Stidham or Newton vs Chargers

[Jim Beankie]

Not really. When the Giants played the Pats in the last regular season game of the year they were 10-5 and were locked in to the 5th seed in the NFC. To Tom Coughlin's credit, instead of resting players the Giants went after the Pats undefeated season, which probably contributed to their win in the SB. They ended up 14-6 counting the playoffs.

They were probably talking about the 2011 Giants who were 7-7 at one point and ran the table to 13-7.

 

[Triumph]

Only on PatsFans can Cam throw 2 INTs, 0 TDs, 50% completion rate, 84 yards, 23 QB rating and be on the upswing.

 

[Triumph]

PFF predicts that Cam will be on the Bengals next season.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Only on PatsFans can Cam throw 2 INTs, 0 TDs, 50% completion rate, 84 yards, 23 QB rating and be on the upswing.

Take out Arizona, Vegas, SF & Denver and he's been ok at times.




(you don't sarcasm very well)

 

[Triumph]

Take out Arizona, Vegas, SF & Denver and he's been ok at times.




(you don't sarcasm very well)

That will leave Cam with 2 passing TDs.

 

[lancerman]

I don't know how some guys can unequivocally declare what Stid is, or is capable of, based on some very brief and unprepared backup duties.
his first INT last year vs. Jets was stupid, but it was a basic overthrow because of nerves - it was the right read.
at KC, one was JE11 fault, and the other was an underthrown deep shot (on a week where no one practiced much)
What he has shown this year is ability to be accurate in mid-range, good touch on screens, good mobility and anticipation.
AND he spreads the ball around! I still hold out hope for what he could be given the #1 reps all week on a gameplan specific role.
If they trot out Cam with core muscle issues - when that could explain why his mechanics suck so bad - just to protect egos or feelings!!
That is NOT team-first decisions!

His entire job is simply to “be ready when he gets the opportunity”. It’s very rare for a backup to get chances to play games for this team in the last 20 years (it’s basically been the 07-08 seasons where we were pulling starters after blowouts and then the Brady injury). Stidham has gotten multiple chances that backup QB’s cover. It’s like when Jimmy G looked good against the Chiefs in a blowout in 2014 and people remembered that (speaking of, one of the teams Stidham had a chance to prove himself in was against the Chiefs, and it wasn’t in an insurmountable blowout). Stidham has gotten more chances than a backup can typically ask for and he blew them.

The only reason people are making excuses for them and acting like he needs starting privileges to confirm he is bad is because they are unhappy with Cam.

That’s just not the way things work.

The writing was on the wall with Stidham when he lost the starter role to Cam after Cam had only been with the team a few weeks.

You aren’t entitled to a starter role if the coach doesn’t believe in you and you have done nothing to prove him wrong just based on a vague notion that it’s unfair to evaluate you without it.

This is 99% people just being unhappy with Cam and hoping for a miracle that Stidham is something he hasn’t shown on the field or to coaches behind the scenes.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I think we should bring back Michael bishop. He never got a chance as a starter. Just pretend it's a pre-seaon game

 

[lancerman]

Cam Newton against the Cardinals last week, 9/18, 84 yards, 0 TD, 2 INTs, 23.6 rating. Anybody from Worcester is better than that. C'mon man!!

So Stidham throws two more interception and likely isn’t going to make the run on the first down that kept the field goal drive alive? The really answer is that Cam had a game that was bad but still contributed in ways that mattered to getting the win that Stidham probably wouldn’t have.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I bet he can. We got a taste of it in the KC game.

Well he still had a better passer rating than Cam did last weekend

 

[lancerman]

Dont cry for me Cam Newton. Cam won't be here next season and Stidham will.

May as well let Cam finish up his last days as a Patriot. Stidham will enter 2021 as the most experienced NE QB. Even if the Pats bring in a new Vet Stidham will have the upper hand and a clear path to be the starter if he is good enough.

I don’t even know if that’s a given. If we draft a QB and they are going to have him sit a bit to develop, I kinda doubt they are going to want Stidham who is a 3rd year mediocre QB holding the fort down when they could have a cheap vet in Cam.

There also likely isn’t a Cam situation for a new vet. If we bring in someone like Stafford or Jimmy they are getting a sizeable contract and they will pretty much have to start (also if 2020 Cam can beat out Stidham then I don’t see any way a vet worth a damn can’t).

