OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[RIpats88]

Brady and the Bucs are in the process of forming the first outright super team since the 2013 Broncos (yes I remember how that ended for them) and meanwhile we’re probably gonna have another year of the Cam experience.

They already were a super team this year.

 

[VectorPrime]

They already were a super team this year.

It’s complete revisionist history to claim that people thought this last March.

 

[sb1]

Brady and the Bucs are in the process of forming the first outright super team since the 2013 Broncos (yes I remember how that ended for them) and meanwhile we’re probably gonna have another year of the Cam experience.

And the closest we have today to that 2013 Seahawks defense that stopped that team - is the Bucs. LOL 14-2 assuming a 16 game schedule is very doable for them.

The Bucs on paper should beat us by 30. Hopefully Belichick can coach up some magic and get some talent here to give them a game.

 

[RIpats88]

It’s complete revisionist history to claim that people thought this last March.

March, no that was before brady brought alot of these guys in.

There's also alot of revisionist history going on that an offense with leonard fournette, Gronkowski, mike evans, godwin, antonio brown and a defense with Suh, JPP is not ridiculously talented because they were 7-9 the prior year. It's like a madden all pro team from 2018.

I remember ESPN was pushing posts "look at how crazy this lineup is"

I'm not sure how much better their roster can get. Maybe add a pass catching running back. But I think the offense can get better with a full offseason with the same guys

 

[drewskie]

March, no that was before brady brought alot of these guys in.

There's also alot of revisionist history going on that an offense with leonard fournette, Gronkowski, mike evans, godwin, antonio brown and a defense with Suh, JPP is not ridiculously talented because they were 7-9 the prior year. It's like a madden all pro team from 2018.

I remember ESPN was pushing posts "look at how crazy this lineup is"

I'm not sure how much better their roster can get. Maybe add a pass catching running back. But I think the offense can get better with a full offseason with the same guys

Agreed, the secondary was considered the weak link though tbh. #tompabayavengers

 

[1960Pats]

To be honest, they were a nothing franchise for their entire history except the two years they won the SB. Mortgaging the future is not something they should be afraid off right now. Winning another one with Brady would do wonders for the organization and its standing within the sports world.

2002 was all about their defense, it is not very glamorous. Winning with the GOAT is and could help them attract players even after he is gone. Being perceived as a quality organization and a desirable location.

The Bucs rank 32nd all-time out of all the current NYFL teams. Going into this year they were at .385 with 31st place Arizona at .435.

 

[Deus Irae]

March, no that was before brady brought alot of these guys in.

There's also alot of revisionist history going on that an offense with leonard fournette, Gronkowski, mike evans, godwin, antonio brown and a defense with Suh, JPP is not ridiculously talented because they were 7-9 the prior year. It's like a madden all pro team from 2018.

I remember ESPN was pushing posts "look at how crazy this lineup is"

I'm not sure how much better their roster can get. Maybe add a pass catching running back. But I think the offense can get better with a full offseason with the same guys

Fournette's such an amazing runner that his previous team cut him over performance, and the Bucs DNC-CD'd him during the season.
According to people here, Gronk was done.
According to people here, AB was a head case who'd never last. He was also a guy who'd missed a lot of time, and who was aging.
According to people here, Evans is overrated, doesn't run good routes, and is a soft player.
According to people here, Godwin really isn't that good, doesn't deserve to get paid, and shouldn't even be a target for re-signing.
According to people here, Suh is, and has always been, wildly overrated.



But now, because Brady got the worst franchise in sports turned around, suddenly it was a monster team just waiting for any QB but Jameis Winston?


Come on, man. Stop with the nonsense.

 

[VectorPrime]

Fournette's such an amazing runner that his previous team cut him over performance, and the Bucs DNC-CD'd him during the season.
According to people here, Gronk was done.
According to people here, AB was a head case who'd never last. He was also a guy who'd missed a lot of time, and who was aging.
According to people here, Evans is overrated, doesn't run good routes, and is a soft player.
According to people here, Godwin really isn't that good, doesn't deserve to get paid, and shouldn't even be a target for re-signing.
According to people here, Suh is, and has always been, wildly overrated.



But now, because Brady got the worst franchise in sports turned around, suddenly it was a monster team just waiting for any QB but Jameis Winston?


Come on, man. Stop with the nonsense.

