Zo believes Stid will start

[PatriotsReign]

Jarrett Stidham (Not Cam Newton) Will Start For Patriots, Says Scott Zolak

If Zo is saying this it’s worth listening to... I know there are no guarantees with Cam but I can’t see how it’s such a done deal for JS4 either.

I wouldn’t think Pats fans care whether it’s Cam or Stidham that’s starts. I know I don’t care

We just care about results

 

[PatriotsReign]

Only in Boston


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That makes no sense. Did you notice all the offers Cam got?

Can you lay out for us what you’re implying???

We all know you can’t and won’t reply

 

[Brandon_Cox]

What does Felger think?

Who is Felger? Not making a joke. I have no clue who he is (I live in Atlanta).

 

[IllegalContact]

Who is Felger? Not making a joke. I have no clue who he is (I live in Atlanta).

he shares a room with Mazz......you'll have to look it up

 

[Patriot Missile]

Watch Hoyer win the job and this place goes nuts.

 

[Uptown]

You are being hoodwinked by Newton throwing a much, much higher proportion of dump offs to mccaffrey that mcc made plays out of. The change in numbers was the end not the qb.
That said, if newton is willing, and able to run like he did early in his career, he can create passing game success with his running. If not you have a poor passer trying to be a pocket passer and he will struggle mightily.
With his legs, making plays running and buying time for coverage to break down, he can be an effective QB, without them he’s just not going to be good.

Not hoodwinked at all. Speaking facts on what actually transpired. Once he was in a system that helped him become more efficient, he flourished. He was always an effective passer on short/intermediate throws; it was the deep throws that he struggled with for the most part. Not arm strength, but accuracy. He may not be Cam (athletically) of 2011-2018, but he doesn’t have to be. He just needs to be enough of a threat to keep defenses honest. Lastly, up until about 2017, Cam was playing with mostly bigger possession receivers (LaFell, Funchess, Benjamin, Cotchery) or speed receivers (Corey Brown, Ginn Jr, Moore) as opposed to precision route runners which resulted in throwing many 50/50 balls; hence his completion percentage. As I mentioned earlier, he (should) flourish in our system with short/intermediate throws and the occasional deep shot. This will allow for a lot of 3rd & shorts, where he’ll have the option to utilize his legs to convert between the 20s & the red zone. That’s his bread & butter.

 

[goheels22002]

What does Felger think?

You're not allowed to use the words "Felger" and "think" in the same sentence on this board.

 

[Ring 6]

Not hoodwinked at all. Speaking facts on what actually transpired. Once he was in a system that helped him become more efficient, he flourished. He was always an effective passer on short/intermediate throws; it was the deep throws that he struggled with for the most part. Not arm strength, but accuracy. He may not be Cam (athletically) of 2011-2018, but he doesn’t have to be. He just needs to be enough of a threat to keep defenses honest. Lastly, up until about 2017, Cam was playing with mostly bigger possession receivers (LaFell, Funchess, Benjamin, Cotchery) or speed receivers (Corey Brown, Ginn Jr, Moore) as opposed to precision route runners which resulted in throwing many 50/50 balls; hence his completion percentage. As I mentioned earlier, he (should) flourish in our system with short/intermediate throws and the occasional deep shot. This will allow for a lot of 3rd & shorts, where he’ll have the option to utilize his legs to convert between the 20s & the red zone. That’s his bread & butter.

Yeah we will have to disagree. I see an inaccurate qb who isn’t real comfortable in the pocket who made his stats look prettier by doing 100 long handoffs that counted as passes to an electric rac guy.
Ultimately it wasn’t really a more productive offense than the ones he led with his typical completion percentage in the upper 50s.
He is what he is, and if he can go back to being mobile and effective with his legs he can be an ok qb, and we can scheme to thise strengths but if you ask him to run the brady offense we will be seeing Stidham by Halloween.

 

[luuked]

I watched the All or Nothing doc on the Panthers 2018 season, and it got to a point where Cam could not throw. Hopefully he is strong and healthy.

Tends to happen when you unexpectedly get whacked into the shoulder by a free rusher. It is not like he blew his arm halfway through the season by throwing the ball.

 

[Uptown]

Yeah we will have to disagree. I see an inaccurate qb who isn’t real comfortable in the pocket who made his stats look prettier by doing 100 long handoffs that counted as passes to an electric rac guy.
Ultimately it wasn’t really a more productive offense than the ones he led with his typical completion percentage in the upper 50s.
He is what he is, and if he can go back to being mobile and effective with his legs he can be an ok qb, and we can scheme to thise strengths but if you ask him to run the brady offense we will be seeing Stidham by Halloween.

