Interesting development on the Jimmy G front

[Love The Drake]

From the horses mouth. Payback will be sweet for Lynch.

I’ve seen this in the past I don’t believe it
He called and the situation was Lynch asked about Jimmy BB said no.
Then John said what about Tom, Bill had a conversation with Kraft.
Kraft quickly shut it down, Bill seeing that he wouldn’t get to see Jimmy be Brady’s successor did what was best for his career and traded him to a franchise he respects and Put Jimmy in the best spot career wise.
Brady was furious cause this obviously came back to him.
Bill and Tom’s relationship was never the same.
Bill asked Lynch to keep this personal it got out Bill and John worked on a story to make it look like the Patriots had no intention on moving on from Tom.
That’s what multiple sources have speculated.
This makes the most sense since Tom and Bills relationship deteriorated from that point.

 

[Steve102]

From the horses mouth. Payback will be sweet for Lynch.

Which means the price will be higher as Lynch says "haha".

There might be something to the obfuscation and deception here. Bill certainly could create this Jimmy G story to distract from what he really has planned.

 

[Love The Drake]

Which means the price will be higher as Lynch says "haha".

There might be something to the obfuscation and deception here. Bill certainly could create this Jimmy G story to distract from what he really has planned.

What do you wager that could be?

 

[Steve102]

What do you wager that could be?

The one thing I have learned in my years of following this team is that you can't figure out what Bill is going to do. I seem to remember that we knew about Revis before it happened, maybe Moss too, but I am not sure. From my seat, Bill is going to bring in the most coachable guy for the most reasonable amount of money. A middle of the pack guy that won't take too many chances. High value, low mistakes. Someone who won't lose games for them. Who that is? No idea.

 

[DW Toys]

Gilmore for Jimmy G straight up still makes the most sense.
keep the draft pick plus Niners can sell Gilmore to their Franchise if Jimmy G plays like a stud in New England.
We have to have the QB position settled before day 3 of active free agency

Cousin Chris,
Working on a mug of coffee as I ponder this. I like the idea but I believe what Lynch is saying is we don't have a replacement in house for Jimmie G so yes he is our starting QB ................and there are none on the horizon I care to obtain.

There is a way if the chips fall right. I mentioned this before.

I believe the only Team that has the best return for Watson is Miami. We would hate that here but here goes:

Texans trade Watson to Miami in a way that Nick C. looks like a hero and not burned at the stake.

TRADE 1>Miami trades:

Tua
CB Xavian Howard
Pick #3
Pick#18
2022 first round pick

I don't think Nick C. wants Tua. If he's going to go for an inexperienced QB, being a new regime , he might as well get "his" guy. (actually Trey Lance seems like a large economy size Watson!)

TRADE 2 >Shanahan trades Jimmie G. for Tua (CAP savings and younger player that is more of a fit for him in SF). Shanahan has been looking for a upgrade at QB we all know, but can't leave the cupboard bare.

Assuming the Texans trade Watson and take a franchise QB at pick #3 (Zach Wilson or Trey Lance-Fields seems to be dropping . Dwayne Haskins did him no favors) , now the Texans still have CAP hell of only $16mm but they need to sign rookies. Two first rounders puts a dent in that.

TRADE 3> The Texans have no 2nd round pick. Now they could offer Jimmie G for our pick #46 and the world turns once more.......or....Shanahan just lost Sherman, Maybe he takes Gilmore for Jimmie G. but there has to be another step somewhere like Tua.

Thoughts?
DW Toys

 

[venecol]

I’ve seen this in the past I don’t believe it
He called and the situation was Lynch asked about Jimmy BB said no.
Then John said what about Tom, Bill had a conversation with Kraft.
Kraft quickly shut it down, Bill seeing that he wouldn’t get to see Jimmy be Brady’s successor did what was best for his career and traded him to a franchise he respects and Put Jimmy in the best spot career wise.
Brady was furious cause this obviously came back to him.
Bill and Tom’s relationship was never the same.
Bill asked Lynch to keep this personal it got out Bill and John worked on a story to make it look like the Patriots had no intention on moving on from Tom.
That’s what multiple sources have speculated.
This makes the most sense since Tom and Bills relationship deteriorated from that point.

Dude, these aren't sources, this is Lynch, the one guy that was actually on the phone with Bill saying Bill laughed it off (which is totally believable).

You go ahead and believe your "speculations from sources."

