Report: Brady almost left after SB 52 loss to Eagles...

[lancerman]

I think JG if he stayed healthy would have gotten them to the playoffs and maybe a deep run if he went the distance that season. As for 11-5- compare that to what happened to the Colts when they had a subpar coach and they lost Manning.

1. Brady went 14-1 when he came back. Jimmy was not doing that. And that directly resulted in a SB. You should also remember that Brady was the 2nd best QB after the MVP that year and people legitimately felt Brady would have been MVP without the suspension.

2. You can’t compare the Colts situation. Cassel inherited a 16-0 team. The Colts QB inherited a 10-6 team. Cassel is still in the league as a viable back up and proved he could have a good year in KC. The Colts had a washed up old guy who was done and Painter who was the drizzling you know what. Both were quickly out of the league. So we started 6 games better and had a viable back up. Two advantages over the Colts. Plus the schedule difference which was in our favor. The Colts had a net loss of 8 games we had a net loss of 6. You had a 2 game difference there. They didn’t start even. So I would say some combo of a better QB, Belichick over Caldwell, the extremely weak schedule all contributed to the 2 game net advantage we had

 

[lancerman]

Out of 18 years as a "starting QB", his only blemish was in 2002. And he's made the playoffs 17 straight years! Those are amazing stats.

And it was a winning season with a 3 way tie keeping him out

 

[Boomer B]

Brady was kinda terrible last season. If Bill wanted to move on he had at least one good reason to do that.

Where’s the thumbs down button gone?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Where’s the thumbs down button gone?

thumbs down and disagree buttons needed....but the poster is right, Brady wasn't great last year or in 2018. His last best year was 2017. It's possible Bill saw a decline during that time period that the rest of us can't see. I mean, he only coached him for 20 years...

 

[Run DMC]

The next two years of football are going to be so enjoyable watching Belichik return back to his Cleveland form. Will he be canned if the team sucks the next two years? Brady made this guy and this team and it's going to be fun watching the homers digest their medicine. And let us not forget Jimmy G choking a lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl resulting in a bitter loss. He was not "The Answer" either. You think Brady would've lost a two score lead in the Super Bowl?! Haha.

 

[Deus Irae]

thumbs down and disagree buttons needed....but the poster is right, Brady wasn't great last year or in 2018. His last best year was 2017. It's possible Bill saw a decline during that time period that the rest of us can't see. I mean, he only coached him for 20 years...

IN 2018, Brady's QB rating was 97.7. His TD:INT ratio was 29:11. He led his team to a SB win.

 

[PatsBoy12]

1. Brady went 14-1 when he came back. Jimmy was not doing that. And that directly resulted in a SB. You should also remember that Brady was the 2nd best QB after the MVP that year and people legitimately felt Brady would have been MVP without the suspension.

2. You can’t compare the Colts situation. Cassel inherited a 16-0 team. The Colts QB inherited a 10-6 team. Cassel is still in the league as a viable back up and proved he could have a good year in KC. The Colts had a washed up old guy who was done and Painter who was the drizzling you know what. Both were quickly out of the league. So we started 6 games better and had a viable back up. Two advantages over the Colts. Plus the schedule difference which was in our favor. The Colts had a net loss of 8 games we had a net loss of 6. You had a 2 game difference there. They didn’t start even. So I would say some combo of a better QB, Belichick over Caldwell, the extremely weak schedule all contributed to the 2 game net advantage we had

Thank you. I really wasn't trying to break it down because you're not dealing with someone who is trying to understand. Rather, it's someone who has dug his heels in and will argue in the face of any factual evidence. I'm glad you decided to break it down instead. He'll still argue though.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

IN 2018, Brady's QB rating was 97.7. His TD:INT ratio was 29:11. He led his team to a SB win.

Yes, and we all know they won the SB in 2018 mainly because of the defense. One touchdown drive in the SB...

2017 - 1st in yards, 3rd in TDS, 5th completion percentage, 3rd QBR

2018 - 7th in yards, 10th in TDS, 18th completion percentage, 9th QBR (2 TDS, 3 INTs in the playoffs)

2019 - 7th in yards, 13th in TDs, 27th in completion percentage, 18th in QBR

 

[Boomer B]

thumbs down and disagree buttons needed....but the poster is right, Brady wasn't great last year or in 2018. His last best year was 2017. It's possible Bill saw a decline during that time period that the rest of us can't see. I mean, he only coached him for 20 years...

Like Deus posted, 2018 Brady had very good numbers and won the SB. 2019 he had a revolving door on the OL, no TE’s, and a piss poor group of WRs outside of a banged up Edelman.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Yes, and we all know they won the SB in 2018 mainly because of the defense. One touchdown drive in the SB...

2017 - 1st in yards, 3rd in TDS, 5th completion percentage, 3rd QBR

2018 - 7th in yards, 10th in TDS, 18th completion percentage, 9th QBR (2 TDS, 3 INTs in the playoffs)

2019 - 7th in yards, 13th in TDs, 27th in completion percentage, 18th in QBR

So are we going to ignore the other factors? No disrespect, but these numbers are only half the story. Why are people doing this?

