N'Keal Harry (lack of) Progress Report

[PatsBoy12]

Perhaps the Patriots should try drafting the obvious Size/Speed/Production guys instead out smarting themselves by drafting guys that fits their system but lack ability.

You know what's really frustrating about that... many people, in the media and this forum, felt Deebo Samuel was a combination - a perfect fit for our offense AND had ability! Yet, they still went for Harry.

 

[DaBruinz]

Pittsburgh hits regularly in their WR picks.
We are not in their league when it comes to drafting LB and WR.
Wheaton and Bryant (who you cited as both flashes in the pan) individually have had better careers than Dobson, Boyce, Ebert, Gallon, Lucien, and Harry COMBINED.
One of the reasons some of their receivers don’t finish out their contract or go on to a 2nd contract is because they seem to have a draft pipeline. They simply trade out a 4th year player making peanuts for a rookie making peanuts but under contract for another 4 years.

You took away ANY sort of credibility you might have had by attempting to compare longshot picks like Ebert, Gallon and Lucien to the likes of Wheaton and Bryant.

The fact is that Pittsburgh uses significantly more draft capital on WRs than the Patriots. 6 top 3 round picks compared to 2 in the same period.

People like you whine about the Pats drafting of WRs and hang on to Steeler flashes like Bryant and Wheaton, but you would be the first ones calling them a BUST for not getting a 2nd contract. Because that's exactly what people are doing here.

 

[DaBruinz]

We drafted a receiver, in the first round, whose major knock on his game was he couldn't get seperation... yeah not like that is important for a WR

Kinda like drafting a QB, in the first round, whose major knock on his game was he couldn't throw the ball accurately *cough* Tim Tebow *cough*... not like that is important for a QB.

I Love when people put up false narratives about players. The biggest knock on Harry was NOT the amount of separation he got in college. It was how raw he was and the lack of refined route running.

As others pointed out before, Harry was actually getting good separation. He was ranked 27th with 3.7 Yards of Separation after 3 games. Now, if you have something concrete that shows that he's not getting separation (such as the actual stat) please feel free to share with the class.

 

[203Pat]

You know what's really frustrating about that... many people, in the media and this forum, felt Deebo Samuel was a combination - a perfect fit for our offense AND had ability! Yet, they still went for Harry.

This is what drives me crazy. Deebo just looked like the perfect Patriot. Quick and versatile. Instead we went with Harry who just didn't look like a Patriots receiver at the time and definitely hasn't fit.

 

[Kontradiction]

Doesn't strike me either as racist or as idiotic. Cam is black and he's a quarterback (or was). Black quarterbacks are typically more athletic, and their manner of play reasonably and responsibly enough reflects this fact. Could be genetic, could be the result of expectations coming up. I don't know, and I don't care. Some of you need to head on over to the Oprah forum where your breathless, ideological panty-twisting will be appreciated.

Yeah... you definitely don’t care. That’s why you’re replying. And it’s an idiotic take because one would expect a black quarterback to have a ton of designed runs, which isn’t happening here. At least not since the first 3 weeks of the season. You might have missed that point though because you’re a complete and utter dumbass.

 

[PittPatriot]

You took away ANY sort of credibility you might have had by attempting to compare longshot picks like Ebert, Gallon and Lucien to the likes of Wheaton and Bryant.

The fact is that Pittsburgh uses significantly more draft capital on WRs than the Patriots. 6 top 3 round picks compared to 2 in the same period.

People like you whine about the Pats drafting of WRs and hang on to Steeler flashes like Bryant and Wheaton, but you would be the first ones calling them a BUST for not getting a 2nd contract. Because that's exactly what people are doing here.

I was simply disagreeing with calling serviceable players like Wheaton and Bryant who you called “flashes” incorrectly.
Nobody expect Ebert, Gallon and Lucien to contribute.
we did expect Price, Dobson, Boyce, Chad Jackson, or Harry to be contributors.
...and we can poll the site members and mods about who has more “credibility,” @DaBruinz. You are incapable of being critical of the Pats.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Perhaps the Patriots should try drafting the obvious Size/Speed/Production guys instead out smarting themselves by drafting guys that fits their system but lack ability.

What was their reason for passing on the new MegaTron?

 

[Kontradiction]

I Love when people put up false narratives about players. The biggest knock on Harry was NOT the amount of separation he got in college. It was how raw he was and the lack of refined route running.

As others pointed out before, Harry was actually getting good separation. He was ranked 27th with 3.7 Yards of Separation after 3 games. Now, if you have something concrete that shows that he's not getting separation (such as the actual stat) please feel free to share with the class.

2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N’Keal Harry – WalterFootball

www.walterfootball.com

Weaknesses:

Won't separate from NFL corners with route-running

The Draft Network

TDN

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Separation Quickness - Overall explosiveness and burst are missing out of the break. Never going to be a consistent separator from press man coverage, but does show the ability to break hard and decisively after pushing vertical. One speed receiver without the ability to change gears in an instant, but I love that he makes his cuts at full speed without throttling down.

