brown 6’8” 370
LG - d brown 6’3” 350
C - s mason 6’1” 330
RG - M Onsewu 6’3” 360
RT - s brown 6’9” 330

that is about 1,800 pounds of linemen.

 

[Ring 6]

At least at that point, I'd have time to hold my breath and enjoy some suspense lmao.


(to be frank, I like Newton - I can concede that he is probably cooked at this point, or that I'm at least very skeptical that he can pull it together - but I do like him)

I like Will Ferrell but I wouldn’t want him to be the patriots QB any less than newton.

 

[Ring 6]

If we can draft d brown of Alabama and s brown of northern Iowa, we could have a starting offensive line of:

LT - t brown 6’8” 370
LG - d brown 6’3” 350
C - s mason 6’1” 330
RG - M Onsewu 6’3” 360
RT - s brown 6’9” 330

that is about 1,800 pounds of linemen.

Then they could jump up and down and it would be like that electric football game we played as kids.

 

[patfanken]

Spotrac has Andrews @ $7.1M AAS and Thuney @ $15.3M, so more than double.
PFF/OTC has Andrews @ $6M AAS and Thuney @ $14.3M, so more than double.
Many here wouldn't sign Andrews @ $5M AAS & Thuney @ $11M, so more than double.

Thanks, That gives me some perspective, and if those numbers hold, then I would keep Andrews because the drop off in play doesn't equal the cap costs to keep Thuney. Though I think Andrews will be looking to get close to !0MM in his new deal

 

[Patriot Missile]

I like Wynn moving to left guard and putting Brown at LT.

 

[long distance]

I still haven't heard an answer to my earlier question as to how much more it would cost to keep Thuney long term to play C, vs signing Andrews long term????

Assuming Thuney would be willing to be the Pats long term C, I think he'd end up being the best choice. BTW- having a great C is critically important especially in the run game. Being able to get to and effectively block at the 2nd level is a rare skill. Andrews is good at it and our run game suffered greatly when he missed the 2019 season. I think Thuney would be even better as well as being able to hold up better if a team decides to put a big NT over him to bully him.

So I ask again, what would the Pats likely to be paying Andrews per year, vs what would they likely have to pay Thuney (again assuming he;d want to stay and change positions, at which point this whole post becomes moot. The thing is that the ONLY way I can see Thuney staying is if he is willing to take top money to play C here. If he want only to stay at LG, then he is gone.

Thanks for bringing some sense here. Like @BaconGrundleCandy is still waiting for somebody to SHOW why Wynn is not Pats LT going forward, i am still waiting for someone to SHOW how Thuney is better center for NE than Andrews.

When Gronk was asked in 2019 after Pats O struggles who is Brady missing the most he only mentioned one name: Andrews. Just bc he is not physically dominating he gets uneducated trash. When he's gone in FA together with Thuney the tune will change

Ok, besides intangibles that are huge with Andrews for Pats acc. to all relevant sources (Tom, Gronk, OL etc), his play is also getting very good to outstanding tangible grades. He is easily outplaying highest paid center (Kelly, 28, IND) over last 3 seasons he played. Looking at PFF grading, fwiw, of 8 centers getting over 10M apy nobody has outgraded Andrews over last 4 seasons. His consistency since he entered the league is insane (as is Thuney at G btw).

Brad Spielberger (formerly of OTC) projected him re-signing with Pats 3y/18M, Spotrac 3y/21M, @Miguel 3y/22.5M.
His current contract w NE was considered “horrible“ and often cited among most valuable contracts in the league.

Thuney is projected to get about double. As you mentioned it is also important how he wants to market himself going forward (viewing next FA as well) since he has now some freedom to do so. Im sure his agent will be selling he can play T more than the C argument

 

[Jim Beankie]

Newton would just bounce it off browns helmet.

I was thinking he'd finally get a ball to a Pats player right between the numbers: 7 and 7.

 

[Uptown]

If we can draft d brown of Alabama and s brown of northern Iowa, we could have a starting offensive line of:

LT - t brown 6’8” 370
LG - d brown 6’3” 350
C - s mason 6’1” 330
RG - M Onsewu 6’3” 360
RT - s brown 6’9” 330

that is about 1,800 pounds of linemen.

Wow. Although, Mason is roughly 310-311 lbs.

 

[skinnydog]

Pitts would be the ONLY TE that would be worth the pick and I think he goes 10 spots higher.
So
At LB there will be 2 or 3 guys worth looking at. I've seen a lot of mocks that have us taking the Penn St. kid, and I'd be OK with that.

WR is an enigma for me. Sorry but I just don't see the value picking a WR that high. According to everything I've read is that there will be good WR prospects available all through the first 3 rounds. It it clear we need a WR, but I'd rather make that pick in either round 2 or 3.

The problem EVERY team is going to have evaluating players this off season is Covid. No Combine. Several great prospects that didn't play last season or played limited amounts of time. A lot of good prospects that have only one great year in college. So there will be a lot of mistakes that will be made in this draft BUT there will be a lot of bargains that will slip down to some lucky teams. We just have to hope we are among the "lucky"

Bottom line, I think Bill loads up on solid middle of the road FA's that will rebuild our depth. Maybe there will be a WR who might be rated in the top 10 FA WR's, but I think our WR additions will be more the Golden Tate type than the JJ Shuster kind. Use FA to build up the DL and LB's Improve the WR and TE group with some midlevel guys (not Hunter Henry) and hope Assiasi becomes what they hoped he'd be and grab 2 Golden Tates of the world. I would guess Jared Cook could be available for a reasonable price in May.

In this respect I think Bill has hit on the best way to attract a FA QB (and one I hadn't thought of before this trade) Show that FA a great OL and a potentially great running game. That along with perceived improved receiver talent, SHOULD be a better way to attract a "solid" veteran QB. Right now I'm thinking Fitz or Minchew.

In the draft, my best hope is that maybe a guy like Lance or Mond slips into the mid to low 20's and bill moves up to grab him and sits him for a year. But that is mostly fantasy dreaming. Most likely I don't see the Pats drafting a QB in the top 4 rounds

The problem with quality receivers available through round 3 is the Pats can’t to pick quality receivers on their own. Maybe they’ll hit on one at 15 that everyone agrees will be a top WR. Otherwise they should not even bother. Just sign a couple mid level WRs then and hope for the best.

 

[mgteich]

I don’t know who is playing where once the season starts. Training camp will sort that out. All I know is we have a bunch of good assets on the OLine. Now build up the Dline and the trenches will be solid. Building a team around the trenches is an old but good strategy

???
Are you assuming that we are re-signing Thuney, Andrews and Eluemunor? If not, thre is little competition unless we sign more OL's.

 

[mgteich]

Yep, this was a foregone conclusion last off season after they were "far apart" in negotiations. If Bill wanted him, a deal would've been done last off season where he would've been cheaper.

Also, Thuney won't want to play C as he'd get more money as a G.

???
If the patriots sign Thuney, he'll get the same money whether he plays OG or C. Are you suggesting that some in league want to offere him monye in order to play center?

 

[mgteich]

Thuney may get the largest non tag G contract in the league.

and well worth i
Well, I guess well worth it to a team other than the patriots