Belichick: "We need more production offensively, period"

[Ring 6]

Yeah, we just need production - that's the best way to put it.

Tune-up Cam's mechanics again, get the OL healthy, get the ball in Zuber's hands more. Work Gunner into the slot a bit more and try to get him the ball on quick screens. Byrd has been consistent, so keep looking his way. Harry ... I don't know. I like the idea of getting him the ball on end-arounds, screens, and fades to see if you can get him going but it's not looking good right now. Edelman is Edelman - tricky balance between squeezing the lemon to get production out of him vs. saving his body.

Outside of that, save for Asiasi/Keene making an appearance, there isn't a lot to work with. A trade is basically necessary at this point, and good god does the personnel department need to re-evaluate their drafting of WRs in every sense.

I don’t think the answer is to rely on guys who aren’t very good just because they are on the roster and we haven’t seen much of them.
Focus on establishing the run. Set up passing opportunities. Use the most talented receivers you have, Harry, Edelman and white to get the majority of the 20-25 targets as a simple read off play action, and/or taking advantage of a stacked box.
Control the LOS, control the clock, keep the defense off the forks and fresh so it can dominate.

 

[Ring 6]

NFL Writer Links Patriots To Two Receivers Ahead Of Trade Deadline - NESN.com

Could the New England Patriots target Atlanta Falcons' Julio Jones or Cincinnati Bengals' A.J. Green at the trade deadline?

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Probably nothing we don't already know but either of these guys would be a nice upgrade if they're available. Also looks like we have some competition too for receivers.

Pats can contend for sure but they need help. Glad Bill sees they're not up to par right now that tells me help in some form is on the way. That Broncos game should never happen again.

Watch Chatham’s clips. When you can’t find open receivers or get the ball to them more receivers isn’t the answer.

 

[sb1]

Watch Chatham’s clips. When you can’t find open receivers or get the ball to them more receivers isn’t the answer.

It is when it stops defenses from stacking the box or attacking like Denver did. Nobody would stop this running game if the team had a vertical threat.

 

[Ring 6]

It is when it stops defenses from stacking the box or attacking like Denver did. Nobody would stop this running game if the team had a vertical threat.

We had open receivers running all over the field. Who do you think is the “vertical threat” that would make treats think newton can get them the ball if they are open to the point they would be more worried about that that a 200-250 yard running game?
The best deep threat combo is lucky to connect deep once a game on average, defenses aren’t going to weaken the run d to worry about that with a qb who isn’t likely to hit it. Any nfl wr can get open deep a couple of times a game if you force them to play the run. Byrd did it last week and newton couldn’t get him the ball.

 

[Bradybranch]

I will be honest, and pardon me for being pessimistic here, but I don't think Belichick ever wanted to content this year. I mean, we avoided talented players at all positions left and right in free agency like they are the plague for a reason, and it is not because he thinks Ryan Izzo can help him get to a superbowl. With all the talent exodus we had in free agency and covid opt out, add in the fact that we have, shall we say, not drafted particularly well the last few years, this team just doesn't have the talent needed to make a superbowl run. It just feels like Belichick's primary goal for the season is to do our best, force feed Michel/Harry/whatever other young players they have and hope they can grow, then try to compete next year.

They didn't even know about the covid opt outs until the last minute, so that wouldn't have had any effect on the offseason plan.

 

[Ring 6]

I will be honest, and pardon me for being pessimistic here, but I don't think Belichick ever wanted to content this year. I mean, we avoided talented players at all positions left and right in free agency like they are the plague for a reason, and it is not because he thinks Ryan Izzo can help him get to a superbowl. With all the talent exodus we had in free agency and covid opt out, add in the fact that we have, shall we say, not drafted particularly well the last few years, this team just doesn't have the talent needed to make a superbowl run. It just feels like Belichick's primary goal for the season is to do our best, force feed Michel/Harry/whatever other young players they have and hope they can grow, then try to compete next year.

First of all that is 100% inconsistent with anything belichick has ever done.
Secondly concluding that a team within zero cap space didn’t sign free agents because they didn’t want to win is ridiculous. How did you expect him
To sign these free agents with no money?
This team is more talented than the 2001 team he won a SB with. Why in the world would he coach a season not wanting to win?