There was also a parallel narrative going around that the Bucs were a glass canon and Brady was choosing to go to Tampa just to pad his offensive stats while going 8-8 because he no longer cared about winning.

 

[Zarozzor]

 

[RIpats88]

Fournette's such an amazing runner that his previous team cut him over performance, and the Bucs DNC-CD'd him during the season.
According to people here, Gronk was done.
According to people here, AB was a head case who'd never last. He was also a guy who'd missed a lot of time, and who was aging.
According to people here, Evans is overrated, doesn't run good routes, and is a soft player.
According to people here, Godwin really isn't that good, doesn't deserve to get paid, and shouldn't even be a target for re-signing.
According to people here, Suh is, and has always been, wildly overrated.



But now, because Brady got the worst franchise in sports turned around, suddenly it was a monster team just waiting for any QB but Jameis Winston?


Come on, man. Stop with the nonsense.

Fournette had 1000 rushing yards the year before he signed with Tampa. You act like he was done. And AB is a headcase. No one said he didn't have talent

I don't care what people here who didn't want brady to win said. I only care about talent. and the media and the guys who watch the games all say tampa is one of the most talented teams brady has been on.

That doesn't take away from what Brady has done. For some reason you feel if you peddle this narrative that the Bucs were some untalented trash team it makes Brady's accomplishments better.

When anyone can look at their talent and go "whoa they have alot of guys".

I stand by that this is the best receiving corps brady has had since 2007.

 

[drewskie]

Fournette had 1000 rushing yards the year before he signed with Tampa. You act like he was done. And AB is a headcase. No one said he didn't have talent

I don't care what people here who didn't want brady to win said. I only care about talent. and the media and the guys who watch the games all say tampa is one of the most talented teams brady has been on.

That doesn't take away from what Brady has done. For some reason you feel if you peddle this narrative that the Bucs were some untalented trash team it makes Brady's accomplishments better.

When anyone can look at their talent and go "whoa they have alot of guys".

I stand by that this is the best receiving corps brady has had since 2007.

One could argue the 2020 Bucs talent-wise should be in the discussion as having been as talented as the 2004 or 2007 Patriots.

The one thing I'm interested in is... was there a reason besides talent as to why the Patriots from 2001-2019 always played in close super bowls? Was it because Belichick didn't prioritize an elite pass rush? Was it because we were too conservative in our offensive approach to begin the big games?

One of the reasons we were on the wrong end of some SB losses was because our pass rush couldnt get home to Eli or Foles.

 

[RicoG]

I remember us Patriots fans lusting after Howard as the Gronk replacement. Bummer.

The Bucs have shown that they are one of the best at TE with Gronk and Brate, and they might see Hudson as a Brate replacement down the road. So OJ is a luxury they can afford to trade away.

I would love it if the Pats trade for him. I don't think they will cause it might take a 2nd round pick.

But if they do, they can structure a long term contract similar to Gronks 6 year below market contract since he has Gronks potential but also has trouble with injuries.

 

[Deus Irae]

Fournette had 1000 rushing yards the year before he signed with Tampa. You act like he was done. And AB is a headcase. No one said he didn't have talent

I don't care what people here who didn't want brady to win said. I only care about talent. and the media and the guys who watch the games all say tampa is one of the most talented teams brady has been on.

That doesn't take away from what Brady has done. For some reason you feel if you peddle this narrative that the Bucs were some untalented trash team it makes Brady's accomplishments better.

When anyone can look at their talent and go "whoa they have alot of guys".

I stand by that this is the best receiving corps brady has had since 2007.

Why on Earth would you double down on this, particularly on Fournette? I mean, that's just silly. Fournette's been a bust, which is why Jacksonville ditched him. Even in Tampa, while Jones was averaging 5.1 yards per carry, Fournette was averaging 3.8 yards per carry, and getting benched.

Troll better.

 

[Kargetina]

Why on Earth would you double down on this, particularly on Fournette? I mean, that's just silly. Fournette's been a bust, which is why Jacksonville ditched him. Even in Tampa, while Jones was averaging 5.1 yards per carry, Fournette was averaging 3.8 yards per carry, and getting benched.

Troll better.

Fournette was on the verge of cutting cut, he was given a choice by Arians to accept his situation or be cut after he was a healthy scratch in week 14.

Now, he's the second coming of Barry Sanders.

