NFL QB situations are sad

[lancerman]

After Goff and Wentz signed $30 plus million a year 4 year extensions after their 3rd year and then did little to justify the contract you would think other teams would take notice and slow their roll.

It seems Mahomes will get a $40 million a year extension this year.

It just doesn't make sense to me, what's the hurry.

A 1st round QB belongs to the team for 7 years why not wait longer to make sure injuries or poor play don't effect the value of a QB's next contract.

Can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can never justify lowballing Mahomes after Goff and Wentz got so much.

 

[jah]

A $30M QB in 2019 would account for 15.1% of the salary cap, which would easily be the highest percentage ever on a team to win a superbowl in the modern NFL.

Superbowl winning QBs by % of salary cap:
Year Name Cap %
1994 Young 13.10%
1995 Aikman 6.70%
1996 Favre 10.20%
1997 Elway 5.20%
1998 Elway 5.00%
1999 Warner 1.30%
2000 Dilfer 1.60%
2001 Brady 0.47%
2002 Johnson 9.60%
2003 Brady 4.40%
2004 Brady 6.30%
2005 Roethlisberger 4.90%
2006 P. Manning 10.40%
2007 E. Manning 9.20%
2008 Roethlisberger 6.80%
2009 Brees 8.30%
2011 E. Manning 11.70%
2012 Flacco 6.60%
2013 Wilson 0.56%
2014 Brady 10.64%
2015 P. Manning 11.66%
2016 Brady 8.62%
2017 Foles 0.91%
2018 Brady 11.3%
2019 Mahomes 2.7%

1994-2017 Source

Brady occupying two of those top 10 percentages, one as recently as 2018, should put an end to the "Brady has always played here at below market value" talk. It should, but it won't.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Just on an off note, how does the guy who traded up to take Trubisky over both Mahomes and Watson still have a job?

Should be a very tough pill to swallow for the owner. Even if they had bypassed Mahomes and snagged Watson, there'd be much more hope...

Bears had the cast to contend - and they blew it.

49ers also blew it. They were in dire need of a QB, but slept on all of them and took Soloman Thomas of all people. Lynch/Shanny recovered with Jimmy G, but I'm sure they are shaking their heads on not taking Watson or Mahomes.

 

[TheRainMaker]

My philosophy on paying QB's: If you're not a game changing-once in a generational type player, you aren't getting paid top dollar.

 

[farn]

My philosophy on paying QB's: If you're not a game changing-once in a generational type player, you aren't getting paid top dollar.

I agree with your philosophy. Many league GMs (luckily) don’t and they pay for it, literally & figuratively.

 

[borg]

Brady occupying two of those top 10 percentages, one as recently as 2018, should put an end to the "Brady has always played here at below market value" talk. It should, but it won't.

Does it?
A list of all QB salaries should be used to define Brady’s salary rank, not a list of one QB who won the final playoff game.

 

[Nehalem]

All this talk about Mahomes getting this huge contract extension... are you all forgetting that KC has a whole $177.00 in cap space?

I heard the Patriots have $100m+ in cap space next year

 

[jah]

Does it?
A list of all QB salaries should be used to define Brady’s salary rank, not a list of one QB who won the final playoff game.

I think it's pretty safe to conclude from just that list that if you account for 10% or more of the salary cap, you're paid pretty damn high. Not like Peyton's numbers were much higher, and he's got no reputation for playing at a discount.

 

[varjao]

I'd be very interested in seeing a team refuse to pay QB money and go with rookie contract QBs. In fact I wonder if the Patriots might be thinking along those lines. Sure, there's a lot of risk, but it's near impossible to get a real advantage over other teams when your QB makes $35M. We've seen all of these franchises fall into mediocrity, or even below mediocrity, despite having a franchise QB.

the cowboys should do it

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

the cowboys should do it

1000%

Seems that this is a PERFECT situation where a team should do this. You have a guy who is not a superstar, maybe not even a star, who will get you about 9-7/10-6 before getting his payday. When he finally gets paid, imagine what this record will be.

I’d roll the dice on a draft pick and hope to hit big. Beats the inevitable 6-7 win seasons that will happen if you pay Dak $35M.

The idea that you must pay a star that much money seems to be borrowed from the NBA and then reinforced through Brady and Manning. But by and large it’s not a championship winning strategy. It’s more likely to give the team a face and make them relevant but not really contend.

Again, only if it’s a real stud like Mahomes, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, etc.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

I'd be very interested in seeing a team refuse to pay QB money and go with rookie contract QBs. In fact I wonder if the Patriots might be thinking along those lines. Sure, there's a lot of risk, but it's near impossible to get a real advantage over other teams when your QB makes $35M. We've seen all of these franchises fall into mediocrity, or even below mediocrity, despite having a franchise QB.

