Source: Pats have NOT ruled out bringing Cam back in 2021

[crawhammer]

Biggest issue with him seems to be confidence.

That and...

His shoulder appears to be shot
His release is awkward and slow
He can't read a defense pre-snap
He doesn't read through his progressions
He's inaccurate on passes < 20 yards
He doesn't handle pressure well
He's not elusive in the pocket
His ball security is poor
He's not clutch
He didn't improve despite reportedly spending 18 hours a day at Gillette

Yet still, he apparently was a better option than Stidham.

 

[Ring 6]

You said name black guys who were supposed to be franchise QBs. I gave you names who deserved to play as many mediocre seasons as the white guys do. You come back and say they're all (minus RG3) worse than the white guys who are still awful to begin with. It doesn't matter if the white guys are standing at the top of garbage mountain with debris, dirt, and waste raining down on them from the sky. They're still garbage, but they got more opportunites. That was my point. What do you want from me? lol.

Jesus. You are arguing that QBs jobs depend upon race? My god. The crazy in here is frightening.

 

[Whitt25]

Jesus. You are arguing that QBs jobs depend upon race? My god. The crazy in here is frightening.

No, either go reread the entire conversation about why race entered the conversation or go away. Or don't and just go away. That works, too.

 

[Ring 6]

No, either go reread the entire conversation about why race entered the conversation or go away. Or don't and just go away. That works, too.

Why would how race entered the argument have anything to do with you arguing that race affects QB decisions, which you literally just did? “He started it” does not defend your wrong argument

 

[Ring 6]

No, either go reread the entire conversation about why race entered the conversation or go away. Or don't and just go away. That works, too.

This is what you said.

Since you brought it up, I'll say this, and I know I'll piss some white people off when I say it, but any other generic white QB would get at least one more season to redeem himself. The black guy who went to a Super Bowl and had a bad season this year? We gotta get him the **** out, even though our offense sucks. Downvote away.

100% stupid.

 

[Whitt25]

Why would how race entered the argument have anything to do with you arguing that race affects QB decisions, which you literally just did? “He started it” does not defend your wrong argument

Bro, I am NOT about to have another argument about why Dalton/Stafford/Bradford/Cutler/etc are no better than the black qbs I named. I'm not in the mood. Take your ******** somewhere else.

Edit: And you're 100% an *******. But I don't think you need anyone to remind you of that.

 

[Ring 6]

Bro, I am NOT about to have another argument about why Dalton/Stafford/Bradford/etc are no better than the black qbs I named. I'm not in the mood. Take your ******** somewhere else.

Edit: And you're 100% an *******. But I don't think you need anyone to remind you of that.

You are wrong. Stafford had a 5000 yard 41 TD season and 7 other 4000+ seasons.
Dalton has made 3 pro bowls.
Dalton in his first 5 years led the bengals to 5 playoff seasons after they had made the playoffs 4 times in 29 years.
You are comparing that to EJ Manuel?
You aren’t even close to right, which is what always happens when you try to shoehorn race where it doesn’t belong.

Of course you show your real character by calling me names for disagreeing with you. The last resort of someone who knows they are wrong.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Cam is COOKED. I'd rather we just invest a high draft pick in the QB position and prioritize development of the most important position on the roster.

 

[Whitt25]

You are wrong. Stafford had a 5000 yard 41 TD season and 7 other 4000+ seasons.
Dalton has made 3 pro bowls.
You are comparing that to EJ Manuel?
You aren’t even close to right, which is what always happens when you try to shoehorn race where it doesn’t belong.

Of course you show your real character by calling me names for disagreeing with you. The last resort of someone who knows they are wrong.

You came with the insults when you said 100% stupid. Shut that **** up. And Stafford only has those numbers 'cause he had Calvin Johnson. He ****in sucks, but keep defending him. Dalton making pro bowl 3 times doesn't mean ****, either. He never took his team anywhere but maybe an ocassional one and done in the playoffs. Maybe EJ Manuel was a bad pick on my part(which I did say not all of these guys are good), but not all of my picks were bad.

 

[Ring 6]

You came with the insults when you said 100% stupid.

[/QUOTE]
That’s what you’re opinion was.

Shut that **** up. And Stafford only has those numbers 'cause he had Calvin Johnson. He ****in sucks, but keep defending him.

He has thrown for 4000+ yards 8 times. What did EJ Manuel do?

Dalton making pro bowl 3 times doesn't mean ****, either. He never took his team anywhere but maybe an ocassional one and done in the playoffs.

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he took the bengals who had made the playoffs 4 times in 29 years to the playoffs his first 5 years. When were you expecting him to be benched?

Maybe EJ Manuel was a bad pick on my part(which I did say not all of these guys are good), but not all of my picks were bad.