 

[venecol]

The one thing I have learned in my years of following this team is that you can't figure out what Bill is going to do. I seem to remember that we knew about Revis before it happened, maybe Moss too, but I am not sure. From my seat, Bill is going to bring in the most coachable guy for the most reasonable amount of money. A middle of the pack guy that won't take too many chances. High value, low mistakes. Someone who won't lose games for them. Who that is? No idea.

It was certainly a surprise last year when Bill signed Cam Newton. The problem I see with this continued search for value over talent is that when you are devoid of a franchise QB and a lot of talent in skill positions plus holes all around, it may not work like it did in the past.

 

[Steve102]

It was certainly a surprise last year when Bill signed Cam Newton. The problem I see with this continued search for value over talent is that when you are devoid of a franchise QB and a lot of talent in skill positions plus holes all around, it may not work like it did in the past.

I am convinced he thinks he can get them back to contending for Super Bowls with a middle of the road, game manager type who executes the game plan and takes few risks. A pre-2006 Brady. Obviously, the difference is that Brady became TFB when the pressure was greatest, even as early as 2001. Guys like that do not come around every draft or FA period. They don't come around ever. So he has to build a team that doesn't rely on the QB as strongly, and find a QB he can mold, while mitigating mistakes. Tough to do in a QB-centric league. We saw last year that a bottom of the barrel QB couldn't get it done and couldn't win games when counted on.

The franchise QB makes up for a lot of sins.

 

[Ross12]

I don't think Bill necessarily has a specific plan. I think he:

1. Hopes Garoppolo becomes available after SF and other teams make moves;
2. If not, then he will see who else is available - maybe a Darnold or a Bridgewater;
3. If the price is too high, he'll check on Minshew;
4. If none of the above, he'll re-sign Cam and try to draft a QB he likes around #15;
5. If that doesn't pan out, he'll target someone like Trask or Mills

Lots of layers to it. Doubt Bill is looking for an elite franchise QB - probably looking for either a younger guy who can be a game manager or rookie that he can build up while surrounding them with a great OL and a good defense. Hopefully some better receivers, too.

 

[Steve102]

I don't think Bill necessarily has a specific plan. I think he:

1. Hopes Garoppolo becomes available after SF and other teams make moves;
2. If not, then he will see who else is available - maybe a Darnold or a Bridgewater;
3. If the price is too high, he'll check on Minshew;
4. If none of the above, he'll re-sign Cam and try to draft a QB he likes around #15;
5. If that doesn't pan out, he'll target someone like Trask or Mills

Lots of layers to it. Doubt Bill is looking for an elite franchise QB - probably looking for either a younger guy who can be a game manager or rookie that he can build up while surrounding them with a great OL and a good defense. Hopefully some better receivers, too.

I think he has a flow chart that's probably like this.

 

[p8ryts]

I don't think Bill necessarily has a specific plan. I think he:

1. Hopes Garoppolo becomes available after SF and other teams make moves;
2. If not, then he will see who else is available - maybe a Darnold or a Bridgewater;
3. If the price is too high, he'll check on Minshew;
4. If none of the above, he'll re-sign Cam and try to draft a QB he likes around #15;
5. If that doesn't pan out, he'll target someone like Trask or Mills

Lots of layers to it. Doubt Bill is looking for an elite franchise QB - probably looking for either a younger guy who can be a game manager or rookie that he can build up while surrounding them with a great OL and a good defense. Hopefully some better receivers, too.

Agree with everything you said including sequence EXCEPT, I could not handle another year of Cam. I know, he's a nice guy, teammates like him, but I do not want to see him under center as a Patriots QB again. I would insert Stidham at #4.

 

[venecol]

I am convinced he thinks he can get them back to contending for Super Bowls with a middle of the road, game manager type who executes the game plan and takes few risks. A pre-2006 Brady. Obviously, the difference is that Brady became TFB when the pressure was greatest, even as early as 2001. Guys like that do not come around every draft or FA period. They don't come around ever. So he has to build a team that doesn't rely on the QB as strongly, and find a QB he can mold, while mitigating mistakes. Tough to do in a QB-centric league. We saw last year that a bottom of the barrel QB couldn't get it done and couldn't win games when counted on.

The franchise QB makes up for a lot of sins.

Those are all great points. I personally don't think the game manager type QB is going to work. It's been years since Bill had to worry about the QB performing a certain way. He obviously has no choice but to try it, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. We've just seen it so many times, when a good team losses their franchise QB, how long it takes for them to recover.