This approach is also more likely to yield fruit if you churn through young quarterbacks 1-2 per draft. You'll be cutting or trading them each season with this approach but can net decent players and save cap space on not only starting quarterbacks but also the backups.

The issue with this approach is not having a veteran leader either as a starter or backup to teach the younger players. I guess what you'd have to do is have a reasonably sized group of quarterback coaches preferably with past starting experience.

 

[Bill Lee]

I imagine giving him part of the team would be very much considered circumventing the cap, which is good news for us.

Apparently you can be given ownership stakes if they are cash equivalent value.

Think of the following when you evaluate Elway's business skills:

Rovell: How John Elway missed out on a fortune

 

[1960Pats]

Does it?
A list of all QB salaries should be used to define Brady’s salary rank, not a list of one QB who won the final playoff game.

Agree. If I wasn't so lazy I'd check to see where Brady ranked compared to the rest of the QB each season.

One very interesting thing I noticed about that list is that Brady's % in 2018 was greater than his total % in 01, 03 and 04 combined. Brady was a real bargain in the early days.

 

[Triumph]

QBs in the 2020 Super Bowl conversation.

NFC

Brady - If the GOAT can gel with his new teammates there's no reason why Brady cant have # 7.
Brees - The past 2 seasons Brees throwing arm has faded. NO suffered injuries last year. Kamara needs to be healthy.
Wilson - RW is prone to a bad game and he had a few in 2019, but love his chances to get back to a Super Bowl.
Rodgers - He seems due, but I just have that MEH feeling about GB. Maybe they put it all together.

I dont see any other guys. Not sold on Ryan, Jimmy, Wentz, Goff

AFC

Mahomes - His Super Bowl trip to lose
Big Ben - Maybe has 1 more Super Bowl in him. Ben is still good enough.
Watson - Good enough to make the post season, but Id be shocked to see him win a Super Bowl.
Jackson - Flashy, but I believe his days are numbered. Rushing QBs get too busted up in the NFL. 1 good hit is all its going to take.

 

[1960Pats]

I think it's pretty safe to conclude from just that list that if you account for 10% or more of the salary cap, you're paid pretty damn high. Not like Peyton's numbers were much higher, and he's got no reputation for playing at a discount.

PEDton has that reputation because he was paid more most years, if not every year. That includes his record nine one and done playoffs.

Brady is also on that list six times, compared to Pedton's two. That alone made him worth his salary.

Here's another fun fact. If you took the average of their %'s on that list, Brady averages out to 6.96 while Pedton comes out at 11.03. Even Eli is much higher than TB at 10.46.

I'm not saying that Brady was taking discounts, but I think he averaged less than Archie's boys.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Except for Mahomes, I wouldn't pay any QB over 30m, and I'd want to wait a little longer even on him. The big money just leaves a team too thin, and overworked, overstretched... which means more injuries... and now in 17 games to boot.

Yea, the KC offense is a totally different animal when Tyreek Hill is out with injury or suspended for beating his kids/threatening his baby mamma

I guess the only logical reason they would want to rush getting him under contract is because the salaries keep inflating year after year

 

[bresna]

Brady is still 6.8% of the Patriots cap in 2020.

That puts him at #3 on the Patriots cap hits for 2020.

 

[mgteich]

A $30M QB in 2019 would account for 15.1% of the salary cap, which would easily be the highest percentage ever on a team to win a superbowl in the modern NFL.

Superbowl winning QBs by % of salary cap:
Year Name Cap %
1994 Young 13.10%
1995 Aikman 6.70%
1996 Favre 10.20%
1997 Elway 5.20%
1998 Elway 5.00%
1999 Warner 1.30%
2000 Dilfer 1.60%
2001 Brady 0.47%
2002 Johnson 9.60%
2003 Brady 4.40%
2004 Brady 6.30%
2005 Roethlisberger 4.90%
2006 P. Manning 10.40%
2007 E. Manning 9.20%
2008 Roethlisberger 6.80%
2009 Brees 8.30%
2011 E. Manning 11.70%
2012 Flacco 6.60%
2013 Wilson 0.56%
2014 Brady 10.64%
2015 P. Manning 11.66%
2016 Brady 8.62%
2017 Foles 0.91%
2018 Brady 11.3%
2019 Mahomes 2.7%

1994-2017 Source

So, the ONLY quarterbacks and take up at least 10% of their team's cap are Brady and Manning.