PostGame Thread Post Game Thread- Bills beat the Pats

[Ring 6]

2019 dolphins

They didn’t tank. They won 5 of 9 after starting 0-7. They cleaned house and built a culture.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

With Atlanta, Vikings and bengals winning this week and hopefully the chargers beat Denver, we are now drafting in the top 10. Just got to lose 9 more straight games.
Hello mr. Lawrence.

 

[Ring 6]

Before you **** on Cam, he played decently for stretches and we wouldn't have been in it without him. Belichichick deserves a lions share of the blame for that onside kick.

“He played decently for stretches” is the best you’ve got? He was terrible.

 

[catent]

It's really strange to see folks dumping on Belichick and the team's culture right now. Like, of all the things to critique, that's what you choose?

Not the lack of talent in the defensive front-7? Not the lack of offensive playmakers? Not the questionable offensive play-calling? Not the unfortunate opt-outs due to COVID? Not the salary cap predicament from kicking the can down the road to extend Brady's window?

The culture, the head coach, and the general manger are completely fine. If this team can find a serviceable QB of the future and use their salary/draft capital to add talent, they'll be contending again in no time.

Fact remains, they're a few plays away from having 4-6 wins despite all the obstacles they've faced and the lack of talent in a lot of places.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

Luck lasted 86 games. The colts made the playoffs 10 straight years before tanking. Luck won 4 playoff games in his entire career.

That hindsight is 20/20 is incredibly strong with this one. He was by far the best QB, a franchise QB which he was coming out of the draft and he proved that. Indy was 2-14 and they went 11-5 with Luck as a rookie. Please.

 

[sb1]

Kraft would not fire Bill. Regardless of the results at the end of the season.

We’ll see.

This team without both Brady and Bill... yikes.

 

[Kontradiction]

That hindsight is 20/20 is incredibly strong with this one. He was by far the best QB, a franchise QB which he was coming out of the draft and he proved that. Indy was 2-14 and they went 11-5 with Luck as a rookie. Please.

Not to mention that sucking for Luck was NOT the reason that team didn’t win a title. It also did not destroy Indy’s culture at all.

 

[SBLIII]

They have a lot of youth, good building blocks and the most cap room in the nfl next year

they lack top end talent entirely. A full rebuild is coming.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

It definitely didn’t help Indy when they tanked for Luck, right? What in the world are you smoking? Not to be an ass, but Jesus. Luck was worth the tanking.

No, he was not. Peyton Manning, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Sydney Crosby.... those are #1 overall's that would've been worth a tanked season. Luck had similar hype but wasn't anywhere near an elite QB when he was active. Under him the Colts were a 'midcarder' at best, one afcc appearance where they got smoked.

 

[slash83]

With Atlanta, Vikings and bengals winning this week and hopefully the chargers beat Denver, we are now drafting in the top 10. Just got to lose 9 more straight games.
Hello mr. Lawrence.

If we lose next week and give the Jets their first win it would be big.

 

[sb1]

Colts didn’t tank for Luck they were just trash.

 

[Tony2046]

If he doesn't fumble, we may have won.. It sucks but no matter what happens. Hope he keeps his head up. I also don't like people who bash him for his fashion sense. Not all men need to dress like the stereotypical "man".

If he doesn't wear a flannel shirt and a John Deer cap during the next press conference I'm cutting him from my fantasy football team.

 

[SBLIII]

No, he was not. Peyton Manning, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Sydney Crosby.... those are #1 overall's that would've been worth a tanked season. Luck had similar hype but wasn't anywhere near an elite QB when he was active. Under him the Colts were a 'midcarder' at best, one afcc appearance where they got smoked.

Luck was an elite QB. Not the best but he was very good.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Luck was an elite QB. Not the best but he was very good.

Eh, he was probably top 10 but at no point did i feel he was anywhere near Brady / Manning / Rodgers / Brees. No way was he elite, 2nd tier perhaps.

 

[catent]

Kraft would not fire Bill. Regardless of the results at the end of the season.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong and needs to take a deep breath and step back.

Can you imagine how monumentally stupid Kraft would be to fire a coach who has won a Super Bowl in 30% of the seasons he's coached in New England?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

It makes a lot of sense, actually. You want to be a 8-8 team out of the playoffs that drafts in the middle of the pack, or 3-13 out of the playoffs that drafts in the top 5? You tell me.

All depends on the type of draft and what needs we have. Obviously this year I would take the worse record since it looks like a very good qb draft and we need a qb.

 

[Kontradiction]

Colts didn’t tank for Luck they were just trash.

They didn’t give themselves any chances to win either. Curtis Painter started games for them FFS. We’re trash too this year. Unless you believe that this team is going to reel off 8-9 straight, winning games this season serves no purpose whatsoever. There’s literally no positives to it.

 

[Ring 6]

It's really strange to see folks dumping on Belichick and the team's culture right now. Like, of all the things to critique, that's what you choose?

Not the lack of talent in the defensive front-7? Not the lack of offensive playmakers? Not the questionable offensive play-calling? Not the unfortunate opt-outs due to COVID? Not the salary cap predicament from kicking the can down the road to extend Brady's window?

The culture, the head coach, and the general manger are completely fine. If this team can find a serviceable QB of the future and use their salary/draft capital to add talent, they'll be contending again in no time.

Fact remains, they're a few plays away from 6-1 despite all the obstacles they've faced, and the lack of talent in a lot of places.

Last year when you look back if Brady was replaced with an average QB they would have been 12-4 or 11-5. The only win that wasn’t a blowout or predicated by defense was the second bills game.
This year if there was average QB play they would be 5-2 or 6-1 because average QB play wins this game, the Denver game, and the Seattle game against the worst defense in the league, and maybe the kc game. We have gotten possibly the worst QB play in the nfl this year.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Eh, he was probably top 10 but at no point did i feel he was anywhere near Brady / Manning / Rodgers / Brees. No way was he elite, 2nd tier perhaps.

I’ll always wonder what could’ve been had he not gotten stuck with grigson. Criminal that Indy neglected the OL until it was too late.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

No, he was not. Peyton Manning, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Sydney Crosby.... those are #1 overall's that would've been worth a tanked season. Luck had similar hype but wasn't anywhere near an elite QB when he was active. Under him the Colts were a 'midcarder

Nope, he was definitely worth the tanking. Again, you have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight. I honestly cannot believe I’m even having this conversation. Luck was an unanimous #1 who was worth tanking for because of Peyton’s injury. Not every #1 will get you Super Bowls, but they’re more likely to get you into the conversation with the talent you surround them with. Luck had awful OLines he had to deal with his whole career.