Will we likely have the divisions #4 QB in 2020?

[Ian]

I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume that Bill Belichick doesn’t understand the value of the QB position and will move forward ignoring it.
That’s the problem with these hypotheticals. I see no point in being concerned about what happens if belichick suddenly forgets everything he knows about football.
The bar of comparable to the division outside of Allen is about as low as it could be.

I didn't say he didn't understand it, I said history has shown that hasn't been how they do business. Obviously, the market will force his hand and if that's what they have to do (and they like the guy), they'll do it. They did it with Gilmore and shocked everyone...so it wouldn't be the first time. But for a QB? We have no idea how that will work.

 

[jah]

All we know about the next season is that none of the QBs who wore a Patriots uniform within the past year are worth keeping, at least in a starting role. So from that perspective, it makes us the most likely to have the worst QB in the division. That being said, Miami and the Jets could realistically have mediocre to bad QBs as well, so ours could be as good as 2nd.

 

[Ian]

All we know about the next season is that none of the QBs who wore a Patriots uniform within the past year are worth keeping, at least in a starting role. So from that perspective, it makes us the most likely to have the worst QB in the division. That being said, Miami and the Jets could realistically have mediocre to bad QBs as well, so ours could be as good as 2nd.

Tua is definitely the wild card. He had several rough outings. Will a full offseason and possibly a preseason make a difference? It will be interesting to see. I guess the other question I have is what the Jets will do with Darnold or if they'll bring in someone and ship him out.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

I’m thinking we will draft Trey Lance but let’s see

 

[mgteich]

Should we have a poll. My belief is that we should

1) Draft one of the top 6 QB's, which probably require a trade up. Maybe such a QB is a 50-50 shot at a top 10 QB; so be it. If this doesn't work, we will likely need to the same next year.

2) Sign a QB to a 3 contract, one who we would expect to start and lead this year, and maybe even next. This could cost 3/$60M. Sure, Belichick might get lucky bring in a Winston or an Alex Smith for less. We might even get a Cousins type for less this year. Many of us, perhaps most, have penciled in $20M for QB for months. And yes, it is possible that one of our fan favorites could come. This is not just a plug bridge. This would be someone we would hope to bring us to the playoffs. He would be the starter until we secured and developed a youngster with top 10 potential.

3) Draft a QB late (or sign someone as an UDFA or low level free agent) to come with Stidham as our #3 and potential #2 when the veteran leaves.

The cost is $20M a year plus whatever draft choice we need to use this year and next to secure a future starter and backup.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't say he didn't understand it, I said history has shown that hasn't been how they do business. Obviously, the market will force his hand and if that's what they have to do (and they like the guy), they'll do it. They did it with Gilmore and shocked everyone...so it wouldn't be the first time. But for a QB? We have no idea how that will work.

But the patriots have done nothing to indicate they don’t value the qb position.
I just don’t understand where the idea is coming from that the guy who built the greatest dynasty ever is suddenly going to be negligent. I mean let’s be serious. He has the most cap room he has ever had, one of the highest picks he has ever had and a gaping vacancy at the most important position on the field. I cannot fathom an expectation that he will just ignore it.

 

[mgteich]

How would you feel if we traded our 1st and 2nd with DET at #7 and picked the QB of Belichick's choice? [after signing a mid-level veteran]
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Sure, many would whine that Belichick could have waited until 15 and gotten an equal level QB. I would think that this was great!

 

[Ring 6]

How would you feel if we traded our 1st and 2nd with DET at #7 and picked the QB of Belichick's choice? [after signing a mid-level veteran]
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Sure, many would whine that Belichick could have waited until 15 and gotten an equal level QB. I would think that this was great!

It depends upon how they evaluate the QBs and who is there. It also depends upon who they acquire by free agency or trade.
If they acquire a qb they are happy to turn it over to then they won’t need to draft a QB in round 1. If they cannot then acquire one then trading up if that’s what it takes to get the guy you believe is the guy you do it.
It’s the biggest piece of the puzzle but it isn’t the entire puzzle.

 

[NashuaPats]

I’ve been reading about the prospects: Fields, Trask, Jones.

The reclamation projects: Trubisky, Darnold, etc.

Stop gaps: Fitzpatrick, Brisset...

Trading for Wentz and the pipe dream Watson

Giving Newton another chance... what happened to him? I though he looked good the first month... Is Covid brain actually a thing?

Old friend: Jimmy


And... I’ll just put this out there... I have absolutely no idea what they should do.

 

[Triumph]

So that’s a reason to start a discussion about how good the QBs that will be here next year are going to be when we don’t know who they are?