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Watch Chatham’s clips. When you can’t find open receivers or get the ball to them more receivers isn’t the answer.

how about more talented receivers being the answer? I do not disagree that Cam missed some open receivers(I think he was rusty from not practicing and being out), but we have had all of last year and up to this point to see these offensive weapons for the pats are not the answer. To me BB and/or the scouting staff missed badly on not drafting at least one of these receivers actually doing something in the NFL now.

 

[PScottman]

Team game. ALL of the parts have to work and execute, in tandem, to be successful. Watching the All-22 like this there is ZERO instance of "nobody was open"/"the Pats players suck" evidenced (video evidence), instead you had either immediate pressure, the QB looking and not throwing/avoiding said pressure, a poor play call against a particular defense, etc. Multiple reasons OTHER than the "no separation" meme that is now the most favorite of the board.

This isn't to say that the Patriots skill players are the best in the league either. What it is saying is that when the overall talent of the team is down (which it is this year due to many reasons) and that talent level is further degraded by injuries and no practice; execution of an entire play from the center snap to the tackle by the opposing team has to be AT LEAST fundamentally sound repeatedly to drive down the field and score. All it takes is for one aspect of the entirety of that unit, one time out of that series of events to not perform, and the offense doesn't work.

The entire offense didn't work Sunday. Play one was an OL error, Play five the QB. Play eight the coaching staff. Play ten the WR or TE and so on and so on. Changing "one thing" (the WRs) isn't going to miraculously resolve the issue.

 

[n6249c]

I don't see him calling out the TE position. From the article it looks like they asked about the TE position. This doesn't mean anything.

BB will always look to see what's available at the trade deadline and if he thinks something is a good trade he'll do it.

BB mentioned TE, this is a quote from that article:

“‘I think we probably had more production out of the tight end position in this game than we’ve had all year.’

That last part is both accurate and highly problematic for New England’s offense.

Ryan Izzo caught three passes on three targets for 38 yards against the Broncos, equaling his previous season total in the first category and nearly matching it in the third.”

 

[n6249c]

I do not recall ever hearing Bill talk like this. This surprises me quite a bit. Not sure this will give him great leverage in trade talks. Other teams will understand the desperation. Usually Bill is a bit more reserved.

I think Josh should be reading this as aimed directly at him.

TEs have been ignored. Izzo has a handful of targets. Asiasi has no targets. Keene has yet to be active on game day.

offense was very poorly prepared last week. That’s on the OC and his staff. Lack of practice is no excuse for mental errors and sloppiness.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

@PScottman i agree but you stop getting production out of your offensive "weapons" last year as well. I looked at last week's game as just a bad game, but the offense needs help. They needed help before this Denver game. They needed help in week 1, they needed help in the draft and they needed help in the first round of the playoffs last year. Especially if certain parts of your offense doesn't click for that particular game....sometimes players just make plays. After Newton you do not have that on offense.

 

[Ring 6]

how about more talented receivers being the answer? I do not disagree that Cam missed some open receivers(I think he was rusty from not practicing and being out), but we have had all of last year and up to this point to see these offensive weapons for the pats are not the answer. To me BB and/or the scouting staff missed badly on not drafting at least one of these receivers actually doing something in the NFL now.

What would they be doing here? Chatham showed a clip of wide open receivers in many plays, getting open isn’t the problem.
What receivers are you talking about that were missed?
Last year the patriots were 12-4 and 8th in the nfl in passing FYI.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

What would they be doing here? Chatham showed a clip of wide open receivers in many plays, getting open isn’t the problem.
What receivers are you talking about that were missed?
Last year the patriots were 12-4 and 8th in the nfl in passing FYI.

Patriots should regret passing on these WRs to draft N'Keal Harry in 2019

N'Keal Harry's zero-catch performance against Denver was the latest disappointment for a receiver who hasn't been able to equal the production of other receivers taken much later than him in the 2019 NFL Draft.

sports.yahoo.com

To your first sentence here^^^

I agree that last week's game was more on the QB then the lack of weapons although Izzo fumbling that ball had nothing to do with Cam, or the oline. It appeared that imaginary ghost help punched the ball out of his arms. The overall problem has always been the offense.

