NFL to propose to improve a team's draft position if it hires a person of color as HC or GM

[FreeTedWilliams]

What if the person identifies as a person of color? Do you still get the draft pick?

What percentage of blackness do you need to qualifiy for this beneift? Since we are talking 70s sitcoms..

Do you get the pick if you hire Jenny Willis, but don't get the pick if you hire Alan Willis? (See the JEffersons, if you don't get the references).

I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of all of this. Maybe the NFL should turn to the .0001 percent Indian for guidance.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They love to use the word racism with the narrow definition when it suits them, but if it a rule is going to help minorities, then it it racism.

There is no question the hiring practices in the NFL are not equitable. Same reason women make less than men.

But I don't think that's racism

 

[lancerman]

special treatment based on skin color?

It’s literally the definition of racism

It’s literally not

 

[lancerman]

Marvin Lewis better than Paul Brown wtf?

even putting lewis above Gregg and wyche is laughable

Paul Brown has less winning seasons with the Bengals, less playoff appearances with the Bengals, and went 0-3 in the playoffs with the Bengals. Yeah Paul Brown was great with the Browns. Not the Bengals. Not even close. You’r only argument is his name.

Gregg went 2-2 in winning seasons and yes while he made a SB he only won playoff games in one season out of 4 and only won 2 games

Wyche only took them to the playoffs twice and like Gregg he only won 2 games in the playoffs in one year. He also had a loading record with the Bengals.

In fact all these coaches were around .500 with the team.

Lewis coaches their longest, had the most winning seasons and the most playoff appearances.

And unlike Wyche and Gregg, Lewis coached when the AFC didn’t suck and he coached when the Steelers and Ravens were in constant Super Bowl contention

 

[borg]

Regarding the original topic, substitute the word “white” for the word “black” and the “this rule proposal isn’t racist” proponents would be apocalyptic

 

[lancerman]

I'm making up that 31 year old NFL players don't run as well as their 22 year old selves? Really?

Once again...he's a 59% passer for his career. 59% is bad.

If my arguments are bad, why isn't he on a roster?

You said he couldn’t run anymore. The last time Cam played he ran for nearly .500 yards. and was fine as a runner. This is an example of you using a blanket statement that doesn’t prove anything about the individual we are talking about. In general QB’s over 40 suck. That’s a fact. We kept Tom Brady 3 years in his 40’s.

Yes he averages 59. Eli Manning who had a fine career averaged a few decimal points higher. Andy Dalton got a job with a 62 average passer rating. It’s also a classic case of holding hard to a single stat. Brian Hoyer has a 59% passer rating. There isn’t an intelligent football fan on Earth that would say Cam and Hoyer are in the same league.

Physically Cam was a top 2-3 QB on the market depending on how you felt about Rivers last season. And only Brady has a higher ceiling but he’s also 43 compared to Cam’s 31.

And again restating the outcome isn’t an argument.

Obviously you just don’t like Cam because you started by saying he can’t pass anymore when his last passing year was solid. You said he could no longer run, when the last time he played he could run as good as any QB in the league. You are holding him to an injury year. You are holding him to a completion percentage (not a great stat to begin with) when someone with a 59% completion percentage got a job.

Tom Brady was the only QB on the market with a higher ceiling than Cam. Brady is also over a decade older and his last two seasons were statistically a drop for him. He had a job before he ever even hit the market

 

[fightingirish595]

Paul Brown has less winning seasons with the Bengals, less playoff appearances with the Bengals, and went 0-3 in the playoffs with the Bengals. Yeah Paul Brown was great with the Browns. Not the Bengals. Not even close. You’r only argument is his name.

Gregg went 2-2 in winning seasons and yes while he made a SB he only won playoff games in one season out of 4 and only won 2 games

Wyche only took them to the playoffs twice and like Gregg he only won 2 games in the playoffs in one year. He also had a loading record with the Bengals.

In fact all these coaches were around .500 with the team.

Lewis coaches their longest, had the most winning seasons and the most playoff appearances.

And unlike Wyche and Gregg, Lewis coached when the AFC didn’t suck and he coached when the Steelers and Ravens were in constant Super Bowl contention

are you actually doubling down on this? Paul Brown started the franchise from what exactly? They were in the playoffs by their 3rd season despite losing their starter. Ever see the nfl top 10 one hit wonders? One of those is Greg cook. He got hurt which led to the creation of the west coast offense.

Paul Brown did a phenomenal job getting that franchise off the ground.

 

[lancerman]

are you actually doubling down on this? Paul Brown started the franchise from what exactly? They were in the playoffs by their 3rd season despite losing their starter. Ever see the nfl top 10 one hit wonders? One of those is Greg cook. He got hurt which led to the creation of the west coast offense.

Paul Brown did a phenomenal job getting that franchise off the ground.

That’s great. And Marvin Lewis still won the most games in franchise history and took them to the playoffs the most.

The only argument you have is Paul Browns last name and career in Cleveland and that Gregg and Wyche in a much easier AFC had a single year a piece where they won two playoff games.

Oh and look what happened as soon as Lewis left..... they picked first on the draft.