Yes

Do have faith that BB can draft a QB?

The only 2 drafted worth discussing are Jimmy who looks great in his uniform, but is made of fine china and could not be trusted in a Super Bowl. Brady who was a fluke that will never happen again.

1 Mahomes
2 Allen
3 Watson
4 Carr
5 Jackson
6 Mayfield
7 Herbert
8 Lawrence
9 Jets pick
10 Burrows
11 Tannehill
12 Rivers
13 Tua
14 ???? Steelers
15 ???? Denver
16 ???? NE

 

[amfootball]

Watson has a no trade clause. Watson controls where he wants to go.

I would imagine Miami is very attractive to him. The team is trending up and has its FO in order and a coach the players love to play for. Oh, and the weather!

 

[Ian]

But the patriots have done nothing to indicate they don’t value the qb position.
I just don’t understand where the idea is coming from that the guy who built the greatest dynasty ever is suddenly going to be negligent. I mean let’s be serious. He has the most cap room he has ever had, one of the highest picks he has ever had and a gaping vacancy at the most important position on the field. I cannot fathom an expectation that he will just ignore it.

You’re under the impression I’m implying he’s negligent or doesn’t value the position, neither of which have I said. My point is they don’t typically overpay for players nor do they even step up and pay top dollar for guys, they just don’t do it. Gilmore was the rare exception and I remember how shocked we all were when it happened, especially when the terms of the contract came out. And given the situation with Brady, I can’t see them paying a guy what Brady was essentially looking for, especially since he knew what he had in Brady vs what he thinks he might know in someone else. That’s a strange dynamic and would be hard to fathom.

So you saying I don’t believe Bill values the position would be the same as me saying you think Bill is suddenly going to go and pay a free agent QB $30 million+, neither of which is true. But past history has set up a situation where he’s in uncharted territory. I think he’ll bite the bullet and spend the money and eat Jimmy G’s contract if they can acquire him because of that connection and hope to extend him to make it a little less painful. But outside of that, I don’t see Matt Stafford or anyone with that type of salary coming here. Otherwise, I’m definitely curious to see what he decides to do.

 

[raduray]

I wonder if the Patriots could turn Sam Darnold around.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes

Do have faith that BB can draft a QB?

The only 2 drafted worth discussing are Jimmy who looks great in his uniform, but is made of fine china and could not be trusted in a Super Bowl. Brady who was a fluke that will never happen again.

1 Mahomes
2 Allen
3 Watson
4 Carr
5 Jackson
6 Mayfield
7 Herbert
8 Lawrence
9 Jets pick
10 Burrows
11 Tannehill
12 Rivers
13 Tua
14 ???? Steelers
15 ???? Denver
16 ???? NE

I’ll wait to discuss the next patriot QB until there is one.

 

[Ring 6]

You’re under the impression I’m implying he’s negligent or don’t value the position, neither of which have I said. My point is they don’t typically overpay for players nor do they even step up and pay top dollar for guys, they just don’t do it. Gilmore was the rare exception and I remember how shocked we all were when it happened, especially when the terms of the contract came out. And given the situation with Brady, I can’t see them paying a guy what Brady was essentially looking for, especially since he knew what he had in Brady vs what he thinks he might know in someone else. That’s a strange dynamic and would be hard to fathom.

So you saying I don’t believe Bill values the position would be the same as me saying you think Bill is suddenly going to go and pay a free agent QB $30 million+, neither of which is true. But past history has set up a situation where he’s in uncharted territory. I think he’ll bite the bullet and spend the money and eat Jimmy G’s contract if they can acquire him because of that connection and hope to extend him to make it a little less painful. But outside of that, I don’t see Matt Stafford or anyone with that type of salary coming here. Otherwise, I’m definitely curious to see what he decides to do.

Not obtaining a quality QB would be negligent and would be not valuing the position. That doesn’t mean he is going to pay a stupid amount to get a guy to lose with because he had a name. That’s more negligent. He needs a QB. I just disagree with the notion that he will look at it and say wow QBs are expensive, so I’m going to just get a bad one so I can save money and try to win with a crappy QB
He paid Brady top dollar for a long time. Brady chose to leave he didn’t ask for a price belichick wouldn’t pay. And Brady is 43.
I guess we will just have to table this and see what happens. Put me down as believing that belichick understands how important a QB is and won’t leave the team without one when he is sitting on the resources needed to get one. It’s the number priority for this team and I would bet my bottom dollar that belichick will ensure that this team has at the worst average nfl QB play in 2021 with a plan to the future. When has he ever ignored what the team needs to win when he has the resources to do it?