Cool, but I think you’re undervaluing the Josh & Bill component. Coaching matters..

 

[captain stone]

I wouldn’t think Pats fans care whether it’s Cam or Stidham that’s starts. I know I don’t care

We just care about results

The one possible drawback to having Cam start ahead of Stid is that we still might not be any closer to finding our QB of the Future...

 

[brdmaverick]

We've been spoiled with Brady in that with the exception of one year, he hasn't had to miss start for health reasons.

The reality is that most quarterbacks don't play 16 games.

As such, I think it's conceivable that we'll see both players start a game this season for one reason or another.

CAM will probably start, but with his style of play and injury history I wouldn't be surprised if he missed some time and we had to rely on Stid.

 

[brdmaverick]

The one possible drawback to having Cam start ahead of Stid is that we still might not be any closer to finding our QB of the Future...

Trust me, I'm glad they got Cam, but I agree with your sentiment.

If you start Stid it actually was setup well win or lose.

If Stid plays great then he's proven to be 'the guy', but if he stinks then he sets up the team to get a good pick to get 'the guy'.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I am reasonably sure Cam will end up as the starter this year but this shock that anyone dare suggest Stidham will start is over the top

I would be shocked. I haven't seen anything from stidham that suggests he is even half the QB cam is when cam is healthy. So, going by what I know, I would be shocked. Maybe he's doing great things behind the scenes but if he was showing that much promise I doubt cam would even be here. Just my opinion. Cam ain't here to be the backup and the pats didn't bring him in to be the backup either. Of course he still has to prove it, but I think a healthy cam is vastly superior to stidham just based off what I've seen from both QB's thus far.

 

[Triumph]

You are being hoodwinked by Newton throwing a much, much higher proportion of dump offs to mccaffrey that mcc made plays out of. The change in numbers was the end not the qb.

You unwittingly explained why Newton is a fit in NE and why he will start.

2018 Mcaferty 107 receptions - 867 yards - 5 TDs - 8.1 yards per reception. Christian McCaffrey Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2018 White 87 receptions - 751 yards - 7 YDs - 8.6 yards per reception. James White Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady won 6 rings dumping off to guys like Edelman and White and Vereen and Faulk.

That said, if newton is willing, and able to run like he did early in his career, he can create passing game success with his running. If not you have a poor passer trying to be a pocket passer and he will struggle mightily.
With his legs, making plays running and buying time for coverage to break down, he can be an effective QB, without them he’s just not going to be good.

Newton is not in NE to run around like the old days after a lis franc injury.

Not the Pats style.

 

[Lee144]

Just my opinion. Cam ain't here to be the backup and the pats didn't bring him in to be the backup either. Of course he still has to prove it

I agree with this part of your statement. He wasn’t brought in to be a backup. He has to beat out Stidham by a significant margin and if he doesn’t, he will be gone before the end of preseason. The other piece of this is that, my opinion, the QB situation is only being considered for this year from the stand point of draft capitol and salary cap space available to make a better (long term) move after the season. By that I’m not talking about tanking or anything like that but simply, who will win the most games this season . Just my opinion but Newton isn’t long term material and the move to bring Newton here could be viewed that the team doesn’t think Stidham is long term material yet either.

 

[Ring 6]

Cool, but I think you’re undervaluing the Josh & Bill component. Coaching matters..

So does ability.

 

[Ring 6]

You unwittingly explained why Newton is a fit in NE and why he will start.

2018 Mcaferty 107 receptions - 867 yards - 5 TDs - 8.1 yards per reception. Christian McCaffrey Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2018 White 87 receptions - 751 yards - 7 YDs - 8.6 yards per reception. James White Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady won 6 rings dumping off to guys like Edelman and White and Vereen and Faulk.

No because when you strip those away brady is still an accurate passer who successfully runs an effective offense.
The point being made was that Newton’s inaccuracy as a passer was solved by putting him in a new offense, and the fact is they just added a bunch of 90% completion dump offs to skew the numbers and the offense was no more effective.

Newton is not in NE to run around like the old days after a lis franc injury.

Not the Pats style.

Then he ran he will fail because without that mobility and running threat, he just isn’t a good qb.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Zo is speculating and there should be nothing inferred from this.

 

[Uptown]

So does ability.

Do us all a favor and name an NFL MVP without “ability”...we’ll wait..