 

[lancerman]

Regarding the original topic, substitute the word “white” for the word “black” and the “this rule proposal isn’t racist” proponents would be apocalyptic

Well yeah.... but that has more to do with the fact that the vast majority of coaches are white and they don’t need more incentives to get the jobs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The wage gap is a myth. When you control for variables, the gap disappears

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So you are saying there is a gap...?

 

[fightingirish595]

That’s great. And Marvin Lewis still won the most games in franchise history and took them to the playoffs the most.

The only argument you have is Paul Browns last name and career in Cleveland and that Gregg and Wyche in a much easier AFC had a single year a piece where they won two playoff games.

Oh and look what happened as soon as Lewis left..... they picked first on the draft.

He coached 16 seasons for the team. At that point it’s basically just a volume stat when your talking about coaches who had about .500 records with the team.

and if you remove Browns first two seasons with Cincinnati, which is fair to do, his record is 48-36 which is a .571 winning percentage.

Either way Paul Brown has a .672 winning percentage and is a top 5 coach of all time. To say Marvin Lewis is the best coach in bengals history because he compiled wins (0 playoff wins) over 16 seasons is utter madness

 

[RobertWeathers]

2 cents. Not significant. Men typically work more hours during the week at their jobs and are more likely to ask for raises

there are laws in place to prevent gaps. If greedy companies and businesses could pay .80 cents (this is the number people commonly think of as being the actual gap, but it’s uncontrolled) on the dollar for women to do the same job as men, do you really think they wouldn’t? They legally can’t

can’t just take the total amount men earn and compare to the total amount women earn and not control for variables, and then claim a gap as some people do.

Your reasons and cases are accurate but there is an undeniable mathematical/financial gap.

 

[fightingirish595]

Your reasons and cases are accurate but there is an undeniable mathematical/financial gap.

Hang on...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Hang on...

It's fine. I'm not implying there is sexism going on (in some cases sure) but because of pregnancy, taking some time off to raise children, good ole boys network, etc women are paid less than men.

 

[lancerman]

He coached 16 seasons for the team. At that point it’s basically just a volume stat when your talking about coaches who had about .500 records with the team.

and if you remove Browns first two seasons with Cincinnati, which is fair to do, his record is 48-36 which is a .571 winning percentage.

Either way Paul Brown has a .672 winning percentage and is a top 5 coach of all time. To say Marvin Lewis is the best coach in bengals history because he compiled wins (0 playoff wins) over 16 seasons is utter madness

Why do you think he coached 16 seasons? His first 13 seasons he only had 3 losing records and 7 playoff appearances in a division where 3 SB’s, 4 SB appearances, and 6 conference titles appearances were by teams in his own division. No **** he got a huge sample size. He bright his team to the playoffs 5 years in a row and 6 out of 7 years where 5 times he had a double digit winning record.

Also you do realize Brown had a .760 win percentage during his 17 years with the Browns. If he retired with the Browns he would have the greatest win percentage in history. He’s barely top 20 because of his years with the Bengals.

So yeah are very clearly using his time in Cleveland to judge his time in Cincinnati

 

[Calhoun44]

Yeah, and then they will add a another rule saying you lose a draft pick if you fire a person of color. God, just let us be done with it and mandate that every hire has to be a person of color for the next 5 years.

I do like this idea, but maybe add that one woman needs to be in a coaching position too. I keep hearing that it doesn't matter if one has played the game or not, so that will make it easier to have a woman on the coaching staff.

 

[fightingirish595]

Why do you think he coached 16 seasons? His first 13 seasons he only had 3 losing records and 7 playoff appearances in a division where 3 SB’s, 4 SB appearances, and 6 conference titles appearances were by teams in his own division. No **** he got a huge sample size. He bright his team to the playoffs 5 years in a row and 6 out of 7 years where 5 times he had a double digit winning record.

Also you do realize Brown had a .760 win percentage during his 17 years with the Browns. If he retired with the Browns he would have the greatest win percentage in history. He’s barely top 20 because of his years with the Bengals.

So yeah are very clearly using his time in Cleveland to judge his time in Cincinnati

This is so mediocre for your first 8 seasons as a coach it’s hysterical.

you’re using 8-8 as an escape rope because they aren’t losing seasons

That’s less winning seasons than browns 8 years as head coach, and he founded the team and had to build it up. You can’t knock him for a tough couple of years.

Coaches have been fired from teams for never having a losing season. Hell it happened here.

 

[IllegalContact]

There is no question the hiring practices in the NFL are not equitable. Same reason women make less than men.

But I don't think that's racism

bigotry is more accurate

 

[IllegalContact]

The fact that he remains unemployed in a QB driven league is strong evidence of my assessment.

It is also a pass rusher driven league.....Jadeveon Clowney and Markus Golden are unemployed......therefore, they suck

It is also a CB driven league....Logan Ryan sucks because he is unemployed

 

[1960Pats]

It's fine. I'm not implying there is sexism going on (in some cases sure) but because of pregnancy, taking some time off to raise children, good ole boys network, etc women are paid less than men.

Jordan Peterson does a good job of discussing this subject. He makes a lot of sense.