Did you forget what the last few games were like last year? Do you remember watching the Tenn game in the playoffs last year, offensively. In general we know when the pats pull out "trick" plays It's to get something generated on offense. We as fans have been seeing that a lot lately from how last year ended to now.

 

[Jimke]

you need to delegate someone else to draft offensive skilled positions...period

The most correct statement that I have read on this forum.

 

[Love The Drake]

Should Belichick help out more with the offense?
I tell you what McDaniels is crapping a head coach Job away.

 

[Ring 6]

Patriots should regret passing on these WRs to draft N'Keal Harry in 2019

N'Keal Harry's zero-catch performance against Denver was the latest disappointment for a receiver who hasn't been able to equal the production of other receivers taken much later than him in the 2019 NFL Draft.

sports.yahoo.com

To your first sentence here^^^

I agree that last week's game was more on the QB then the lack of weapons although Izzo fumbling that ball had nothing to do with Cam, or the oline. It appeared that imaginary ghost help punched the ball out of his arms. The overall problem has always been the offense.

Did you forget what the last few games were like last year? Do you remember watching the Tenn game in the playoffs last year, offensively. In general we know when the pats pull out "trick" plays It's to get something generated on offense. We as fans have been seeing that a lot lately from how last year ended to now.

You seem to think that not winning every game equals need more wide receivers.
Had we not been playing 3 rookie OL who should be inactive or at the end of the bench Sunday we win that game.
Wr is the one position most reverts by fans at least likely to influence winning and losing.

 

[Ring 6]

Patriots should regret passing on these WRs to draft N'Keal Harry in 2019

N'Keal Harry's zero-catch performance against Denver was the latest disappointment for a receiver who hasn't been able to equal the production of other receivers taken much later than him in the 2019 NFL Draft.

sports.yahoo.com

To your first sentence here^^^

I agree that last week's game was more on the QB then the lack of weapons although Izzo fumbling that ball had nothing to do with Cam, or the oline. It appeared that imaginary ghost help punched the ball out of his arms. The overall problem has always been the offense.

Did you forget what the last few games were like last year? Do you remember watching the Tenn game in the playoffs last year, offensively. In general we know when the pats pull out "trick" plays It's to get something generated on offense. We as fans have been seeing that a lot lately from how last year ended to now.

I’m not sure how a fluff yahoo article answers my question of what other wrs would be doing here when the wrs we have are running free and not getting ball.

 

[Ring 6]

Should Belichick help out more with the offense?
I tell you what McDaniels is crapping a head coach Job away.

You think that having your starting qb out due to covid and having to play Brian Hoyer and then playing a game with 3 rookie ol, a qb who hadn’t practiced in almost a month and a team that had 1 practice in 2 weeks are the things that damn an OC?
Interesting. How long is your list of guys who overcame those type of things?

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

I’m not sure how a fluff yahoo article answers my question of what other wrs would be doing here when the wrs we have are running free and not getting ball.

since you do not want to click on the gallery..here you go.

Deebo Samuel, 49ers​

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2 / 9

Round 2, Pick 36​

Stats: 68 receptions, 922 yards, 4 TD; 17 rush, 166 yds, 3 TD​

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Taken just four picks after Harry, Samuel has been heavily involved in the 49ers offense from the get-go, finishing his rookie season as San Francisco's second-leading receiver (behind George Kittle) in targets, catches, and yards. Samuel already has three 100-yard games on his résumé, and he's also a threat on the ground, where he scored three touchdowns last season.
The contrast between Harry and Samuel was stark on Sunday: while Harry was held without a catch, Samuel sealed the Niners' win with a play that Kyle Shanahan described "as impressive a run as I've ever seen."

A.J. Brown, Titans​

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3 / 9

Round 2, Pick 51​

Stats: 69 receptions, 1,228 yards, 11 TD​

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All Titans wideout A.J. Brown did in his rookie season was turn into one of the most dangerous deep threats in the league, finishing second in the league with an impressive 20.2 yards per reception, over 1,000 receiving yards and eight touchdowns.