Speed/Burst - Doesn't get to top speed quickly, and even when he gets there, it isn't much to write home about. I don't know what he'll test, but he doesn't play fast. Vertical separation against man coverage just doesn't happen.

N'Keal Harry NFL Draft profile: Everything to know about pro day, measurements, strengths, team fits

N'Keal Harry is one of the most physical wide receives in this draft class

www.cbssports.com

He ran a 4.53 40-yard time at the combine but there are questions about his ability to separate as well as his deep speed.

The big concern is with his ability to separate, but he regularly wins the contested-catch battle.

BleacherReport’s bio. Link won’t post for some reason.

WEAKNESSES

—Isn't exceptionally fast and can struggle at times to separate with speed.

—Allows coverage to hang too close and relies on back-shoulder and contested catches too often.

—Can struggle at times to sink his hips and play with good lower-body flexibility in his route tree.

—Will be typecast as a possession receiver due to lack of top-end speed.

So... you were saying?

 

[TinhWoodhead]

sounds like 1st round prospect fo sure

 

[Kontradiction]

sounds like 1st round prospect fo sure

Maybe for a tight end. Definitely not an X or Z.

 

[Triumph]

We drafted a receiver, in the first round, whose major knock on his game was he couldn't get seperation... yeah not like that is important for a WR

Kinda like drafting a QB, in the first round, whose major knock on his game was he couldn't throw the ball accurately *cough* Tim Tebow *cough*... not like that is important for a QB.

Dead on the money.

The Homers will argue otherwise.

Harry has some limitations for the NFL due to a lack of speed. He will never be a separation receiver who can get open against NFL cornerbacks. He is going to constantly struggle to find space from man coverage, as the defenders will be able to run with him easily and keep him from getting open. Thus, he won't be a threat to stretch the field with speed, he will struggle to get open underneath, and he is not explosive enough to get separation via route-running. 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N'Keal Harry

N’Keal Harry is a big, physical WR with outstanding ball skills. He attacks the ball at the highest point. He surprised me at the Scouting Combine by running a 4.53 forty. He is not that fast when you watch him on film. He has a tough time creating separation and needs to improve as a route runner. He is a possession wideout at the next level. He should be drafted somewhere on day 2.

WR N’Keal Harry (Arizona State) Scouting Report – NFL Draft Blitz

 

[TheRainMaker]

2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N’Keal Harry – WalterFootball

www.walterfootball.com

The Draft Network

TDN

thedraftnetwork.com

N'Keal Harry NFL Draft profile: Everything to know about pro day, measurements, strengths, team fits

N'Keal Harry is one of the most physical wide receives in this draft class

www.cbssports.com

BleacherReport’s bio. Link won’t post for some reason.



So... you were saying?

 

[Kontradiction]

Dead on the money.

The Homers will argue otherwise.

Harry has some limitations for the NFL due to a lack of speed. He will never be a separation receiver who can get open against NFL cornerbacks. He is going to constantly struggle to find space from man coverage, as the defenders will be able to run with him easily and keep him from getting open. Thus, he won't be a threat to stretch the field with speed, he will struggle to get open underneath, and he is not explosive enough to get separation via route-running. 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N'Keal Harry

N’Keal Harry is a big, physical WR with outstanding ball skills. He attacks the ball at the highest point. He surprised me at the Scouting Combine by running a 4.53 forty. He is not that fast when you watch him on film. He has a tough time creating separation and needs to improve as a route runner. He is a possession wideout at the next level. He should be drafted somewhere on day 2.

WR N’Keal Harry (Arizona State) Scouting Report – NFL Draft Blitz

 

[Triumph]

This messageboard could find at least 1 WR worth keeping if given the chance.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I guess i read completely different draft profiles, but the majority all highlighted one of Harry's weaknesses was inability to get separation against decent competition. Not sure how that's a false narrative when I've seen over half a dozen profiles say just that.

 

[Kontradiction]

I guess i read completely different draft profiles, but the majority all highlighted one of Harry's weaknesses was inability to get separation against decent competition. Not sure how that's a false narrative when I've seen over half a dozen profiles say just that.

That’s because it’s not a false narrative. I legitimately have no clue where he was going with that argument. As if this information isn’t still publicly available within 3 seconds.

 

[Boomer B]

2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N’Keal Harry – WalterFootball

www.walterfootball.com

The Draft Network

TDN

thedraftnetwork.com

N'Keal Harry NFL Draft profile: Everything to know about pro day, measurements, strengths, team fits

N'Keal Harry is one of the most physical wide receives in this draft class

www.cbssports.com

BleacherReport’s bio. Link won’t post for some reason.



So... you were saying?

 

[PatsBoy12]

Has there ever been a predraft report as spot on as Harry's?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This messageboard could find at least 1 WR worth keeping if given the chance.

I would rather have Mike Reiss do the drafting...he's hit on a number of picks.

 

[Brewskies]

I am not local. Has there been a concussion report on Harry as of now? Thank you.