OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[upstater1]

Brady threw a bad INT but even that might more a matter of not clicking with his WRs. You can see Watson stem it toward the sideline instead of coming back to the ball. Brady shouldn't have thrown it.

But Brady made a few really good throws in the 1st half too. That first ball to Evans was thrown on a rope between multiple DBs in a place only Evans could catch it.

1st half just looked to me like typical Brady throwing short passes to soften a defense up.

I've seen it so many times before and it was obvious that San Diego's vaunted pass rush couldn't get to him much in the second half, so he went long. All those runs in the first half set up San Diego's D to bite on play action.

San Diego's coaches did not do a good job.

 

[ralmat55]

“Top level talent”. From 2007 until 2018, poor talented player deprived Tom Brady had a receiver to throw to who made the NFL’s list of the 100 greatest players in NFL history plus a couple of guys named Wes Welker and Julian Edelman.

 

[Kontradiction]

Meanwhile, our starting QB caught Covid and we’re about to get our cheeks clapped up on national television tomorrow night and fall to .500.

 

[upstater1]

“Top level talent”. From 2007 until 2018, poor talented player deprived Tom Brady had a receiver to throw to who made the NFL’s list of the 100 greatest players in NFL history plus a couple of guys named Wes Welker and Julian Edelman.

Seriously?

This is not a good take.

The Brady Moss connection was one year. 2007.

& it was a historic year as Moss broke WR records and the offense scored a gazillion points and the team became the first and only team to win 16 regular season games.

It pretty much showed that Brady's numbers would have been stratospheric with the likes of receivers like Evans and Godwin.

Brady did have a lot of help in the Welker/Gronk/Hernandez era, even though one of these players always seemed to be hurt.

Other than 2007 and 2011-2013, he didn't have a great receiving core.

Gronk and Edelman also seemed to trade injury years during the last 3 Super Bowl wins. We relied on Chris Hogan, Amendola and Mitchell in those 3 wins.

 

[Shockt327]

If they start clicking on all cylinders for 4 quarters, it will be blistering. It does beg the question what Brady's career might have looked like if Bill actually surround him top level talent for the majority if his career like Manning had.

I agree with everything except the "top level talent" part....

Even when Moss was in NE, Brady's deep ball (and touch passes) weren't as consistently good as they are now in Tampa this year. I think today's game vs LAC was actually Brady's most inconsistent 'deep-ball' performance in Tampa, so far, and he was still dropping it in the bucket & doing far more than he typically did in NE (especially in the 2nd half). I'm honestly beginning to question if Belichick/McDaniels just didn't have Brady practice it enough. Arians clearly does.

Also, -- it doesn't happen that often -- but I can't tell you how many times I've seen Brady dropback and look deep and it just makes me cringe - even before I know the result - because it seems so low-percentage (for Brady). Well, I had that feeling more than once today and, fortunately, I was completely wrong. Brady nailed it on those touch passes. It brought them back into the game, too. Again, I rarely saw this in NE.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

This Brady guy is pretty good. Wish he was our QB!

 

[LuRkeR1978]

Gronk and Edelman also seemed to trade injury years during the last 3 Super Bowl wins. We relied on Chris Hogan, Amendola and Mitchell in those 3 wins.

All 3(Gronk, Edelman, and Amendola) were healthy in 2014 and they scored 28 points on the Legion of Boom.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

why is there someone on the bucs forum called "Patsfanrootingforthebucs"

 

[Kontradiction]

why is there someone on the bucs forum called "Patsfanrootingforthebucs"

That’s @Deus Irae

 

[amfootball]

I agree with everything except the "top level talent" part....

Even when Moss was in NE, Brady's deep ball (and touch passes) weren't as consistently good as they are now in Tampa this year. I think today's game vs LAC was actually Brady's most inconsistent 'deep-ball' performance in Tampa, so far, and he was still dropping it in the bucket & doing far more than he typically did in NE (especially in the 2nd half). I'm honestly beginning to question if Belichick/McDaniels just didn't have Brady practice it enough. Arians clearly does.

Also, -- it doesn't happen that often -- but I can't tell you how many times I've seen Brady dropback and look deep and it just makes me cringe - even before I know the result - because it seems so low-percentage (for Brady). Well, I had that feeling more than once today and, fortunately, I was completely wrong. Brady nailed it on those touch passes. It brought them back into the game, too. Again, I rarely saw this in NE.

I disagree. Brady's deep ball in 2007 was the best in the game. He wasn't just throwing to Moss either but also Stallworth, Welker and Gaffney. That season was the best season by any QB I have ever seen. He led comebacks in 3 of the 16 wins to preserve the perfect regular season capped off with the comeback vs the ferocious Giants D.

I don't think it is a matter of coaching but weapons. Brady is a high percentage thrower that is what has made him the winningest QB in NFL history. He is not going to throw low percentages. With Tampa, the long ball is such high percentage because the receivers are either open or able to make the difficult catch or draw DPI. That is the difference IMO.

 

[upstater1]

I agree with everything except the "top level talent" part....

Even when Moss was in NE, Brady's deep ball (and touch passes) weren't as consistently good as they are now in Tampa this year. I think today's game vs LAC was actually Brady's most inconsistent 'deep-ball' performance in Tampa, so far, and he was still dropping it in the bucket & doing far more than he typically did in NE (especially in the 2nd half). I'm honestly beginning to question if Belichick/McDaniels just didn't have Brady practice it enough. Arians clearly does.

Also, -- it doesn't happen that often -- but I can't tell you how many times I've seen Brady dropback and look deep and it just makes me cringe - even before I know the result - because it seems so low-percentage (for Brady). Well, I had that feeling more than once today and, fortunately, I was completely wrong. Brady nailed it on those touch passes. It brought them back into the game, too. Again, I rarely saw this in NE.

I've been saying for years that you need a speedy WR that can track and adjust to a ball thrown 50 yards downfield.

I've watched QBs in skills competitions, with no pads on, with no pass rush in their face, and they are not able to get that ball in a 2 or 3 yard window downfield.

Most of them just put it up and expect their receivers to grab the ball within that window,

 

[lancerman]

That’s @Deus Irae

No it’s me.

Just kidding. I need to think of a name. Any suggestions? I’m thinking “Boner4Brady”

 

[Kdo5]

This is what Joker was talking about. I can admit he had a great second half. You can't admit he had a crappy first half. There is the difference.

Who gives a ****? The totality of it is all that matters. You are twisting into a pretzel, just admit Tom played a great game and carried his team to victory. Vintage Brady.

 

[amfootball]

Who gives a ****? The totality of it is all that matters. You are twisting into a pretzel, just admit Tom played a great game and carried his team to victory. Vintage Brady.

I was upset that Bill did not sign him but after watching him light it up with the Bucs I am glad he moved on to a place where he can shine. Still wish he was a Pat but happy for him nonetheless.

 

[PatsBoy12]

 

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[Deus Irae]

Meanwhile, our starting QB caught Covid and we’re about to get our cheeks clapped up on national television tomorrow night and fall to .500.

It's OK. It's not as if Buffalo's gotten off to a good start, or anything problematic like that.