The Bucs were 7-5 and were blown out 38-3 by the Saints. A lot of people thought they were going to miss the playoffs.

Now, that they won it all, they are Team USA 92'.

 

[Deus Irae]

Fournette was on the verge of cutting cut, he was given a choice by Arians to accept his situation or be cut after he was a healthy scratch in week 14.

Now, he's the second coming of Barry Sanders.

The Bucs were 7-5 and were blown out 38-3 by the Saints. A lot of people thought they were going to miss the playoffs.

Now, that they won it all, they are Team USA 92'.

Yeah, there's a whole lot of people trying to frame the history of this past Bucs season as something that was a practical inevitability, when most of those same people spent the year dismissing the Bucs' chances.

I mean, the team was such an obvious super team that it was the underdog in all but one of its playoff games.

 

[RicoG]

Fournette's such an amazing runner that his previous team cut him over performance, and the Bucs DNC-CD'd him during the season.
According to people here, Gronk was done.
According to people here, AB was a head case who'd never last. He was also a guy who'd missed a lot of time, and who was aging.
According to people here, Evans is overrated, doesn't run good routes, and is a soft player.
According to people here, Godwin really isn't that good, doesn't deserve to get paid, and shouldn't even be a target for re-signing.
According to people here, Suh is, and has always been, wildly overrated.

But now, because Brady got the worst franchise in sports turned around, suddenly it was a monster team just waiting for any QB but Jameis Winston?

Before the season, the detractors weren't totally out to left field as a lot of the key players had something to prove. It was all about potential and when that potential was realized after their bye, it was then they became absolute monsters.

Brady just came from one of his worst season in 2019. Was it him or was it the team?

Fournette got cut even though he was a number 4 pick and still young. He was mehh until the playoff. But I tell you, for the playoffs I was absolutely drooling over the guy. I hope they make a serious offer for him, but something tells me he will get 24 million for 3 years. Might be too rich.

Gronk looked done in 2018. So he needed a year of rest and healing, again no guarantees that would have brought back peak Gronk, but by the SB it was very close.

Evans seems a little sloppy. I think he is still a work in progress in that Brady will take him to the next level. He mentioned the other day about Brady working with him to make him better.

AB needs the money cause I think he spent it all LoL. So that is part of his motivation and probably stats to ensure he gets in the HOF. He just needed Brady to get back on track.

Godwin. It's just an embarrassment of riches. I think AB, Miller, Gronk, Brate, Johnson need more passes thrown their way. Godwin walks, problem solved, and money available to sign some of their other key players.

Suh was good when Vita was out. But when Vita came back, he was a beast. He was terrifying in the SB. They need to keep him and he'll be cheap for a DL of his caliber due to his age at around 8million.

 

[Deus Irae]

Mike Evans, on Brady leading up to the Super Bowl:

“He was texting us a lot of clips, lots and lots of film on what to expect on certain down and distances,” Evans said, via Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times. “And he does that all the time, but just in the playoffs and especially this game, he went above and beyond.


“Like 12 at night, six in the morning. People aren’t even up, and he’s telling us this won’t work against this guy. You’ve got to run it like this. This is the detail that went into this and the extra meetings and all the hard work.

Rumor Mill Archives - ProFootballTalk

 

[Deus Irae]

Before the season, the detractors weren't totally out to left field as a lot of the key players had something to prove. It was all about potential and when that potential was realized after their bye, it was then they became absolute monsters.

Sorry, no. You don't get to claim it was a super team, when it wasn't even favored to win its division.


Note: The "you" is general, not specific.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady just came from one of his worst season in 2019. Was it him or was it the team?

As bad as that team's offensive skill positions were for much of the season, and as bad as the OL become due to injuries, Brady and the defense had that team 10-1 before those OL and WR/TE woes finally killed the team. And if you're too busy peering at stats to know that Brady was carrying that offense to heights it had no business reaching, that's on you. Hell, as far as stats go, even with that garbage all around him, he still ended up with a 24:8 TD:INT total.



Note: "You" is meant generally, not specifically.

 

[Deus Irae]

Fournette got cut even though he was a number 4 pick and still young. He was mehh until the playoff.

I like that you're coming off of Fournette. For a moment, there I thought RIPats88 was going to convince people that Fournette was actually Jim Brown. I'll leave things off there, as the rest of your post just proves my points, but the troll won't acknowledge it.