 

[Steve102]

Those are all great points. I personally don't think the game manager type QB is going to work. It's been years since Bill had to worry about the QB performing a certain way. He obviously has no choice but to try it, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. We've just seen it so many times, when a good team losses their franchise QB, how long it takes for them to recover.

I don't think you're wrong, when everyone else loses their QB, it's forever. The great equalizer is Bill. Can he coach up a Garoppolo/Mariota/Darnold/Minishew enough to get where they want to be, assuming he builds a formidable supporting cast and a top level/elite D? That's the rub, isn't it? I don't know if he can, but I do think he thinks he can.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't think you're wrong, when everyone else loses their QB, it's forever. The great equalizer is Bill. Can he coach up a Garoppolo/Mariota/Darnold/Minishew enough to get where they want to be, assuming he builds a formidable supporting cast and a top level/elite D? That's the rub, isn't it? I don't know if he can, but I do think he thinks he can.

He certainly can win games. We won 11 with cassell and 3-1 with Jimmy/Brissett. It's just the rest of the team needs to be competent too.

 

[venecol]

I don't think you're wrong, when everyone else loses their QB, it's forever. The great equalizer is Bill. Can he coach up a Garoppolo/Mariota/Darnold/Minishew enough to get where they want to be, assuming he builds a formidable supporting cast and a top level/elite D? That's the rub, isn't it? I don't know if he can, but I do think he thinks he can.

I agree. If this were a 2008 scenario with a stacked team minus just the QB it'd be one thing but team was trash last year. It'll certainly be exciting to see what Bill can pull out of his ass to make this work (paging @Dingleberry). Lol

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He certainly can win games. We won 11 with cassell and 3-1 with Jimmy/Brissett. It's just the rest of the team needs to be competent too.

Perfectly put. While we fret about being top 1/4 of the league at QB, his eye is on winning, and he's well aware of what even a serviceable QB adds to this team, if all else goes well. Yes, we have lots to spend. Yes, a top flight QB goes a long way. But I personally think that QB is as likely to be a boring move as a fan favorite. I think he's thinking QB is overvalued because spending on the sure thing at QB undermines the ability to surround him with the other pieces you'll need. I mean, everybody's got some version of the same problem... I just think he's willing to get by on something north of Cam but South of the big stars.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't think Bill necessarily has a specific plan. I think he:

1. Hopes Garoppolo becomes available after SF and other teams make moves;
2. If not, then he will see who else is available - maybe a Darnold or a Bridgewater;
3. If the price is too high, he'll check on Minshew;
4. If none of the above, he'll re-sign Cam and try to draft a QB he likes around #15;
5. If that doesn't pan out, he'll target someone like Trask or Mills

Lots of layers to it. Doubt Bill is looking for an elite franchise QB - probably looking for either a younger guy who can be a game manager or rookie that he can build up while surrounding them with a great OL and a good defense. Hopefully some better receivers, too.

I agree that it is fluid, but BB would have made calls to see if there is a chance and at what level. No reason to have a flow chart with Minshew on it if Jacks says it takes a 2nd rounder to pry him away. Maybe that can be negotiated to a 3rd, but again everything has to have a "ballpark" value for the flow chart to work. I doubt that he will resign Cam because of Cam's 2020 performance and the praise BB heaped on Cam - when BB starts praising a guy on his team that usually means their days are numbered. He is scouting and targeting a QB in the draft even #1 to #3 works out. Then BB leans back and waits.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Bill is putting all his eggs in the basket for jimmy g. Basically he has a crush on the guy. He better have some backup plan if he can’t play 16 games.

 

[Deus Irae]

He certainly can win games. We won 11 with cassell

It's amazing that people are still trying to use this as a BB brag. It's been more than a decade. You'd think people would have learned by now.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I don't think Bill necessarily has a specific plan. I think he:

1. Hopes Garoppolo becomes available after SF and other teams make moves;
2. If not, then he will see who else is available - maybe a Darnold or a Bridgewater;
3. If the price is too high, he'll check on Minshew;
4. If none of the above, he'll re-sign Cam and try to draft a QB he likes around #15;
5. If that doesn't pan out, he'll target someone like Trask or Mills

That raises a good question: why did he see more "value" in trading down for Dugger than, say, drafting Jordan Love?