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, and we all know they won the SB in 2018 mainly because of the defense. One touchdown drive in the SB...

If you're looking to play the "one game" angle,

41-28 versus the Chargers (34-44, 343, 106.5 rating)


No Brady, no SB.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So are we going to ignore the other factors? No disrespect, but these numbers are only half the story. Why are people doing this?

If you're looking to play the "one game" angle,

41-28 versus the Chargers (34-44, 343, 106.5 rating)


No Brady, no SB.

He wasn't bad in 2018 and was good enough to win the SB, just not great, as I said in my earlier post. You can blame a variety of factors, but the numbers were definitely down from 2017.

 

[Deus Irae]

He wasn't bad in 2018 and was good enough to win the SB, just not great, as I said in my earlier post. You can blame a variety of factors, but the numbers were definitely down from 2017.

Numbers being up or down are not a 1:1 measure of greatness, but his 2018 numbers were fine. Noting they were down from 2017 is largely meaningless, for multiple reasons, including the fact that 2017 was an MVP season. Context a/k/a "a variety of factors" is essential to take into account.

For example, in 2018, Brady's 97.7 QB rating was 12th in the league. But, had he put up that number in the 2017 season, it would have been 8th.

 

[Steve102]

I can see that, with everything Tom accomplished, it would absolutely grate on him that Bill would use the Johnny Foxboro chit. I can also see that Bill's methods worked for 20 years, why on God's green earth would he change for anyone? Knowing what we know now, I am shocked we got two more SB's out of it after Philly.

I suspect this is the first of many books we will want to consider must reading.

 

[sb1]

The next two years of football are going to be so enjoyable watching Belichik return back to his Cleveland form. Will he be canned if the team sucks the next two years? Brady made this guy and this team and it's going to be fun watching the homers digest their medicine. And let us not forget Jimmy G choking a lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl resulting in a bitter loss. He was not "The Answer" either. You think Brady would've lost a two score lead in the Super Bowl?! Haha.

No medicine here, what Tompa Boy does has no relevance to me unless his team can help mine on the schedule.

If you're going to mock JG for blowing a 2 score lead, I guess you forgot Brady was one Dee Ford offside from doing the same thing in the AFC Championship game the year before. I do remember Tompa Boy scoffing at the very notion his team would only score 17 points in a Super Bowl....right before his team scored 14. Personally I think blowing a 2 score lead is preferable to putting your foot in your mouth like that- or in this case having your foot shoved down your throat.

 

[sb1]

1. Brady went 14-1 when he came back. Jimmy was not doing that. And that directly resulted in a SB. You should also remember that Brady was the 2nd best QB after the MVP that year and people legitimately felt Brady would have been MVP without the suspension.

Still 3-1 with JG and Brissett. W-L doesn't lie. That was a product of good coaching. So why couldn't JG take the team to a deep playoff run.

2. You can’t compare the Colts situation. Cassel inherited a 16-0 team. The Colts QB inherited a 10-6 team. Cassel is still in the league as a viable back up and proved he could have a good year in KC. The Colts had a washed up old guy who was done and Painter who was the drizzling you know what. Both were quickly out of the league. So we started 6 games better and had a viable back up. Two advantages over the Colts. Plus the schedule difference which was in our favor. The Colts had a net loss of 8 games we had a net loss of 6. You had a 2 game difference there. They didn’t start even. So I would say some combo of a better QB, Belichick over Caldwell, the extremely weak schedule all contributed to the 2 game net advantage we had

I'd say it's more like Belichick a mile and a half over Caldwell being the most important factor. That's what a great coach can do - take a team that has no business contending (and remember, the Pats were not a contender once they lost Brady - their defense was dreadful) and make them contend. I have no doubt the Colts would have done a lot better than 2-14 if Belichick was there. No doubt at all. Also I wouldn't have put Cassel on that much of a pedestal over Kerry Collins or Orlovsky either coming out of preseason - he was a cut candidate and then he turned him into a serviceable QB. Again, good coaching was the difference.

 

[sb1]

IN 2018, Brady's QB rating was 97.7. His TD:INT ratio was 29:11. He led his team to a SB win.

They also had a running game in the last few games of the season and through the playoffs that I would have put right up there with the Ravens last year. They were money in the red zone. No team had an answer for it. Not sure if I would use the term "he led" with that in mind, not to mention the defense.

 

[sb1]

So are we going to ignore the other factors? No disrespect, but these numbers are only half the story. Why are people doing this?

Numbers don't lie, even if you don't like what they're saying.

 

[sb1]

If you're looking to play the "one game" angle,

41-28 versus the Chargers (34-44, 343, 106.5 rating)


No Brady, no SB.

Same statement can be made about the defense and especially running game.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

They also had a running game in the last few games of the season and through the playoffs that I would have put right up there with the Ravens last year. They were money in the red zone. No team had an answer for it. Not sure if I would use the term "he led" with that in mind, not to mention the defense.

He was certainly better than Peyton was when he won in 2015, but nothing like his 2016 or 2017 seasons. I have to wonder whether Brady's thumb injury, which we now know was much worse than reported, affected him in 2018 and/or 2019. Based off of the Benedict book, the Doctor had never seen anything like it.