The only way I see Stidham starting is if the draft is a disaster and all the first round QB’s go before us and we just aren’t in a position to get one of the stronger prospects so we punt, then we can’t find a vet that we want or are willing to pay what they want for a contract, AND then Cam either retires or gets a better contract somewhere else.

In fact if Hoyer wasn’t the other back up and Covid wasn’t going on, I’m really not sure Stidham would even be here right now

 

[italian pat patriot]

Anyway seems Cam is "ready to go" tomorrow

 

[amfootball]

PFF predicts that Cam will be on the Bengals next season.

If the Pats don't resign him, I think he retires. Don't see any team giving him a job based on how awful he has been this season.

 

[sb1]

Stidham is a 4th round draft pick. He was available that late for a reason.

Guys like that are much more likely to have a short NFL career as a QB than not. So it’s not like the Pats are likely missing out on a can’t miss QB prospect if they don’t play him and it seems he hasn’t given them a reason to think they are.

 

[1960Pats]

They were probably talking about the 2011 Giants who were 7-7 at one point and ran the table to 13-7.

That's right. Thanks. I tried to block both of those games from my memory for different reasons

 

[1960Pats]

Take out Arizona, Vegas, SF & Denver and he's been ok at times.




(you don't sarcasm very well)

My disappointment has come from the fact that I didn't expect much from the team but now I'm seeing that they're only a QB away from AFCE and/or playoff contention. They should have had a better option than Cam Newton.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Just because Cam Newton isn't the answer doesn't Jarrett Stidham is

Nobody is saying that Stidham is the answer. We just want to see him for more than half a game.

Against KC, Hoyer had a better performance than Cam last weekend and was benched at the half and never dressed up again.

in my opinion it is more about Bill making a promise to Cam that he will start no matter what than about Stidham.

 

[Thelonious]

Newton is banged up with an abdominal strain. He has not been playing well.... 26.2 QB rating last week, poor decision making, bad throwing mechanics, no confidence....and he is going up against a cover 3 D this weekend which he has struggled with his entire career. I say Start Stidham!!! Give the guy a chance!!!!

Lots of baseless certainty here that Stidham blows and that the problem (unspecified) is irreparable. I don't know about that, and neither does anyone else. The evidence on him thus far may not paint a sunny picture, but there is not enough of it yet to draw firm conclusions. Give him an in-game try with full prep and all the "weapons" (! such as they are). See what he is.

But what about "the best chance to win" standard? C'mon now: it doesn't matter. The season is over. Drop those Wiggy delusions, kids. The purpose of this year is to get ready for next year.

Besides, we DO have abundant, powerfully convincing evidence that Cam - however besotted the fanboys may be by his blabbermouth charm and excellent taste in women's clothing - blows. He blows. A dozen games, 4 td passes, 9 ints, multiple blown late-game opportunities, footwork only a mother could love, balls flying all over the f----g place. Let's be real, fellas.

WTH, try Stidham. If that doesn't work, rummage through the qb hasbeens for an interesting alternative. Because Cam blows.

Off topic: Ever put tire chains on a tractor? Worst job ever. Those things are heavy. And I am old.

 

[1960Pats]

Nobody is saying that Stidham is the answer. We just want to see him for more than half a game.

Against KC, Hoyer had a better performance than Cam last weekend and was benched at the half and never dressed up again.

in my opinion it is more about Bill making a promise to Cam that he will start no matter what than about Stidham.

I don't think Bill makes promises to players that they'll start.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Nobody is saying that Stidham is the answer. We just want to see him for more than half a game.

Against KC, Hoyer had a better performance than Cam last weekend and was benched at the half and never dressed up again.

in my opinion it is more about Bill making a promise to Cam that he will start no matter what than about Stidham.

I agree with your post's outline. I do not think BB makes promises to players but he indicates his thinking and intentions. If you listen to Aqib Talib's recap of his offseason talk with BB that confirms what I am saying. Also BB almost always goes with the veteran over a rookie. And Stidham has not been good so far which helps confirm the decision to stick with Newton.

I think that changes if Cam is hurt or we are eliminated from the playoffs. In either scenario I think we will see Stidham because he is a natural passer, can scramble, and might just need some seasoning.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I read this same post from a whole bunch of members here last season..except they were talking about Damien Harris

Let's hope for the same result.