Extend Newton

[cmasspatsfan]

Cam looks unbelievable. the only worry is health. if he can stay healthy we will win a lot more games than we lose.

I think 10-6 or 11-5 and playoffs are a good possibility. He's better than I thought, I can't believe no one else grabbed him, especially for the salary he got.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Finding good quarterbacks is NOT easy. If Newton's health stays good, NE definitely needs to heavily consider it. I'm all in.

i think the deal was for him to come in on a one year "prove it" deal and then get a new contract from someone in the off season. It worked for BB and would give Stidham another year to learn. They still think very high of him. If they weren't going to pay Brady $20-30-40M, then they wont pay Cam that much either. He does look good though so it will be interesting to see what BB does

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

i think the deal was for him to come in on a one year "prove it" deal and then get a new contract from someone in the off season. It worked for BB and would give Stidham another year to learn. They still think very high of him. If they weren't going to pay Brady $20-30-40M, then they wont pay Cam that much either. He does look good though so it will be interesting to see what BB does

The thing is, Cam is also 10+ years younger than Brady. I can understand being very hesitant extending a 42-43 year old man even if he's the GOAT. I think eventually we're going to need to pay somebody to do the job even if its a little expensive. Stid might end up becoming a good quarterback who knows, but his chances of being as good as Cam Newton are likely low. Also, to me Cam looks healthy however I guess it's hard to officially declare at the moment. With that said, I think an extension for 3 or so seasons would be the right decision because passing up on the potential of 3 more years of good QB play seems risky if you decide to roll with somebody who might never be that guy.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The thing is, Cam is also 10+ years younger than Brady. I can understand being very hesitant extending a 42-43 year old man even if he's the GOAT. I think eventually we're going to need to pay somebody to do the job even if its a little expensive. Stid might end up becoming a good quarterback who knows, but his chances of being as good as Cam Newton are likely low. Also, to me Cam looks healthy however I guess it's hard to officially declare at the moment. With that said, I think an extension for 3 or so seasons would be the right decision because passing up on the potential of 3 more years of good QB play seems risky if you decide to roll with somebody who might never be that guy.

The problem is that you don't generally make it to 40 as a "dual-threat" QB. (Brady barely made TB1K. Peyton Manning didn't, and Drew Brees probably won't make it there either.) Few of them make it to 35.

 

[Ring 6]

And considering he won an MVP throwing 92% from the pocket(which you said I made up) I’d say he showed he could throw from the pocket quite well. It was obvious then as it is now. You hadn’t watched Cam much at all. Anyone who has knew he could do exactly what he did then, and has showed now.

You’re exactly right. Accuracy and Cmp% are not the same thing. Which is what I tried to tell you when you just kept posting stats and calling any attempt at context as excuses. Unless it was Tom Brady. Then any and all excuses are allowed.

Again we totally disagree. There is no point in arguing.

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly. What's the rush?

A lot of yards in a loss isn’t what the dynasty was built on.
He had a good game, but it’s too early to conclude how he fits here. Really playoffs and late season seeding are what we need to make decisions on

I don't know what game you were watching when you say things like this.

Cam made some perfect throws against extremely competitive coverage. I remember watching some of the windows he fit the ball into and thinking, "that looked like a Russell Wilson throw".

If you have concerns about his longevity, fine, but to diminish his play yesterday is beyond me. The guy quarterbacked an impeccable game of football in every regard.

Color me shocked that AJ liked your post.

Let’s hope every team tries to cover Edelman with a safety.

 

[italian pat patriot]

I was not asking more then this to Cam in the first 2 weeks

He has been so good...

If he continues in this way i am in favour...no doubt...

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

The problem is that you don't generally make it to 40 as a "dual-threat" QB. (Brady barely made TB1K. Peyton Manning didn't, and Drew Brees probably won't make it there either.) Few of them make it to 35.

I understand the health concerns, but I still think sticking with Cam Newton is the better decision if you compare our alternative. I'm going off the idea that finding good quarterbacks is not easy and it seems like (based off the data we have so far) that Cam Newton seems healthy and also is playing really well.

We gave up Brady and I'm at peace with that, but giving up a second good quarterback just because you don't want to pay them is a strategy that works until you are stuck with a bad quarterback. Also, I think 2020 Cam is better than 2019 Brady however we will see as the season goes on if this play continues.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The leverage to get a discount price, say 25M, is from a belief that Newton will be a good fit and a belief that he CAN stay healthy. Plus some goodwill that he was given a chance here.

We are starting to find out that he is a good fit. If we wait until December, we would know already that he can stay healthy.

In other words, do it now. Otherwise the price keeps going up until it reaches the FA top dollar price.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

In other words, do it now. Otherwise the price keeps going up until it reaches the FA top dollar price.

the problem is, you need two to tango. Maybe the patriots want to resign him but maybe Cam don’t. I’ll be stunned if he sign anywhere less than 30-35M with any team with the way he is playing.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

And I am not sure we have a ton a cap space next year. The salary cap will go down and I think that all of the opt out this year will comeback on the books next year. Can someone confirm that?