 

[Ian]

Not obtaining a quality QB would be negligent and would be not valuing the position. That doesn’t mean he is going to pay a stupid amount to get a guy to lose with because he had a name. That’s more negligent. He needs a QB. I just disagree with the notion that he will look at it and say wow QBs are expensive, so I’m going to just get a bad one so I can save money and try to win with a crappy QB
He paid Brady top dollar for a long time. Brady chose to leave he didn’t ask for a price belichick wouldn’t pay. And Brady is 43.
I guess we will just have to table this and see what happens. Put me down as believing that belichick understands how important a QB is and won’t leave the team without one when he is sitting on the resources needed to get one. It’s the number priority for this team and I would bet my bottom dollar that belichick will ensure that this team has at the worst average nfl QB play in 2021 with a plan to the future. When has he ever ignored what the team needs to win when he has the resources to do it?

I get your point about saying Belichick would be negligent by not wanting to acquire a quality QB. I re-read my post and didn’t imply or say that. I’m sure he does want to, but it has to make sense.

Would he spend the money for elite play? Sure, but I’m guessing he puts guys like Mahomes/Rodgers in that category. I don’t think he’d be willing to overpay for someone like Stafford or a similar player.

Of course he wants to improve the team and he needs a QB for the sake of improving the team. But at the same time, he’s proven he’s not going to overpay someone for the sake of doing that. That’s not my opinion, that’s just based on past history. I mean, let’s be honest, prior to them eventually acquiring Newton, they were seemingly prepared to go into camp with who they had and I’m sure he would have made it work.

I’m sure he’ll make moves to make them better there coming off this season. But what that will be remains to be seen.

 

[mgteich]

Not obtaining a quality QB would be negligent and would be not valuing the position. .

I'm somewhat confused. Until the very last minute when we signed a QB that no one else wanted, who was the quality quarterback that Belichick obtained this past season?

 

[amfootball]

He paid Brady top dollar for a long time. Brady chose to leave he didn’t ask for a price belichick wouldn’t pay. And Brady is 43.
I guess we will just have to table this and see what happens. Put me down as believing that belichick understands how important a QB is and won’t leave the team without one when he is sitting on the resources needed to get one. It’s the number priority for this team and I would bet my bottom dollar that belichick will ensure that this team has at the worst average nfl QB play in 2021 with a plan to the future. When has he ever ignored what the team needs to win when he has the resources to do it?

He has ignored QB for the past 3 years with Brady in his 40's and only spending a 7th and 4th round picks on the position since he traded Jimmy. No extension for Brady, no FA signing or trade, no draft capital. Complete and total failure for the QB succession plan.

 

[Wozzy]

Burrow is the best QB in the AFC North, they went 4-11-1 and now he needs surgery on his knee because his O-Line was a disgrace.

Deshaun Watson is the best QB in the AFC South, they went 4-12.

Dak Prescott is the best QB in the NFC East, they went 6-10 and he got hurt because their once great O-Line is a flimsy shadow of itself.

Stafford 5-11, Matt Ryan 4-12, Kyler Murray 8-8... these guys are all really good.

The fan notion that “the best QB wins” is so misguided it can only be compared to schoolgirl boyband fanclub hysteria.

In 2017 Foles was better than Brady... sound logical?

What matters is that the Patriots find a good/great QB to play. Beyond that I have faith BB will put a great team around him.

Tom Brady has 6 rings because he was on the best TEAM. Not because he was six times better than Brees, Rogers and Ben. Put down the Teen Beat Magazine...

 

[Sicilian]

I'm somewhat confused. Until the very last minute when we signed a QB that no one else wanted, who was the quality quarterback that Belichick obtained this past season?

I think you have to take this past season with a grain of salt. They weren't in a great position to draft a sure talent, and they lacked a lot of cap space to make a significant move in free agency. Once the state of the season started to be questioned, I think (just my opinion) that Belichick decided to hit the reset button. Why go all out for an already less than ideal situation when A) It's already a monumental task to mentally replace Tom Brady if you're the next QB, and B) There's no guarantee this season is played, and is so strange from a development stand point.

I do agree that, right now, they have the worst QB in the division. There are options out there, be it via draft, FA, or trade, and I trust Belichick to make a good decision there. However, good decisions don't always work, and not every option they'd like will end up being interested in THEM, so it's fair to question the viability of the opportunity to upgrade the position.

But there's a long way to go, and a LOT of things have happened in the offseason for the last 20 years that I didn't see coming until it happened. I wouldn't be surprised if their eventual solution at QB (be it this year or in the future) comes from a source that no one has even brought up yet.