Mecole Hardman, Chiefs​

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4 / 9

Round 2, Pick 56​

Stats: 39 receptions, 732 yards, 8 TD; 34 kickoff returns, 25.1 yds/KO return, TD​

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Hardman has fit right into the Chiefs' dynamic attack as a playmaker for Patrick Mahomes. Though he only has nine more receptions than N'Keal Harry, he has 461 more yards than the Patriots WR thanks to his great speed.
He's also a special teams standout, finishing his rookie campaign as the sixth-ranked ranked kickoff returner (over 26 yards per return, including a 104-yard TD return) and the fifth-ranked punt returner in the league.

DK Metcalf, Seahawks​

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5 / 9

Round 2, Pick 64​

Stats: 80 receptions, 1,396 yards, 12 TD​

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No receiver from the 2019 draft class has found the end zone as often as the 6-foot-4, 230-pound Metcalf, whom Russell Wilson is already describing as "one of the best receivers in the game."
After racking up 900 yards in his first season, Metcalf is on pace to smash that in his sophomore season, leading the league in yards per reception (22.5 yards) and ranking sixth in yardage (496) through six weeks. The scary part for the rest of the league? Metcalf didn't play much at Ole Miss, so his raw talents are still developing.

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Curran: Is it worth it for Pats to deal for a WR this season?​

Diontae Johnson, Steelers​

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6 / 9

Round 3, Pick 66​

Stats: 74 receptions, 827 yards, 6 TD​

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After finishing his rookie season as the Steelers' second-leading receiver, Johnson was developing some good chemistry with Ben Roethlisberger to start this season (14 receptions on 23 targets for 149 yards in two games) before getting sidelined with several injuries.
Johnson was also impactful on special teams as a rookie, when he led the league with a 12.4 yard average on punt returns and was named to the All-Pro Second Team as a punt return specialist.

Terry McLaurin, Washington Football Team​

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7 / 9

Round 3, Pick 76​

Stats: 94 receptions, 1,406 yards, 8 TD​

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No receiver drafted in 2019 has filled up the stat sheet like McLaurin, who has been Washington's top wideout from Week 1. The former Ohio State standout accumulated more yardage in the first four games of his rookie season than N'Keal Harry has to this point of his career.

Hunter Renfrow, Raiders​

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8 / 9

Round 5, Pick 149​

Stats: 66 receptions, 846 yards, 5 TD​

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When Hunter Renfrow was going through the pre-draft process, many pegged him as a prototypical Patriot -- and the Clemson star was all for it, saying he would love to be a Patriot and that he had a dream where he was playing alongside Tom Brady.
He finally came off the board near the top of Round 5. Renfrow finished his rookie season with back-to-back 100-yard games, two more than Harry, whose career high is only 72 yards in a game.

Darius Slayton, Giants​

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9 / 9

Round 5, Pick 171​

Stats: 73 receptions, 1,146 yards, 11 TD​

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Perhaps the best bang-for-your-buck selection of the 28 wide receivers drafted in 2019, Slayton was taken with the third-to-last pick of Round 5 -- and continues to use that as motivation.
Slayton's eight touchdowns last year were the most by a rookie receiver taken in the fifth round or later since Marques Colston in 2006 -- and he's the Giants' top target again this season, tacking on two more 100-yard games in six weeks.



and 1 game of "running free and the QB not getting them the ball" does not explains again the overall lack of production from your wide receivers and tight ends especially the way last year ended to now... Do you wanna check where they rank in passing years this year? OR it's all on Newton?


Week 1, Newton gets the ball to Harry deep in dolphins territory he fumbles the ball allowing the dolphins to get back into the game., Edelman in the chiefs game lets the ball tip out his hands into a chiefs defender hands for a pick six.. I am just saying

 

[Run DMC]

So now it is finally occurring to BB that the offense blows? Hello?! He's about 3 years overdue for this revelation from Mt Olympus! Worst offense in the NFL two years running, and possibly 3 . Who the hell is picking their offensive skill players in the draft? Fire that chimp, immediately!