 

[Ring 6]

The leverage to get a discount price, say 25M, is from a belief that Newton will be a good fit and a belief that he CAN stay healthy. Plus some goodwill that he was given a chance here.

We are starting to find out that he is a good fit. If we wait until December, we would know already that he can stay healthy.

In other words, do it now. Otherwise the price keeps going up until it reaches the FA top dollar price.

Better to pay a little bit more with more certainty than a little bit less with less certainty.

 

[fnordcircle]

If he's playing this well in Nov/Dec I hope they consider it because I'd really like to see them use up as much of our current cap surplus as possible to save room against future cap years.

 

[Bill Lee]

My $0.02:

Most of the posts are about what other teams pay their QBs and what other teams would offer Cam.

Most people are probably listening to sports talk mediots too much.

Most of the posters still don't seem to understand that BB does not think like the rest of the league.

BB won't spend the going rate ($30M+) for a starting QB on Cam or anyone else.

BB will convince himself he can use $30M+ and get four or more different guys at various stages of their careers and make the whole team a lot better than spending it all on one player even a QB like Cam.

We are still one of the oldest teams in the league and there's still a lot of rebuilding to be done in the near future.

Bill ain't a stars and scrubs kind of team builder, he's a value shopper.

Cam won't see what NE did by signing him as a sign of commitment, he'll see it as them getting lucky and him out performing the low ball contract he had no option but to sign.

I'm sure Cam understands the value of the coaching and of the organization but he also knows it's probably his last big bite of the apple.

I understand his family didn't move so I don't think he's setting up roots here.

I think he sees it as a one year prove it deal and he's gonna live up to his part of the bargain then go out and see how much some other team will pay him on a nice fat contract to be in a situation he gets to choose.

Kinda like what Brady just did.

I think Cam will feel he can take whatever he learned from playing here and take it with him to his next opportunity, just like Brady just did.

I think a lot of people need to internalize that the most likely outcome is still Cam playing one year here then testing the market.

 

[upstater1]

I understand the health concerns, but I still think sticking with Cam Newton is the better decision if you compare our alternative. I'm going off the idea that finding good quarterbacks is not easy and it seems like (based off the data we have so far) that Cam Newton seems healthy and also is playing really well.

We gave up Brady and I'm at peace with that, but giving up a second good quarterback just because you don't want to pay them is a strategy that works until you are stuck with a bad quarterback. Also, I think 2020 Cam is better than 2019 Brady however we will see as the season goes on if this play continues.

In a normal year I'd agree. QBs are like gold. Of course you stick with them. But we're going into a year of Covid ramifications, with a much lower cap, many teams up against it, everyone is going to be cutting players, star players, left and right. & our stars sitting out the year are probably going to have to negotiate different salaries. With so many teams cutting star players, who is going to have the money for Cam?

Belichick is sitting in the catbird's seat (whatever that means). He is dictating to everyone who is going to play for the Patriots and how much they are going to get paid, the rest of the league be damned.

 

[Brewskies]

Why extend him now? He will be with the Pat's through the season. Some fans are too quick to jump on or off.

Go Pats. Trust BB

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I hope you are right. But this partnership in my view is the same as when we got Revis on the

In a normal year I'd agree. QBs are like gold. Of course you stick with them. But we're going into a year of Covid ramifications, with a much lower cap, many teams up against it, everyone is going to be cutting players, star players, left and right. & our stars sitting out the year are probably going to have to negotiate different salaries. With so many teams cutting star players, who is going to have the money for Cam?

Belichick is sitting in the catbird's seat (whatever that means). He is dictating to everyone who is going to play for the Patriots and how much they are going to get paid, the rest of the league be damned.

I feel like a few teams will want to sign Cam. I'm not sure who has the cap, but with the way he's playing there are teams who will think they are only a QB away. With that said, can't believe Carolina fumbled this poorly with Newton.

 

[Boomer B]

It’s 2 games, pump the brakes. Cam has looked good but last night he played a zone based D (which is much better for our WR as we don’t separate well against man) who were depleted in the secondary. He also has an injury history and takes a lot of hits.

I like what I’ve seen from him but there’s no need to rush a contract. If we need to we can tag him next year.

 

[Kdo5]

i think the deal was for him to come in on a one year "prove it" deal and then get a new contract from someone in the off season. It worked for BB and would give Stidham another year to learn. They still think very high of him. If they weren't going to pay Brady $20-30-40M, then they wont pay Cam that much either. He does look good though so it will be interesting to see what BB does

QB is the exception. Newton is legit. Stidham may not even be in the league in a few years. If you have a stud top 10 QB, you keep him and pay him.

 

[Kdo5]

It’s 2 games, pump the brakes. Cam has looked good but last night he played a zone based D (which is much better for our WR as we don’t separate well against man) who were depleted in the secondary. He also has an injury history and takes a lot of hits.

I like what I’ve seen from him but there’s no need to rush a contract. If we need to we can tag him next year.

Isn't that a decent thing to do. Cam is playing for less money than Nathan Peterman. If he continues to have a big year you give him a contract. Using the franchise tag after balling out on an egregiously low salary (NFL-wise) is a slap in the face.