None of them earned more playing time than they got. None of them came close to earning what Dalton and stafford did in the field. They played themselves off the field. It’s not even a close argument. It’s a guy looking to name a bunch of white guys and black guys to pretend race has anything to do with it.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

You came with the insults when you said 100% stupid. Shut that **** up. And Stafford only has those numbers 'cause he had Calvin Johnson. He ****in sucks, but keep defending him. Dalton making pro bowl 3 times doesn't mean ****, either. He never took his team anywhere but maybe an ocassional one and done in the playoffs. Maybe EJ Manuel was a bad pick on my part(which I did say not all of these guys are good), but not all of my picks were bad.

In the 5 years since Calvin retired here is staffords averages

65% comp, around 4300 yards a season, 26 tds 10 picks. The stats don’t back up your claim that he sucks.
Note: he played 8 games in 2019, was at 2500 yards and 19 tds. I Doubled the passing yards and rounded to 30 tds on the year.

 

[Whitt25]

None of them earned more playing time than they got. None of them came close to earning what Dalton and stafford did in the field. They played themselves off the field. It’s not even a close argument. It’s a guy looking to name a bunch of white guys and black guys to pretend race has anything to do with it.
[/QUOTE]

I'm obviously not gonna convince you, and you're not gonna convince me. I'm out.

 

[Whitt25]

In the 5 years since Calvin retired here is staffords averages

65% comp, around 4300 yards a season, 26 tds 10 picks. The stats don’t back up your claim that he sucks.
Note: he played 8 games in 2019, was at 2500 yards and 19 tds. I Doubled the passing yards and rounded to 30 tds on the year.

Ok, fine, so he's thrown 3 more 4000 seasons after Calvin Johnson left. And with all his "awesomeness", his team still had a worse record than we did this year. Impressive.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Ok, fine, so he's thrown for over 4000 in 3 more seasons after Calvin Johnson left. And with all his "awesomeness", his team still had a worse record than we did this year. Impressive.

How many years did the lions finish with even a top 10 scoring defense since Stafford arrived?

One time. And that year they ended up 11-5 and made the playoffs. Compare it to the Pats who have finished top 10 in points allowed 17 of the past 20 years. I think Stafford would be held in higher regard if he ever got some help on the other side of the ball.

 

[Jercules]

8 td passes over 15 games is abysmal. It's why I don't necessarily buy the argument from some it was all the weapons.

I mean ok, brady went from 25-40 tds going from our garbage to probably the best skill position in the NFL. What is cams ceiling here. 20 tds?

Cams problem is he couldn't get guys the ball even when they were open

8 TD passes sucks, but let's remember he had 12 rushing TDs.

I think it makes a little more sense to say 20 TDs to 11+ turnovers (10 INTs + the fumble vs. Buffalo + any other fumbles lost) if we want an accurate idea of how he fared this season.

 

[Ring 6]

None of them earned more playing time than they got. None of them came close to earning what Dalton and stafford did in the field. They played themselves off the field. It’s not even a close argument. It’s a guy looking to name a bunch of white guys and black guys to pretend race has anything to do with it.

I'm obviously not gonna convince you, and you're not going to convince me. I'm out.
[/QUOTE]
Because you have no argument.
You are arguing that guys who could earn or hold a job deserved one more than guys who played well and guys who won.
And you are only doing it disingenuously to try and play the race card.
The only reason you refuse to be convinced is that you want to cry racism where it doesnt exist. It would be one thing if you were arguing players that were even close but there is no comparison.

Ok, fine, so he's thrown 3 more 4000 seasons after Calvin Johnson left. And with all his "awesomeness", his team still had a worse record than we did this year. Impressive.

no one is arguing awesomeness. They are arguing against your ridiculous comment that he deserved to lose his job and is a lesser QB than EJ Manuel, Tyrod Taylor or RG III.

 

[FearNo.1]

If I have to sit and watch another season of Cam throwing balls into the grass, behind receivers, over their heads, and not finding the open receiver I might hurt somebody.

Completed 66% of his passes to a bunch of UDFA WRs without Julian Edleman for 80% of the season and literally no TE to speak of. I'd say he deserves to be commended for doing what he did. Literally no other QB in NFL History has had as poor of weapons as Newton had this year.

 

[Soliel]

You gotta be kidding me?? Just start a rookie or stidham. What’s the difference?

 

[Satchboogie3]

Completed 66% of his passes to a bunch of UDFA WRs without Julian Edleman for 80% of the season and literally no TE to speak of. I'd say he deserves to be commended for doing what he did. Literally no other QB in NFL History has had as poor of weapons as Newton had this year.

The only reason he had such a high completion % was because he almost never threw beyond the line of scrimmage and didn't know how to throw the ball away. Cam got sacked on 7.8% of his drop backs! Brady last year was 4.2%. And Cam had a better Oline this year. The weapons were probably still better overall this year than what Brady dealt with last year. There literally were no TE's last year, Harry played half a season coming back from injury and looked bad, Meyers was a rookie, Edelman was a shell of himself with the dropsies, and Sanu was useless running around on 1 leg. I'll take 2 rookie TEs, Bird, and Meyers/Harry with a year under their belt over the garbage last season. It's still garbage. It all stinks...

 

[Keyser Söze]

Deshaun Watson please and thank you.